A few data on St Laurences which might give background: 1)From "Portrait of the Black Country" by Parsons summarized: St L built in 17th C and rebuilt in brick 1807. Rumours of earlier foundation not proven. Present Church 19th C with Tower and spire as late as 1907. Church yard dedicated as Garden of Rest in 1954. 2) ibid: 1832 Cholera outbreak. Parsons makes no specific references to St Laurences but notes 692 deaths Bilston, 49 ommitted from registers and buries elae where, 404 deaths Tipton,Dudley Church Yards full and bodies taken to Netherend. No data for Darlaston. One might conclude that two issues render the gravestone situation as probably incapable detailed analysis: a) The rebuilding of the church, b) the chaos that swept the area in the 1832 and later Cholera epidemic. Tough times! Cheers Roger Thompson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Albert E Purcell Sent: 20 June 2009 22:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [Black Country] Re-St Lawrence Church Darlaston Hi Malcolm, yes, there are still some very old gravestone around the the church. Walsall History Centre my have some details. Regards, Albert. Researching PURCELL Darlaston, Wednesbury and Tamworth > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:13:15 +1000 > From: "Malcolm Platt-Grigg" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Unidentified Photos > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi List, > Did St.Lawrence, Darlaston have it's own graveyard? > I have a burial record for a Samuel Platt from 1828 and was wondering if he > would have been buried at the church or at another cemetery. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Regards > Malcolm. > UK Transcriptions website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ > My personal website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~plattgrigg/index.html > Researching GRIGG Halesowen, Dudley, Harborne, Birmingham. > PLATT Darlaston, Wednesbury, Birmingham. ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Malcolm, yes, there are still some very old gravestone around the the church. Walsall History Centre my have some details. Regards, Albert. Researching PURCELL Darlaston, Wednesbury and Tamworth > Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:13:15 +1000 > From: "Malcolm Platt-Grigg" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Unidentified Photos > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi List, > Did St.Lawrence, Darlaston have it's own graveyard? > I have a burial record for a Samuel Platt from 1828 and was wondering if he > would have been buried at the church or at another cemetery. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Regards > Malcolm. > UK Transcriptions website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ > My personal website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~plattgrigg/index.html > Researching GRIGG Halesowen, Dudley, Harborne, Birmingham. > PLATT Darlaston, Wednesbury, Birmingham.

Thanks very much Chris, that's the burial for sure. I was hoping I could find where he's buried to see if there's any further info, eg wife, other family members, etc. I think he is the father of my Samuel Platt, born 1780 in Market Drayton. The family moved to Darlaston around 1795. My apologies for using the wrong subject header, pressed "reply" instead of new message. Malcolm. UK Transcriptions website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ My personal website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~plattgrigg/index.html Researching GRIGG Halesowen, Dudley, Harborne, Birmingham. PLATT Darlaston, Wednesbury, Birmingham. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, 20 June 2009 7:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Unidentified Photos > > Hi Malcolm, > Is this him. > St Lawrences Darlaston > Samuel Platt, 18 Jun 1828 of Cock St Darlaston, aged 81yrs > > Best Wishes > Chris Smith

Hi List, Did St.Lawrence, Darlaston have it's own graveyard? I have a burial record for a Samuel Platt from 1828 and was wondering if he would have been buried at the church or at another cemetery. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Malcolm. UK Transcriptions website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ My personal website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~plattgrigg/index.html Researching GRIGG Halesowen, Dudley, Harborne, Birmingham. PLATT Darlaston, Wednesbury, Birmingham.

Graham Hawker wrote: > I have a similar page of unidentified photos at: > http://www.connectedglobe.com/family/web/unknowns/index.htm > >>I've had this idea for some time. I have a web site and several photos >>from my grandmother's photo album of people I can't identify These >>photos I'd estimate were taken in the 1890s when my grandmother was in >>her 20's. > Wonderful presentation Graham, of your 'unknowns' I really enjoyed having a look, especially the one that said, "We think she looks very much like Alice Hawker now that we have looked at your photo of Alice" This made me think of when I visited my relatives at Laney Green, Shareshill's Holly's Farm Market on the old Wolverhampton Road a couple years ago. We all had never met before but my 2nd cousin said Ann Murphy said, "You really have the appearance of our PACEs" and then we went to the Littleton Arms in Penkridge for a wonderful dinner, etc. In one of your photos, CARTLIDGE is mentioned (Gosport,Hampshire) If it's of any help at http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/uk/whit.htm#cart I have: RICHARD PACE b 30 Nov 1817 TILSTOCK 1881 Shoemaker WOLSTANTON, Staffs. click - 1841 marriage record - 1901 census shows RICHARD living in household of daughter ANN and husband JOHN HASSALL click - 1881 census status - use BACK button to return +1 MARY HAMLET - b 18 Apr 1816 WEM, Sal - m 10 Jul 1841 WHITCHURCH - died 28 Feb 1853 TUNSTALL Staffs of Typhus - RICHARD remarried HANNAH CARTLEDGE +2 HANNAH CARTLEDGE - b 1809 MINSHULL VERNON Cheshire - widow (LEE or LEA) - 2nd wife of Richard - m 25/6/1854 Ph CHESTERTON Staffordshire - d 20/11/1881 TUNSTALL, Staffordshire NOTE - Mary HAMLET died Feb 1853 TUNSTALL Staffs (Typhus) - Richard remarried Hannah CARTLEDGE Cheers, Gord Pace in Ontario

In message <mailman.14.1245394803.31[email protected]>, [email protected] writes >I've had this idea for some time. I have a web site and several photos >from my grandmother's photo album of people I can't identify These >photos I'd estimate were taken in the 1890s when my grandmother was in >her 20's. I have a similar page of unidentified photos at: http://www.connectedglobe.com/family/web/unknowns/index.htm -- Graham Hawker | People remember the messenger Marbella Tel/Fax: +34-95-2908182 | But forget the message. [email protected] |

Angela wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I have a photo of a young man in British WW2 uniform which I found in > the belongings my mother left me. I have no idea who he is and there > isn't any clue on the reverse side either, no name, no date. The young > man could have been someone my mother was seeing at the time, at least > this is the only possible explanation I have been able to come up with. > > My mother, Violet Gould, was born in Oldbury in 1921 and during WW2 she > was still living with her parents at *Brookfields Road, Oldbury*. Having > said this and if my hunch is right, this young man may have been from > that area as well. This would mean someone of you might recognize him, I > very much hope so anyway.... > > I don't think we have a standard to insert images in messages we send to > this mailing list, but if anyone thinks they would like to have a go and > have a look at him and maybe even possibly give him a name which I could > check, I would be most grateful. I haven't a real hope of tracing him, > but I would like to have a go, if only to find out if anyone recognizes > the uniform. > > Last year or so I inquired at The Worcestershire and Sherwood > Foresters Regiment and they were able to tell me the following about his > uniform: > > *HIS UNIFORM:* > 1. he is wearing an *early WW2 battle dress,* > 2. he is wearing *two stripes*, so he would be a *corporal, * > 3. he is *possibly an artillery man* -on account of him showing a > *lanyard*-, > 4. he is showing a little bit of his shoulder flash and he _may_ have > belonged to the *Reconnaisance Corps*.** > > *HIS FACIAL FEATURES:* > 1. thick wavy dark hair combed from the left side to the right of his > head, > 2. smallish eyes set in a longish oval face (presume he could have been > a tall man), > 3. rather pronounced ears, and > 4. a delicate smile, having thin lips. > > Any info or help is welcome, many thanks in advance, > /Angela/ > The Netherlands Hello Angela, If you can get your photo of the young man scanned (jpg) to a size of under 50 kby, and send it to me in an attachment, I could post the photo on a web page on my website then people could be directed to look at it. I've had this idea for some time. I have a web site and several photos from my grandmother's photo album of people I can't identify These photos I'd estimate were taken in the 1890s when my grandmother was in her 20's. I like this idea. Gord Pace in Ontario Canada http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/

Hi All Been asked to see if anyone has any info on this church or old pictures Sadly the church is closing down at the end of this month and I believe they are doing a party and they are trying to find any old pictures or history of the church Please contact me if anyone has any info Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

Hi All Tried to find Great Grandad's grave today at Stourbridge Cemetery - I had the grave reference number & the section, which was S. That seemed to be the only section in the cemetery with virtually no headstones / urns etc. Does anyone know why? Could it have been for paupers burials? Needless to say, I didn't locate the grave - & the lack of headstones meant I couldn't work out the plot numbers of any nearby burials to give me some idea of where it was likely to be. I'm sure someone out there will know the answer. Thanks Steph Researching mainly in Cradley, Halesowen & Rowley Regis including Attwood, Barnsley, Bayliss, Beasley, Bridgewater, Buck, Copestick, Cox, Crampton, Crumpton, Dunn, Fendall, Hampton, Harper, Harris, Hill, Hodgetts, Homer, Houghton, Ingram, Parsons, Pearson, Pound, Robinson, Southall, Southwell, Stokes, White, Worton http://www.stephrobinson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

Hi Nancy - I'll have a look when I go to the archives next week. Although, the baptism record won't hold as much information as a birth certificate. It will tell you the name of the child, parents names, sometimes it will give you an address or sometimes, just an area such as Coseley, and it will usually tell you the occupation of the father. Also, the date will be the baptism date and not the date of birth, although sometimes this is written in the record as well. Maggie ======================================== Message Received: Jun 14 2009, 01:49 PM From: "Nancy Averill" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: [Black Country] Bishop's Transcripts of Christ Church Coseley Hi, I am looking help in finding the Christening Records from the Bishop's Transcripts of Christ Church Coseley for: Christening Record: LEWIS JAMES, he was born May 30, 1850, Bloomfield, Tipton. His father was THOMAS JAMES and mother MARY (WELSH, HALL). The IGI has a Christening C037861, Date 06/16/1850 Coseley In Sedgley, Staffordshire, England. SARAH ANN JAMES, IGS has a Christening C037861, 3/20/1853, Coseley in Sedgley, Staffordshire, same parents as above. Marriage Record: THOMAS JAMES, Bloomfield to MARY ANN (WELSH) HALL, widow of Bloomfield. Do the Church records carry more information than the Certificates from the GRO? I have the marriage Certificate for THOMAS & MARY and Birth Certificate for LEWIS JAMES from the GRO. The GRO makes it easy to order certificates but the Dudley Archives does not do it by credit card so it makes it difficult to order the information. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Nancy Averill USA ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://thesaltfamily.tribalpages.com/ www.familytrails.net Researching : SALT, BARKLAM/BARTLAM, LOWE, JONES, RILEY, DEAN, SAUNDERS, BURBRIDGE, BURNS, BROWN, FOSTER, HUMPHRIES, STACKHOUSE, SCANLON, SHIRLEY, WEAVER, BENNETT

Hi,   I am looking help in finding the Christening Records from the Bishop's Transcripts of Christ Church Coseley for:   Christening Record: LEWIS JAMES, he was born May 30, 1850, Bloomfield, Tipton.  His father was THOMAS JAMES and mother MARY (WELSH, HALL). The IGI has a Christening C037861, Date 06/16/1850 Coseley In Sedgley, Staffordshire, England.   SARAH ANN JAMES, IGS has a Christening C037861,  3/20/1853, Coseley in Sedgley, Staffordshire, same parents as above.   Marriage Record: THOMAS JAMES, Bloomfield to MARY ANN (WELSH) HALL, widow of Bloomfield.   Do the Church records carry more information than the Certificates from the GRO?    I have the marriage Certificate for THOMAS & MARY and Birth Certificate for LEWIS JAMES from the GRO.   The GRO makes it easy to order certificates but the Dudley Archives does not do it by credit card so it makes it difficult to order the information.   Any help would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks, Nancy Averill USA

Hello Everyone, I have a photo of a young man in British WW2 uniform which I found in the belongings my mother left me. I have no idea who he is and there isn't any clue on the reverse side either, no name, no date. The young man could have been someone my mother was seeing at the time, at least this is the only possible explanation I have been able to come up with. My mother, Violet Gould, was born in Oldbury in 1921 and during WW2 she was still living with her parents at *Brookfields Road, Oldbury*. Having said this and if my hunch is right, this young man may have been from that area as well. This would mean someone of you might recognize him, I very much hope so anyway.... I don't think we have a standard to insert images in messages we send to this mailing list, but if anyone thinks they would like to have a go and have a look at him and maybe even possibly give him a name which I could check, I would be most grateful. I haven't a real hope of tracing him, but I would like to have a go, if only to find out if anyone recognizes the uniform. Last year or so I inquired at The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters Regiment and they were able to tell me the following about his uniform: *HIS UNIFORM:* 1. he is wearing an *early WW2 battle dress,* 2. he is wearing *two stripes*, so he would be a *corporal, * 3. he is *possibly an artillery man* -on account of him showing a *lanyard*-, 4. he is showing a little bit of his shoulder flash and he _may_ have belonged to the *Reconnaisance Corps*.** *HIS FACIAL FEATURES:* 1. thick wavy dark hair combed from the left side to the right of his head, 2. smallish eyes set in a longish oval face (presume he could have been a tall man), 3. rather pronounced ears, and 4. a delicate smile, having thin lips. Any info or help is welcome, many thanks in advance, /Angela/ The Netherlands

> > *From:* "Pete Lamberg" <[email protected]> > *To:* "Black Country" <[email protected]> > *Date:* Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:27:32 +0100 The traditional day for remembering one's ancestors is All Souls' Day (November 2nd). In some places I have worked on the European Mainland, families go to the cemeteries in the evening and put candles on the graves. Ron S

Just to say thankyou to everyone who replied-got lots to go on now. SANDRA HARPER

Just to say thankyou to everyone who replied-got lots to go on now.

This coming Saturday, we will be holding our Annual Open Day at the Shirehall, Shrewsbury (admission £3 on the door). A full array of stands/exhibitors/other Societies/information will be set out around the entrance lobby, foyer, upper landing and all side rooms, speakers in the Council Chamber this year will be Else Churchill 11AM & Dr Geoff Swinfield 2:15PM. Go to www.sfhs.org.uk/openday for more information. Graham WebMaster Shropshire FHS

Sandra: It's not at all uncommon to have the same person listed twice. It most often happens with a child staying at relatives, who's also listed with his parents. But there's lots of other possibilities: someone away travelling but also listed at home; families moving house listed at both addresses, etc. Accuracy depended on the instructions being followed exactly, but at a time when most people were illiterate that didn't always happen. At the end of the day, the census was compiled by people, and people are fallible. ATB Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra harper" <[email protected]> To: "rootsweb" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: [Black Country] 1841 > Can anybody tell me how accurate the 1841 census returns were and is it > possible to have one person listed in two places at the same time??? > Thankyou Sandra Harper > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]ootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can anybody tell me how accurate the 1841 census returns were and is it possible to have one person listed in two places at the same time??? Thankyou Sandra Harper

Would like to announce the findings of a poll held by my local BC Society, where we decided we would designate June 21st as Ancestor Day. We have other 'special days' we celebrate, so why not have an Ancestor Day. June the 21st is the longest day, a time when we can all reflect on our Ancestors lives and how their lives have affected ours. Please join in the spirit of this special day. Many thanks.

Hello listers, Just to let you know Dudley Archives are holding their Local History Open Day on Saturday 6th June, 10am - 3.30pm (in Mount Pleasant Street, Coseley). This has become an annual event and, like previous years, promises to be an interesting day out, with exhibits on local topics, as well as display stands from local and family history societies, local museums, and other individuals. I've been asked to put on my display about Dud Dudley and Abraham Darby's family links with Sedgley and Dudley again, in case anyone missed it last year (just not sure I've got time to update it now). Talks and behind the scenes tours of the Archives's strong-rooms are also part of the itinerary. It's also a good way of supporting our local archives, without which we'd be a bit scuppered. Carl