Well found. Interestingly, this accident doesn't appear in the pdf file covering major accidents 1867-71, so presumably less than 5 people were killed, which would seem to fit the description of the incident (below). There should be a piece in the local newspaper, however. Paul 2009/8/12 thebarmybs <[email protected]> > Mo > > You can search the Mining Database by town and it does show: > Mining Accidents - Allson > Name:ALLSON J. > Age:50 > Date:23/02/1867 > Year:1867 > Occupation:Bandsman > Colliery:Bradley (ironstone) > Owner:GB Thorneycroft and Co > Town:Bilston > County:Stafford > Notes:Whilst removing a sprag the roof fell and killed him on the spot. > > > So it might be worth checking this one out in case its been mis-spelt. > > Good luck and sorry if its not this one. > > Steve Basterfield > Researching basterfields everywhere. > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Steve & Paul. This could well be the person I am looking for. I have just looked on the Freebmd and the name was down as Allsop Joseph for the March quarter. I have got out the death certificate for Hannah Allsop and she died on the 1st February 1867, so she would still be the wife of Joseph. I am fairly sure that I wrote for a certificate from Wolverhampton for this entry a few years ago, they sent the cheque back and said that the entry was not the correct entry. It looks as though I will have to apply to Southport for this certificate. Many thanks to all that have helped me MoI

Mo You can search the Mining Database by town and it does show: Mining Accidents - Allson Name:ALLSON J. Age:50 Date:23/02/1867 Year:1867 Occupation:Bandsman Colliery:Bradley (ironstone) Owner:GB Thorneycroft and Co Town:Bilston County:Stafford Notes:Whilst removing a sprag the roof fell and killed him on the spot. So it might be worth checking this one out in case its been mis-spelt. Good luck and sorry if its not this one. Steve Basterfield Researching basterfields everywhere.

Hi Mo, the Coalmining History Resource Centre website www.cmhrc.co.uk includes a searchable database of mining accidents and records a 164,000 named fatalities from the 1700s onwards. I had a quick look but couldn't see a Joseph Allsop listed, unless it was under a different spelling. If the period of Joseph's death could be narrowed down with a bit more certainty, a seach of local newspaper reports on mining accidents and obituaries, such as those in the Wolverhampton Chronicle which covered Bilston, might be worth a shot. Hope this helps Carl Higgs ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: [Black Country] Mining acciddents in the mid 1870's > > Help please, > This is my first posting to this group. > > Could someone please tell me if there is a list of mines that had > fatalities in the late 1860's to early 1970's. > I am looking for a death of a Joseph Allsop (various spellings.) > Information passed down through the family was that his daughter Hannah > (born Nov. 1855 in Bilston), stood at the pit head holding the hand of her > younger brother, waiting for news of their father. Unfortunately no idea > of > time span. > I have the family in 1861 living in Hall St., Bilston (RG9 2002-5/145). > Joseph's wife Hannah dies November 1867 of Hall Fold, Bilston, on the > death > certificate says she is the wife of Joseph Allsop. > Therefor I am presuming that the accident occurs after Nov 1867. > I cannot find the family on the 1871 census. > Hannah's eldest brother by 1871 is living in Lancashire, no trace of > Hannah > there. > > I know that if a body was not found a death certificate could not be > issued. > Tried Wolverhampton for the one 1867 but not the correct one. > As yet I have to try for the one at Dudley Dec qtr 1868. > > Thank you for reading this. > Mo > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mo, Ian Winstanley maintains an invaluable NATIONAL DATABASE OF MINING DEATHS AND INJURIES at http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Of course there may be omissions, but it is generally very good. Also, it might be worth trying Wolverhampton Archives (www.wolverhampton.gov.uk/archives) to see if they hold any local records. Nigel Brown -----Original Message-----On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 11 August 2009 12:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [Black Country] Mining acciddents in the mid 1870's Help please, This is my first posting to this group. Could someone please tell me if there is a list of mines that had fatalities in the late 1860's to early 1970's. I am looking for a death of a Joseph Allsop (various spellings.) Information passed down through the family was that his daughter Hannah (born Nov. 1855 in Bilston), stood at the pit head holding the hand of her younger brother, waiting for news of their father. Unfortunately no idea of time span. I have the family in 1861 living in Hall St., Bilston (RG9 2002-5/145). Joseph's wife Hannah dies November 1867 of Hall Fold, Bilston, on the death certificate says she is the wife of Joseph Allsop. Therefor I am presuming that the accident occurs after Nov 1867. I cannot find the family on the 1871 census. Hannah's eldest brother by 1871 is living in Lancashire, no trace of Hannah there. I know that if a body was not found a death certificate could not be issued. Tried Wolverhampton for the one 1867 but not the correct one. As yet I have to try for the one at Dudley Dec qtr 1868.

The Coal Mining History Resource Centre has a website which includes mining disasters and lists of victims at www.cmhrc.co.uk. It should provide the information you need. Chris

Help please, This is my first posting to this group. Could someone please tell me if there is a list of mines that had fatalities in the late 1860's to early 1970's. I am looking for a death of a Joseph Allsop (various spellings.) Information passed down through the family was that his daughter Hannah (born Nov. 1855 in Bilston), stood at the pit head holding the hand of her younger brother, waiting for news of their father. Unfortunately no idea of time span. I have the family in 1861 living in Hall St., Bilston (RG9 2002-5/145). Joseph's wife Hannah dies November 1867 of Hall Fold, Bilston, on the death certificate says she is the wife of Joseph Allsop. Therefor I am presuming that the accident occurs after Nov 1867. I cannot find the family on the 1871 census. Hannah's eldest brother by 1871 is living in Lancashire, no trace of Hannah there. I know that if a body was not found a death certificate could not be issued. Tried Wolverhampton for the one 1867 but not the correct one. As yet I have to try for the one at Dudley Dec qtr 1868. Thank you for reading this. Mo

Hi, The only data I have is from the most quoted recipe book of the time Mrs Beeton dated 1861 (my version). In quoting it there are many strong caveats. The vast majority of people in the Blackcountry were desperately poor and their rations were survival fare. In the time frame you quote there was a massive cholera outbreak and hundreds died. Chocolates were not on the menu! If Mary Green went to the US to avoid poverty (as many did) she probably did not taste chocolate at all! (Not wishing to push the point, my Mother in Law has just died aged 103. She was from Lancashire and in 1910 she was buying bags of bones and dried beans for her Mother to feed a family of 12. Did her no harm!) Mrs Beeton's recipes were popular with the very wealthy and these would have been a very small % of the population (less than 1% at a guess). Mrs Beeton quotes recipes for Chocolate Almonds, slabs of chocolate served in fancy dishes, souflee, creams, puddings, sauces and cakes and the like. Mrs Beeton gives no references to Candies or Sweets. So if you are looking for something relevant to the Black Country I think you will find it difficult. The wealthy Victorian diet used chocolate as an additive to dishes often of French origin. Chocolate came then from the Empire mainly Jamaca. It was expensive and Mrs Beeton recommends 1/2 ounce for each person of cake chocolate when included in recipes. Hope this helps a little. Now, if you were raffling Pigs Trotters I am sure I could be more help! Hope the raffle goes OK Cheers Roger Thompson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BonaparteHistoricalSociety Sent: 07 August 2009 16:49 To: [email protected] Subject: [Black Country] Chocolate desserts from 1840's England The Bonaparte (Iowa, USA) Historical Society's Museum in housed in the former home of John and Mary Haden Green who came to Iowa from the Black County in 1846. The village is having a Taste of Chocolate event in which the Historical Society will have a raffle basket as a fundraiser. I would like to include some chocolate related candies/recipes in the basket that were popular during the 1810-1840 time frame in England. I found an English Toffee recipe at cookingforengineers.com. What I wonder is if there are historic English recipes out there from this time period that use chocolate? Something that Mary Green may have cooked before coming here? Mike Miller, President, Bonaparte Historical Society ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Roger for the history of the time. Well, so much for the chocolate idea :<( It is hard looking back from where we are now too understand what really hard times are like. In my research into the Green and Haden families, I read about the life of the "nailors" of the time. I am not sure which side of that divide the Green and Haden families were on. Unfortunately, it looks like we will soon get our own chance to understand really hard times here shortly. John Green reported himself as a "manufacturer" in the ship's manifest and did fairly soon after arrival here buy land, built a two story shop and two story brick house. So he apparently had some means when he arrived but a failed cultivator development project sapped his finances; and later, like so many others from that era, developed TB and died young. On the Pig Trotters, I would be interested. I have been collecting recipes for a planned "Aunty Green Supper" to feature the foods that were likely eaten by the Green family in the 1840's and 1850's with the dinner program covering the history of the Greens and early Bonaparte history which has been neglected in lieu of the "more glorious" times in the 1880's-1890's heyday of the village. Thanks again, Mike Miller On Aug 10, 2009, at 8:37 AM, Roger Thompson wrote: Hi, The only data I have is from the most quoted recipe book of the time Mrs Beeton dated 1861 (my version). In quoting it there are many strong caveats. The vast majority of people in the Blackcountry were desperately poor and their rations were survival fare. In the time frame you quote there was a massive cholera outbreak and hundreds died. Chocolates were not on the menu! If Mary Green went to the US to avoid poverty (as many did) she probably did not taste chocolate at all! (Not wishing to push the point, my Mother in Law has just died aged 103. She was from Lancashire and in 1910 she was buying bags of bones and dried beans for her Mother to feed a family of 12. Did her no harm!) Mrs Beeton's recipes were popular with the very wealthy and these would have been a very small % of the population (less than 1% at a guess). Mrs Beeton quotes recipes for Chocolate Almonds, slabs of chocolate served in fancy dishes, souflee, creams, puddings, sauces and cakes and the like. Mrs Beeton gives no references to Candies or Sweets. So if you are looking for something relevant to the Black Country I think you will find it difficult. The wealthy Victorian diet used chocolate as an additive to dishes often of French origin. Chocolate came then from the Empire mainly Jamaca. It was expensive and Mrs Beeton recommends 1/2 ounce for each person of cake chocolate when included in recipes. Hope this helps a little. Now, if you were raffling Pigs Trotters I am sure I could be more help! Hope the raffle goes OK Cheers Roger Thompson

I hope this is the correct address to send queries to My great great grandfather Edward Cook died in Dudley Guest hospital on 3 April 1899 foolowing an accident when he fell through the roof of a loft over stables at an iron works in Swan Village West Bromwich. Does anyone know if its possible to get a copy of any newspaper report of this please Thankyou Shirley Swinnerton _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

There is a good and popular site for Black Country folk http://www.blackcountrygob.com/ This one is much better for Genealogy Keith, has a dedicated BC section which works with a speed of light! www.genealogyforum.co.uk

Hello Paul, There is a good and popular site for Black Country folk http://www.blackcountrygob.com/ Regards, Keith BC.

You can already do this on the Sedgley Manor site. Tracy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bennett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Black Country Messages" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Richard Taylor wedding photo > > > Dear Brenda > > > > I had a similar question in the week and some very kind people from the > List sent me a couple of sites that you might be interested in. I did > take a look at these problem was I wasn't sure if the people that might > know who was on the photograph would ever look at the sites. > > > > I did send a copy to the Black Country Bugle who did publish my > photographs but as yet no one has come forward again if the right people > don't read the paper...... > > > > Last year I sent another photograph to the Bugle and got a reply from > someone in the Midlands who's uncles were on the photograph and hey presto > I was able to talk to the family and they were living in Dorset not miles > from where I now live. > > > > Could Ian Beach maybe set up something on his Sedgely Manor site or is > there some wizz kidd out there that might be able to build a site just for > us Black Country Folk. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Paul > >> From: [email protected] >> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 01:27:40 -0400 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Black Country] Richard Taylor wedding photo >> >> I have a wedding picture of Richard Taylor, wife and wedding party. >> Richard [Dick?] was born 1892, probably West Bromwich, and was the son of >> John >> and Rosannah Orme Taylor. The photo has about 40 people in it and was >> probably taken in the 1920s. I know none of the people in the photo, >> other than >> Richard. I would love to scan this photo and have it posted so that >> others can see it and, perhaps, identify some of the people and the >> location. >> Does anyone have any ideas for me? >> >> Thanks. >> Brenda >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and > emoticons. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Brenda I had a similar question in the week and some very kind people from the List sent me a couple of sites that you might be interested in. I did take a look at these problem was I wasn't sure if the people that might know who was on the photograph would ever look at the sites. I did send a copy to the Black Country Bugle who did publish my photographs but as yet no one has come forward again if the right people don't read the paper...... Last year I sent another photograph to the Bugle and got a reply from someone in the Midlands who's uncles were on the photograph and hey presto I was able to talk to the family and they were living in Dorset not miles from where I now live. Could Ian Beach maybe set up something on his Sedgely Manor site or is there some wizz kidd out there that might be able to build a site just for us Black Country Folk. Best wishes, Paul > From: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 01:27:40 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Black Country] Richard Taylor wedding photo > > I have a wedding picture of Richard Taylor, wife and wedding party. > Richard [Dick?] was born 1892, probably West Bromwich, and was the son of John > and Rosannah Orme Taylor. The photo has about 40 people in it and was > probably taken in the 1920s. I know none of the people in the photo, other than > Richard. I would love to scan this photo and have it posted so that > others can see it and, perhaps, identify some of the people and the location. > Does anyone have any ideas for me? > > Thanks. > Brenda > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

I have a wedding picture of Richard Taylor, wife and wedding party. Richard [Dick?] was born 1892, probably West Bromwich, and was the son of John and Rosannah Orme Taylor. The photo has about 40 people in it and was probably taken in the 1920s. I know none of the people in the photo, other than Richard. I would love to scan this photo and have it posted so that others can see it and, perhaps, identify some of the people and the location. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Thanks. Brenda

Hi All Thanks for everyone's help on my granddads death I have phoned Stourbridge Registrar Office and they told me Prestwood is South Staffs and comes under Womborne , so I have phoned them and ordered what I hope is my granddads death cert Its really very confusing has I always thought Prestwood came under Stourbridge Thanks again everyone for there help Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Wharton To: 'cassy' ; [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:47 AM Subject: RE: [Black Country] Place of Death Cassy Not sure if this is him, but could be possible, depends on exactly where the hospital was. Death recorded in full indexes as follows: John Francis , Qrt Sep 1967, age 67 Seisdon 98 307 Seisdon was rural district (in Staffs) in 1967 just west of Stourbridge, came down as far as Kinver and I guess abutted to Stourbridge . Google maps gives Prestwood west of the Wolverhampton Road so could well be in Seisdon My grandfather died in Kinver in 1966 and it took me some time to before I realised that the entry for Seidson was the one I wanted! Regards Peter Wharton -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of cassy Sent: 06 August 2009 22:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [Black Country] Place of Death Hi All I am trying to trace my granddads death cert John Franklin born 1900 I know he died between 1966-67 at Preswood Hospital near Stourbridge , I have looked at the West Midland Site and he is not on there and Liz has tried to look but we just cant seen to find him Does anyone know if Preswood comes under Stourbridge and Dudley area now Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2286 - Release Date: 08/06/09 18:17:00

The Bonaparte (Iowa, USA) Historical Society's Museum in housed in the former home of John and Mary Haden Green who came to Iowa from the Black County in 1846. The village is having a Taste of Chocolate event in which the Historical Society will have a raffle basket as a fundraiser. I would like to include some chocolate related candies/recipes in the basket that were popular during the 1810-1840 time frame in England. I found an English Toffee recipe at cookingforengineers.com. What I wonder is if there are historic English recipes out there from this time period that use chocolate? Something that Mary Green may have cooked before coming here? Mike Miller, President, Bonaparte Historical Society

Hello again Cassy Is this him? http://tinyurl.com/nzbq8n Ian Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia [email protected]

Hello List I have some photographs that have appeared in the Black Country Bugle and am trying to find out if anybody recognises the people, I know they are local to Coseley. Is there anywhere I could post them for people to take a look. Thanks, Paul _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Happy 10-Year Anniversary—get free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

Hi Cassy The hospital was originally built as the Edge View Hotel in the very early 1900s. It was later turned into the Sanatorium (we used to know it as Prestwood Chest Hospital) It closed down in the early 1970s before being reopened as a private Nursing Home. Have a look at http://www.search.staffspasttrack.org.uk/engine/resource/default.asp?resource=14114 Regards Ian Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia [email protected] Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire at http://www.sedgleymanor.com Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html Family Tree Blog at http://www.familytreeblog.com Researching: Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD & TURLEY Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME & YATES Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH/BACHE, CASWELL cassy wrote: > Hi All > I am trying to trace my granddads death cert > John Franklin born 1900 > I know he died between 1966-67 at Preswood > Hospital near Stourbridge , I have looked at the > West Midland Site and he is not on there and Liz > has tried to look but we just cant seen to find him > Does anyone know if Preswood comes under Stourbridge > and Dudley area now > Cheers > Cassy > Assistant Admin Black Country > Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2285 - Release Date: 08/06/09 05:57:00 >