Mellie: The You-tube video is the same as the one in the link I sent. In fact, I first found it there when I joined the Facebook group "I'm not a Brummie, I'm from the Black Country and proud." An interesting group! Best wishes Paul 2009/9/4 Mellie Chouikh <[email protected]> > http://www.teetshirts.com/ > > then you might just like the entire website for the tee shirts and check > out thier new video on you tube ~ havient seen it yet it just arrived in my > inbox today lol > > > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:49:51 +0100 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Black Country] A is for Opple > > > > > Hi: > > > > I enjoyed this modern Black Country alphabet song. > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blackcountry/content/articles/2008/12/11/black_country_alphabet_feature.shtml > > > > Best wishes > > > > Paul > > ------------------------------------- > > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. > Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > Add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. Find out how.<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/> >

http://www.teetshirts.com/ then you might just like the entire website for the tee shirts and check out thier new video on you tube ~ havient seen it yet it just arrived in my inbox today lol > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:49:51 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Black Country] A is for Opple > > Hi: > > I enjoyed this modern Black Country alphabet song. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blackcountry/content/articles/2008/12/11/black_country_alphabet_feature.shtml > > Best wishes > > Paul > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Hi: I enjoyed this modern Black Country alphabet song. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blackcountry/content/articles/2008/12/11/black_country_alphabet_feature.shtml Best wishes Paul

Might have got it wrong it maybe this one [email protected] Paul _________________________________________________________________ Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. http://extras.uk.msn.com/internet-explorer-8/?ocid=T010MSN07A0716U

Some details sent off-list. Velda ----- Original Message ----- From: "cassy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: [Black Country] LOOK UP PLEASE KILNER > Hi All > Can anyone do me a look up please > I have been trying to trace my Hobbis and Kilner families > for some years WITH NO LUCK but I have been looking on the IG I > and think I might have found my Thomas Kilner brothers > My Thomas Kilner died 1833 before the 1841 census but most of his > children > where born London , but where christened at Birmingham years latter > where he married his wife Mary Bagnal from Dilhome Staffs > I have no idea where Thomas was born but have been trying to find out > for years > With in a year of Thomas dying Mary remarried a Joseph Hobbis again at > Birmingham > The people I am after are James Kilner wife Mary Ann (Hobbis ) > there daughter Clara was christened 1833 Birmingham > Also John Kilner wife Ann whose son John Richard Kilner was born in > 1825, but was christened in 1831 Birmingham > I don't know where any of them where born so I am hoping someone might > be able to help > with then on the census > Cheers > > > Cassy > Assistant Admin Black Country > Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All Can anyone do me a look up please I have been trying to trace my Hobbis and Kilner families for some years WITH NO LUCK but I have been looking on the IG I and think I might have found my Thomas Kilner brothers My Thomas Kilner died 1833 before the 1841 census but most of his children where born London , but where christened at Birmingham years latter where he married his wife Mary Bagnal from Dilhome Staffs I have no idea where Thomas was born but have been trying to find out for years With in a year of Thomas dying Mary remarried a Joseph Hobbis again at Birmingham The people I am after are James Kilner wife Mary Ann (Hobbis ) there daughter Clara was christened 1833 Birmingham Also John Kilner wife Ann whose son John Richard Kilner was born in 1825, but was christened in 1831 Birmingham I don't know where any of them where born so I am hoping someone might be able to help with then on the census Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

I will be out of the office starting 21/08/2009 and will not return until 02/09/2009. I will answer all emails when I return

Thanks for all the help, looks like another trip to Smethwick Library. Thanks again Sandra.

In a message dated 20/08/2009 22:42:56 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: For anyone interested in Oldbury, I've just had this web site passed on to me by a friend - historyofoldbury.co.uk (no www) and there are 3 videos to watch. Just watched "Town Sparrows" which is of school children in the 1940s, it's really really beautiful. Hope you enjoy. Thank you so much for this link - a great site. When looking at some census returns I've wondered why Halesowen was sometimes Hales Owen - now I know. The videos look wonderful although at the moment they stop after about 30 seconds - I need to await the return of the man who might know! Carol

Sandra: Oldbury was a hotbed of nonconformism, and it is more than likely that your ancestor was baptised in one of the various chapels. However, very few records survive pre-1837. See http://www.laws.sandwell.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/leisure-and-culture/local-history-and-heritage/community-history-and-archives-service/family-history/church-records/ for details of what Sandwell Archives have. This is pretty much all that survives. Best wishes Paul 2009/8/19 sandra harper <[email protected]> > Hello, can anyone tell me where a person would have been > Baptised/Christened > in Oldbury in about 1820 apart from Christ Church, as I seem to be going > round in circles. Most Churches seemed to close before that date or were > not > built at that time and also where someone might be buried in 1851 same > town. > Thanks ever so. Sandra Harper > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, For anyone interested in Oldbury, I've just had this web site passed on to me by a friend - historyofoldbury.co.uk (no www) and there are 3 videos to watch. Just watched "Town Sparrows" which is of school children in the 1940s, it's really really beautiful. Hope you enjoy. Regards Jean

Hello, can anyone tell me where a person would have been Baptised/Christened in Oldbury in about 1820 apart from Christ Church, as I seem to be going round in circles. Most Churches seemed to close before that date or were not built at that time and also where someone might be buried in 1851 same town. Thanks ever so. Sandra Harper

Hi Listers My mom has told me that the Government after WWII set up an agency / Dept to assist with locating the fathers of children who were born from the G.I.'s Is there a way to contact this Agency ? are they on the Web ? and what information do you need to access records ? Thank you Alec Newnes

Hello List I am looking for a cousin of mine she was born 1930/1 and may have married in 1955 to a Douglas Hendrick (well this one crops up in BMD for 1955) . Her parents lived in Clarence Road Bilston. Her mothers name was Dorothy Bennett and her father was Norman Bennett always known as Leonard. Its a long shot but you never know someone out there may have heard of her. Thanks, Paul _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

Hello List: What we have here sounds very much like a "working class divorce". Until well after WWII, it was very expensive for working class people to divorce legally, so most of them didn't bother - they just separated, and remarried biganously, declaring themselves to be single or widowed. If you did this in a large town or city no-one would possibly know. No need to sign any document except the marriage register. Large numbers, including my grandmother did exactly that. Lucky for me that she did, or I wouldn't be here. Best wishes Paul 2009/8/17 Velda Hampton <[email protected]> > Thanks Cassie and Yorkie > I have spoken to staff at GRO and they say that in 1924 my Grandmother > could > have signed a document for the Registrar saying that she was a widow and it > would have been accepted, especially so near to the end of WW1. It was a > legal document and the onus was on her to tell the truth! My Grandfather > married again in 1926 in Lancashire and declared himself to be a bachelor - > easier for a man. My Grandmother had to re-marry under her married name as > she had a child and the neighbours knew of her short-lived marriage. > > Velda > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Cassie and Yorkie I have spoken to staff at GRO and they say that in 1924 my Grandmother could have signed a document for the Registrar saying that she was a widow and it would have been accepted, especially so near to the end of WW1. It was a legal document and the onus was on her to tell the truth! My Grandfather married again in 1926 in Lancashire and declared himself to be a bachelor - easier for a man. My Grandmother had to re-marry under her married name as she had a child and the neighbours knew of her short-lived marriage. Velda

Hi All Thanks to everyone who helped with this The death cert I ordered was the correct one I knew know Prestwood is under South Staffs , under Kinver area Seisdon and its Womborme Registrar office , and I always thought it came under Stourbridge You Live and Learn Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

Hi Veida Well if some one has been missing for seven years you can have them declared dead (Lord Lucan was declared dead ) but normally you have to take it to court In those days it might of cost allot of money for this to happen , but no one properly would check , also if she moved area's would anyone know ? Another question did he abandon her with children and she needed a bread winner to support her and any children Divorce was very expensive and only for the rich , one of my family married but on the next census his wife claimed she was a widow , but then I found her husband miles away married to someone else and he even gave his correct place of birth on the census Have a look at the details of her new marriage and what it said on your grandfathers death cert whether he marriage again or called himself a widow , Just to add a note to this , last week on the Telly in Who Do You Think You Are it did a programme on a man who left his wife and three children , his granddaughter wanted to know what happened to him , and she found out that with in a year of him leaving his wife and family he remarried again ,had children with his second wife lived over 20 years in his new wife's home town, then suddenly decided to move to Australia where he died in the 1970s he never changed his name and was never caught Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Velda Hampton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: [Black Country] Missing person declared dead > My Grandmother declared herself a widow in 1924 when she married a > neighbour > although my Grandfather didn't die until 1975. He had left her in 1909/10 > and embarked on an adventurous life around the world. How would she have > had him declared missing presumed dead and how can I get proof of this? > Of > course she may just have said that he died in WW1. > > Velda > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2306 - Release Date: 08/16/09 06:09:00

My Grandmother declared herself a widow in 1924 when she married a neighbour although my Grandfather didn't die until 1975. He had left her in 1909/10 and embarked on an adventurous life around the world. How would she have had him declared missing presumed dead and how can I get proof of this? Of course she may just have said that he died in WW1. Velda

Having just returned from this fantastic event at Worcester racecoarse , I feel that thanks should go to the Organising commitee especially Phil& Heather Bufton & there helpers For not only there time & patience but for organising an event like this . 'It' must at times feel like a thankless task , with no reward . So from Family Historians everywhare & the exhibiters who enjoyed the event I like to say a big THANKYOU & well done Carol & Ron O'Neill Genealogyprinters.com