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Further to my previous email, I have been advised that there is a subscription available to the 1911 census only [I had not delved into my email and only saw the full subscription details - whoops!]. So, my next question is - what is the best coverage of parish records on various sites like Find My Past and Ancestry? Does anyone have any knowledge in this area please? Or is there a comparison website anywhere? Thanks Carol

In a message dated 27/10/2009 08:23:31 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I'd like to hear others' comments also on the benefits of find my past over Ancestry. I only renewed my Ancestry sub in August, so will stay with them for at least until next August. Although I will take advantage of the yearly subscription to the 1911 Census on find my past. My basic subscription to Ancestry is due shortly and I, too, have been wondering what to do. Originally I had thought to upgrade to the middle subscription to gain access to pre 1837 records. Does anyone know which is the best site for pre 1837 records as they are my greatest need these days? Also, I was hoping the immigration/emigration records would be on the middle subscription to Ancestry but they are only on worldwide membership at a lot of money. When I look at the invitation I have received for a yearly subscription to 1911 census on Find My Past [with a 20% discount], then I'm looking at the best part of £300 for the two sites. Decisions, decisions! At least it looks like I'm not the only person wondering what to do! I have found links on Ancestry with people who have posted their trees there although in some cases the information is wrong, and most frustratingly, in several instances people have not replied [or maybe not been able to reply for whatever reason], either from a public or private tree. Are there better sites for making contact with people searching the same families? I have a feeling that discussion of commercial sites is frowned on on these lists although I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to know the advantages of each one in order to make a better informed choice. I'll probably end up with my usual subscription and going for short-term on other sites on an "as and when" basis. I would be pleased to receive comments from other folks and if we need to take it off list that's fine. Thanks Carol

I'd like to thank Jane Wettstone for keeping her website up all these years. Jane has organized a genealogy conference here in the U.S. for B.C. descendants, created the site to document and memorialize our reunions, created our birthday and surname lists, and collected Christmas traditions, stories, recipes and songs. She made links to lots of useful sites for B.C. researchers and has been enjoyed by many over the years. Now that we have so many membership changes and the site is not frequently visited, the time seems to have come to close it down. I have copied much of what is on the site if someone needs something from it. A big thank you to Jane for all she has done over the years, including her website. With Appreciation, Lois

Hi All Jane has been in touch and she has informed me that the B C Web Page is coming off the internet It was a very good page with some great pictures of some of our early reunions with some of our old friend who we have lost over the years like Ron and Pauline so if anyone wants to see it they had better be quick and can someone save some of the pictures link below Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists I have been informed that the Black Country Web site that has been up, but not used much, since our first reunion is going to disappear on Oct 26. I have copie off a few files, but I can't get it all There are some nice pictures of friends who were there at the first reunion that people might like to see. Here is the link http://www.geocities.com/narrowboattrio Could you please ut out a note to all the BC list members in case they want to check it TODAY. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Listers Latest additions to the Sedgley Manor website are "Extracts from the Manor Court Rolls" at http://www.sedgleymanor.com/smr/ Manor court rolls (or books) detail the passing of land from one tenant to another, the surveys done (legal disputes over land were even more common then than now, and sometimes ended more bloodily), and the appointment of local officials, such as the reeve (an official elected annually to supervise lands for a lord - Shire-reeve = Sherrif.) These extrats are mostly from the 1500-1700s. All the best Ian -- Ian Beach Bunbury, Western Australia [email protected] Website "The Ancient Manor of Sedgley" in Staffordshire at http://www.sedgleymanor.com Listowner ENG-STS-SEDGLEY at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-STS-SEDGLEY.html Family Tree Blog at http://www.familytreeblog.com Researching: Sedgley, Staffordshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH, CASWELL, GUTT(E)RIDGE, HOPKINS, FLAVELL, MILLARD & TURLEY Darlaston, Staffordshire : FOSTER, ORME & YATES Shropshire : ADDIS(S), BEACH/BACHE, CASWELL

Roger, Many thanks for your follow up and comments. My Brierley Hill Thompsons are: Samuel who married Sarah Brettell at Clent 1788, Thomas (son of Samuel) who married Mary Pearsal at Old Swinford 1808 Thomas George who married Bridget Moren at St Andrew, Netherton 1857 Bryan >Goodmorning, > >In response to your interest in Thompsons in Brierly Hill, I have the >following: > >Benjamin Thompson who started as an engineer at Round Oak and later owned a >hatshop in Brierly Hill High Street. He was also a Butty man for some time. >He lived finally in John Street Brockmoor BH. He married Myrah Gill. His >Children were Alice, vanished to Australia, Alfred Ernest , Phoebe and >"Ginney" . Phoebe married Herbert Clare and ran the Brierly Hill Printing >Company, also in High Street BH. Benjamin opened a second shop in Dudley. >Ginney married a William (?) Knowles and had one son, also Will. They too >lived in John Street. > >Herbert and Phoebe's son Douglas was killed in the tank battle at El >Alamein. > >Alfred Ernest married Florence Augusta Hickman, daughter of Joseph Hickman >and xxx(?) Norwood. (I have the Hickmans back to 1790). They had three >children Ernest Hickman Thompson, Marjorie Thompson and Stanley Norwood >Thompson ( my father). I have quite a bit of Thompson data back to a >speculative 1790-ish John Thompson. > >If anyone has any relevant links I can pass on the material I have in a >little more detail. > >Cheers Roger Thompson > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bryan Slim >Sent: 24 October 2009 20:22 >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Black Country] Mill Lane/street Brierley Hill 186Os > > >Thanks Peter, > >I have both Mill lane and Mill street in the 1861 census for Brierley Hill. > >My thought is possibly Hill Street erroneously entered up as Mill st > >My surname interests are Garvey, Thompson, Moren, Pearsal and Brettell > > > > >>Peter Willets wrote >> >>I have ancestors whose Brierley Hill address on the '41 and '51 >>census is 'Back of Mill Lane'. >> >>On later censuses they were at Cottage Street, Chapel Street and >>Brick Kiln Street, all of which border Mill _Street. >> >>_I have not done detailed research on this, but it may be a fair bet >>that Mill Lane was renamed as Mill Street. >> >>I would be interested to know who were your folks in this area. >> >>Regards >> >>Peter >> >>Bryan Slim wrote: >>>Is there SKS who can tell if there was a Mill lane in Brierley >>>Hill in 1860s - '70s. >>> >>>If so where was it? >>> >>> >>>Currently cross eyed by searches of the relevant Godfrey maps and A/Z >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Bryan Slim >>>Vancouver, Canada >>>------------------------------------- >>>The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >>>Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >>>the area. >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: >>>270.14.29/2455 - Release Date: 10/24/09 06:43:00 >>> >>> > >------------------------------------- >The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run >by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, Many thanks for your follow up and comments. Your mention of a Samuel Thompson as Victualler in BH in 1818 had me sitting up. I have a Samuel Thompson bn c. 1770. Now if only I can get Historical Directories to co-operate! Bryan >Hi Bryan, according to Stan Hills Book on Brierley Hill, Mill Street >runs from 5 Ways High Street, and descends steeply to cross the >Dudley Canal at the top of Nine Locks and on to join Mount Pleasant >and Delph Road. Probably named after the former Nine Locks Saw >Mills belonging to Roberts and Cooper. > >Hill Street descended from the point where High Street becomes >Church Street to Potter Street which lead to lower Delph Road. >After slum clearance and flats development of the 1960's the road >continues to Delph Road, just below the Baptist Church. > >A Samuel Thompson is listed from the 1818 Staffordshire Directory as >a Victualler of 'The Star Inn with Stables' Level Street. > >Hope this helps best wishes from Linda. > >--- On Sat, 24/10/09, Bryan Slim <[email protected]> wrote: > > >From: Bryan Slim <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Black Country] Mill Lane/street Brierley Hill 186Os >To: [email protected] >Date: Saturday, 24 October, 2009, 8:22 PM > > >Thanks Peter, > >I have both Mill lane and Mill street in the 1861 census for Brierley Hill. > >My thought is possibly Hill Street erroneously entered up as Mill st > >My surname interests are Garvey, Thompson, Moren, Pearsal and Brettell > > > > >>Peter Willets wrote >> >>I have ancestors whose Brierley Hill address on the '41 and '51 >>census is 'Back of Mill Lane'. >> >>On later censuses they were at Cottage Street, Chapel Street and >>Brick Kiln Street, all of which border Mill _Street. >> >>_I have not done detailed research on this, but it may be a fair bet >>that Mill Lane was renamed as Mill Street. >> >>I would be interested to know who were your folks in this area. >> >>Regards >> >>Peter >> >>Bryan Slim wrote: >>>Is there SKS who can tell if there was a Mill lane in Brierley >>>Hill in 1860s - '70s. >>> >>>If so where was it? >>> >>> >>>Currently cross eyed by searches of the relevant Godfrey maps and A/Z >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Thanks >>> >>>Bryan Slim >>>Vancouver, Canada >>>------------------------------------- >>>The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >>>Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >>>the area. >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>><http://uk.mc870.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>[email protected] >>>with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: >>>270.14.29/2455 - Release Date: 10/24/09 06:43:00 >>> >>> > >------------------------------------- >The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >the area. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ><http://uk.mc870.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>[email protected] >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the message

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Goodmorning, In response to your interest in Thompsons in Brierly Hill, I have the following: Benjamin Thompson who started as an engineer at Round Oak and later owned a hatshop in Brierly Hill High Street. He was also a Butty man for some time. He lived finally in John Street Brockmoor BH. He married Myrah Gill. His Children were Alice, vanished to Australia, Alfred Ernest , Phoebe and "Ginney" . Phoebe married Herbert Clare and ran the Brierly Hill Printing Company, also in High Street BH. Benjamin opened a second shop in Dudley. Ginney married a William (?) Knowles and had one son, also Will. They too lived in John Street. Herbert and Phoebe's son Douglas was killed in the tank battle at El Alamein. Alfred Ernest married Florence Augusta Hickman, daughter of Joseph Hickman and xxx(?) Norwood. (I have the Hickmans back to 1790). They had three children Ernest Hickman Thompson, Marjorie Thompson and Stanley Norwood Thompson ( my father). I have quite a bit of Thompson data back to a speculative 1790-ish John Thompson. If anyone has any relevant links I can pass on the material I have in a little more detail. Cheers Roger Thompson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bryan Slim Sent: 24 October 2009 20:22 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Black Country] Mill Lane/street Brierley Hill 186Os Thanks Peter, I have both Mill lane and Mill street in the 1861 census for Brierley Hill. My thought is possibly Hill Street erroneously entered up as Mill st My surname interests are Garvey, Thompson, Moren, Pearsal and Brettell >Peter Willets wrote > >I have ancestors whose Brierley Hill address on the '41 and '51 >census is 'Back of Mill Lane'. > >On later censuses they were at Cottage Street, Chapel Street and >Brick Kiln Street, all of which border Mill _Street. > >_I have not done detailed research on this, but it may be a fair bet >that Mill Lane was renamed as Mill Street. > >I would be interested to know who were your folks in this area. > >Regards > >Peter > >Bryan Slim wrote: >>Is there SKS who can tell if there was a Mill lane in Brierley >>Hill in 1860s - '70s. >> >>If so where was it? >> >> >>Currently cross eyed by searches of the relevant Godfrey maps and A/Z >> >> >> >> >>Thanks >> >>Bryan Slim >>Vancouver, Canada >>------------------------------------- >>The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >>Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >>the area. >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: >>270.14.29/2455 - Release Date: 10/24/09 06:43:00 >> >> ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Genuki for Brierley Hill reports: - the Independents have a chapel in Mill Lane, built in 1839 Does this ring a bell with anyone? Bryan Thanks Peter, I have both Mill lane and Mill street in the 1861 census for Brierley Hill. My thought is possibly Hill Street erroneously entered up as Mill st My surname interests are Garvey, Thompson, Moren, Pearsal and Brettell >Peter Willets wrote > >I have ancestors whose Brierley Hill address on the '41 and '51 >census is 'Back of Mill Lane'. > >On later censuses they were at Cottage Street, Chapel Street and >Brick Kiln Street, all of which border Mill _Street. > >_I have not done detailed research on this, but it may be a fair bet >that Mill Lane was renamed as Mill Street. > >I would be interested to know who were your folks in this area. > >Regards > >Peter > >Bryan Slim wrote: >>Is there SKS who can tell if there was a Mill lane in Brierley >>Hill in 1860s - '70s. >> >>If so where was it? >> >> >>Currently cross eyed by searches of the relevant Godfrey maps and A/Z >> >> >> >> >>Thanks >> >>Bryan Slim >>Vancouver, Canada >>------------------------------------- >>The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >>Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >>the area. >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: >>270.14.29/2455 - Release Date: 10/24/09 06:43:00 >> >>

Thanks Peter, I have both Mill lane and Mill street in the 1861 census for Brierley Hill. My thought is possibly Hill Street erroneously entered up as Mill st My surname interests are Garvey, Thompson, Moren, Pearsal and Brettell >Peter Willets wrote > >I have ancestors whose Brierley Hill address on the '41 and '51 >census is 'Back of Mill Lane'. > >On later censuses they were at Cottage Street, Chapel Street and >Brick Kiln Street, all of which border Mill _Street. > >_I have not done detailed research on this, but it may be a fair bet >that Mill Lane was renamed as Mill Street. > >I would be interested to know who were your folks in this area. > >Regards > >Peter > >Bryan Slim wrote: >>Is there SKS who can tell if there was a Mill lane in Brierley >>Hill in 1860s - '70s. >> >>If so where was it? >> >> >>Currently cross eyed by searches of the relevant Godfrey maps and A/Z >> >> >> >> >>Thanks >> >>Bryan Slim >>Vancouver, Canada >>------------------------------------- >>The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >>Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >>the area. >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: >>270.14.29/2455 - Release Date: 10/24/09 06:43:00 >> >>

Thanks Harry - I have both Mill lane and Mill street in the 1861 census for Brierley Hill. - My thought is possibly Hill Street, erroneously entered as Mill st Harry Vincent wrote: >I am wondering if Mill lane was what is now called >Mill Street (A4100) that runs SE out of Brierley Hill from its >junction with High Street (A461). Harry Vincett Tracking DINGLEYS >and their cousins from the Black Country ----- Original Message ---- >From: Bryan Slim <[email protected]> To: >[email protected] Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 9:48:0 6 >AM Subject: [Black Country] Mill Lane/street Brierley Hill 186Os Is >there SKS who can tell if there was a Mill lane in Brierley Hill >in 1860s - '70s. If so where was it? Currently cross eyed by >searches of the relevant Godfrey maps and A/Z Thanks Bryan Slim >Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------------- The only >List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by >Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please >send an email to [email protected] with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message

I am wondering if Mill lane was what is now called Mill Street  (A4100) that runs SE out of Brierley Hill from its junction with High Street (A461). Harry Vincett Tracking DINGLEYS and their cousins from the Black Country ----- Original Message ---- From: Bryan Slim <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, October 24, 2009 9:48:0 6 AM Subject: [Black Country] Mill Lane/street Brierley Hill 186Os Is there SKS who can tell  if there was a Mill lane  in Brierley Hill in 1860s - '70s. If so where was it? Currently cross eyed  by searches of the relevant Godfrey maps and  A/Z Thanks Bryan Slim Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there SKS who can tell if there was a Mill lane in Brierley Hill in 1860s - '70s. If so where was it? Currently cross eyed by searches of the relevant Godfrey maps and A/Z Thanks Bryan Slim Vancouver, Canada

Hello, I am wondering if anyone has the St Giles Parish Registers ? I am looking for the Birth/Parents of Elisabeth Olifer/Olifar/Oliver born abt 1676 in Rowley Regis. Thankyou Sandra Harper

I have just re-subscribed to this list after a short break. I am still attempting to find a 'hole in the brick wall' of this branch of my tree. I have traced the name of the person I believe to be that of my great,grandfather Henry through census including the 1911and an electoral roll for 1912. However, try though I may I am unable to find any record of his marriage. Do I just assume he was not married or is it worth seeking the services of a professional researcher to look into this for me. I know the name of his wife as I have a copy of my grandfather's birth certificate and the address on the birth certificate ties in with the address of my great, grandparents on on a copy of the census. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia

Many thanks to Brian Duckworth for suggesting contacting Smethwick Library. Given that St Philip Neri is RC it is my understanding records are held by the church priest. Bryan Slim >Hi Bryan The following hold records of BMD For Churches in the >Smethwick area suggest you get >in contact they maybe able to help. If i can help in any way let me know. > >Sandwell Archives >Smethwick Library >High Street >Birmingham B66 1AB >West Midlands >Tel: 0121 558 2561 > >Hope this is of any help >Kind regards >Best wishes >Brian Duckworth > > > >From: Bryan Slim <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, 6 October, 2009 8:41:03 PM >Subject: [Black Country] St Philip Neri, Smethwick > > >Is there anyone who has had a success with access to the baptismal >registers of St Philip Neri in Smethwick and can tell how I can >contact the incumbent. > >I am trying to find details of my grandmother's birth c 1878 >(estimated from 1881 census) in Smethwick having had no luck from >the civil list or free BMD. > >Thanks > >Bryan Slim >Vancouver, Canada >------------------------------------- >The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black >Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in >the area. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the message

Is there anyone who has had a success with access to the baptismal registers of St Philip Neri in Smethwick and can tell how I can contact the incumbent. I am trying to find details of my grandmother's birth c 1878 (estimated from 1881 census) in Smethwick having had no luck from the civil list or free BMD. Thanks Bryan Slim Vancouver, Canada

Hi Listers First I would like to Thank everyone who has helped me in my Quest. Wow!!, a special Thank you to Marilyn, Tracy and Mary. I have been looking in 1901 census and have found Wheeler St. in Aston Manor District #11 #149 - 207 Wheeler St. District #12 #209 - 251 Wheeler St. District #13 #253 - 287 Wheeler St. District #14 #289 - 309 Wheeler St. District #15 #162 - 228 Wheeler St. District #16 #230 - 358 Wheeler St. are there other parts of this street in another District or in Duddeston ? am I missing parts of this Street? Looking for Thomas and Alice Newnes (b.1872 and 1874) and there children Alfred 1895, Joseph 1897, Walter 1900, Living on Wheeler St.????