Brian, she must have had a birth certificate, you just haven't found it yet, different name or spelling?  Linda.   --- On Wed, 28/10/09, Bryan Slim <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bryan Slim <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] proof of age for pension To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, 28 October, 2009, 11:41 PM Hi, How could someone prove their age if they could not  trace their registration or a birth certificate, and thus their eligibility  for the government old age pension? Despite many searches over the years I have been unable to find  my grandmother's birth registration and yet i know she had a pension. Thanks Bryan Slim Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:41:45 -0700 From: Bryan Slim <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] proof of age for pension To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected][192.168.0.103]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi, How could someone prove their age if they could not trace their registration or a birth certificate, and thus their eligibility for the government old age pension? Despite many searches over the years I have been unable to find my grandmother's birth registration and yet i know she had a pension. Thanks Bryan Slim Vancouver, Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Brian. could there possibly have been a baptist Certificate ? Regards, Albert Bloxwich, UK

Dave Ogden wrote: > Hi All, > For those who don't know, Langley Maltings on Western Road Oldbury > were destroyed by a fire on 9th sept this year. The Maltings (which was a > listed building) were almost 140 years old (built in the 1870's) and > originally owned by Walter Showell as part of his Crosswells Brewery empire. > This is a tremendous loss to our Black Country heritage. The Maltings > themselves were closed in 2006 by Wolverhampton & Dudley Breweries after > being previously owned by Ind Cooope (from 1957 to 2000). > Hunt Brothers Griffin Foundry in Oldbury has also reached the end of the > line, literally. The place is now gone! This "cathedral of BC industry" is > no more. > If anyone would like a pic of the last days of either, just give me a shout > and I'll forward a photo (definitely for personal use only) to you. > > Dave 8-( > Wednesbury Folks, When I saw the 'brewery news' I came to life and thought to look up my page on Derek Pace who played football and after retirement did some brewery work: Jim Evan's words (local historian of Essington) After retiring from football Derek became a sales representative for Churchfield Springs Ltd of West Bromwich and died on the 17th October 1989. .... Jim Evans - Essington - August 2000 Jim has gone too now, he was a great help to family researchers with BC Heritage and sent me much useful stuff, remembering my family that's still in the area. If anyone remembers my 2nd cousin DEREK PACE and would like to see Jim's info on his career and appropriate images, click on: http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/derek.htm I wonder if it'd be appropriate to ask if a label, an ad, may still be available for Derek's page? Gord Pace in Ontario where almost prohibition tactics, gov't edicts, are at work, slowly erasing the public house scene

Hi All Me, Jane , Yorkie , Liz , Doreen go back along time , has well has Pauline, Ron , and Phil who we have sadly lost over the years I often look at the reunion site and read all the daft comments we made about each other and have to laugh , after Dave had finish making comments about me everyone thought I was drunk getting drunk on pernoids , and it took years to convince people I don't drink , only pop , Anyone who is coming to the reunion next year and they need bed and breakfast ect, let me know and I will try and sort out places you can stop at at a reasonable price , or anything they else I can help them with Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

Hi, How could someone prove their age if they could not trace their registration or a birth certificate, and thus their eligibility for the government old age pension? Despite many searches over the years I have been unable to find my grandmother's birth registration and yet i know she had a pension. Thanks Bryan Slim Vancouver, Canada

That's a lovely idea Dave. Reunion 2010. I enjoyed the early ones. In recent years accommodation for tourists has improved greatly equaling any in the US or Canada. The BC road networks. have been improved too. I suppose the town planners have the proposed Olympics in mind. The games may be around London but lots of visiting competitors will be based here in the Midlands. Yes Dave. Start the ball rolling for Autumn 2010 Reunion. Regards Pat & Gil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ogden" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:00 AM Subject: [Black Country] Jane's site plus bits and bobs plus BCR 2010! > Hi all, > It's ages since I've posted to the BC List (I'm usually under the > radar sorting you all out!). > I must say that on a review of Jane's site, it's brought back a huge > amountof very dear memories. The very first reunion (actually only four of > us) was eclipse day on 11th August 1999. There was myself, Jane, Jo and > Anne (my wife and daughter) whizzing around the Black Country and ending > up at the Lion pub at Hampton Loade on the river Severn (now closed!) for > a pint and a meal. Jane said that it would be a great idea to have a Black > Countryreunion for us all to enjoy. > The idea was taken up, driven by Jane, and the next year (2000), we had > the first full blown BC List reunion with many people from all corners of > the world joining in. We all had a great time with many places visited > andnattered about. > The BC reunions were a feature of our list for a number of years, and > still, ex-pats come to visit their roots.

Good Grief, Dave i never knew about Phil, what a shock. A 10th reunion sounds a brilliant idea. Count us in :-)) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ogden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:00 AM Subject: [Black Country] Jane's site plus bits and bobs plus BCR 2010! > Hi all, > It's ages since I've posted to the BC List (I'm usually under the > radar sorting you all out!). > So here's a proposition, How's about a BC list reunion tenth Anniversary > in > Sept 2010.

Good Grief, Dave i never knew about Phil, what a shock. A 10th reunion sounds a brilliant idea. Count us in :-)) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Ogden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:00 AM Subject: [Black Country] Jane's site plus bits and bobs plus BCR 2010! > Hi all, > It's ages since I've posted to the BC List (I'm usually under the > radar sorting you all out!). > So here's a proposition, How's about a BC list reunion tenth Anniversary > in > Sept 2010.

Dear Group & Dave, The rest of the story about my meeting Dave, his wife Jo and daughter Anne is that Dave had been helping me locate people and places. On a basic rootsweb list I innocently asked where Upper Gornal was. Actually it wasn't so innocent, I hadn't been getting any responses and I thought that might stir up some comment. The first reply was from a clever lad who said it was just above Lower Gornal. The second reply was from Dave who typed " I am sitting in my office over looking the lights of Upper Gornal. What do you want to know?" We corresponded for at least a year before I built up the courage to show up in the Black Country again. Again because I had been on a narrowboat holiday with my husband and friends and had visited the Black Country Museum and the limestone mine in 1996. Dave helped me find out that my great grandfather had worked in that mine. During our conversations and conversations with others, Dave decided he would start the Rootsweb Black Country List which has flourished ever since. Supper at The Lion was interesting because I could see similarities in the landscape between Western Pennsylvania and the area between Wolverhampton and The Lion. My grandparents emigrated to a coal mining and iron, then steel making area of Pennsylvania from the coal mining, iron making area of England. The land forms are similar as are the flora and fauna. There is a lot more to the study of genealogy than the listing of names and dates. Family stories are extremely important. That is why our BC list is set up to allow that to happen. Thank you Dave. Not sure I can make it to the reunion. Economy is not great over here. I will try. I remember setting up lots of things from a very long distance and was grateful for help from many folks. You know who you are and I hope you know how grateful I was and still am that it all worked out. Through the process I found friends for life at a reunion of people who had never met before. I have cousins in Wolverhampton and Penkridge that I see now and again. I am shocked about Phil's death. He was a great addition to that first reunion. Jane nb WishIwashomeintheBCagain (I love narrowboats and my signature usually reflects that) > > > > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 28/10/2009 02:21:10 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: theres a special 4-page article in this months 'Who Do You Think you Are' magazine looking at exactly what you were talking about. It takes the four (or five) most popular sites - Ancestry.com, Findmypast, The Genealogist etc and compares them for content, value, ease of use etc. Gives a good break-down of what each site offers re pre 1837, censuses, parish records, commercial records, Educational records etc. Thanks for this - sounds like it's just what I'm looking for. Carol

Hi Dave, lovely to hear from you again. Please, yes another Reunion but can it be in October as I am booked already for September 2010 (Turkey with the family). Yorkie

Carol, theres a special 4-page article in this months 'Who Do You Think you Are' magazine looking at exactly what you were talking about. It takes the four (or five) most popular sites - Ancestry.com, Findmypast, The Genealogist etc and compares them for content, value, ease of use etc. Gives a good break-down of what each site offers re pre 1837, censuses, parish records, commercial records, Educational records etc. Well worth a look Lesley ________________________________

Hi All, For those who don't know, Langley Maltings on Western Road Oldbury were destroyed by a fire on 9th sept this year. The Maltings (which was a listed building) were almost 140 years old (built in the 1870's) and originally owned by Walter Showell as part of his Crosswells Brewery empire. This is a tremendous loss to our Black Country heritage. The Maltings themselves were closed in 2006 by Wolverhampton & Dudley Breweries after being previously owned by Ind Cooope (from 1957 to 2000). Hunt Brothers Griffin Foundry in Oldbury has also reached the end of the line, literally. The place is now gone! This "cathedral of BC industry" is no more. If anyone would like a pic of the last days of either, just give me a shout and I'll forward a photo (definitely for personal use only) to you. Dave 8-( Wednesbury England Listowner: The Black Country, Staffordshire, The Potteries, Ironbridge, Leek & Lowe, Wolverhampton etc.,

Hi all, It's ages since I've posted to the BC List (I'm usually under the radar sorting you all out!). I must say that on a review of Jane's site, it's brought back a huge amount of very dear memories. The very first reunion (actually only four of us) was eclipse day on 11th August 1999. There was myself, Jane, Jo and Anne (my wife and daughter) whizzing around the Black Country and ending up at the Lion pub at Hampton Loade on the river Severn (now closed!) for a pint and a meal. Jane said that it would be a great idea to have a Black Country reunion for us all to enjoy. The idea was taken up, driven by Jane, and the next year (2000), we had the first full blown BC List reunion with many people from all corners of the world joining in. We all had a great time with many places visited and nattered about. The BC reunions were a feature of our list for a number of years, and still, ex-pats come to visit their roots. The Leathern Bottel may not be our "centre of operations" (hasn't been for the last 3 years actually) these days but we're still here via email or in "The Horse and Jockey" at Wednesbury occasionally. So here's a proposition, How's about a BC list reunion tenth Anniversary in Sept 2010. There are flights to the BC from Philadelphia with US airways, New York with Continental, the Antipodes with Emirates etc, etc. There are members who have passed away who would have loved this, none more shocking than Phil Collins who died earlier this year at such a young age, a lovely man who was taken way before his time. Let's get the List back to the way it was and the reasons why it was set up. Not just Gen and Family History, but tales about the BC and the way it was. It's what made our list tick! Hopefully, see you in Sept 2010 for our proper tenth anniversary. The Pie Factory is still going strong <g> as are many other attractions that we utilised on our first BCR. Dave 8-) Wednesbury England Listowner: The Black Country, Staffordshire, The Potteries, Ironbridge, Leek & Lowe, Wolverhampton etc.,

Oh, YES! Count me in for that reunion, Dave! I'd love to see everyone again, and I'd love to learn more B.C. culture in the meantime. Speaking of which, if someone lived "in the Packet", what is that? Starting to Pack, Lois -----Original Message----- From: Dave Ogden <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 8:00 pm Subject: [Black Country] Jane's site plus bits and bobs plus BCR 2010! Hi all, It's ages since I've posted to the BC List (I'm usually under the radar sorting you all out!). I must say that on a review of Jane's site, it's brought back a huge amount of very dear memories. The very first reunion (actually only four of us) was eclipse day on 11th August 1999. There was myself, Jane, Jo and Anne (my wife and daughter) whizzing around the Black Country and ending up at the Lion pub at Hampton Loade on the river Severn (now closed!) for a pint and a meal. Jane said that it would be a great idea to have a Black Country reunion for us all to enjoy. The idea was taken up, driven by Jane, and the next year (2000), we had the first full blown BC List reunion with many people from all corners of the world joining in. We all had a great time with many places visited and nattered about. The BC reunions were a feature of our list for a number of years, and still, ex-pats come to visit their roots. The Leathern Bottel may not be our "centre of operations" (hasn't been for the last 3 years actually) these days but we're still here via email or in "The Horse and Jockey" at Wednesbury occasionally. So here's a proposition, How's about a BC list reunion tenth Anniversary in Sept 2010. There are flights to the BC from Philadelphia with US airways, New York with Continental, the Antipodes with Emirates etc, etc. There are members who have passed away who would have loved this, none more shocking than Phil Collins who died earlier this year at such a young age, a lovely man who was taken way before his time. Let's get the List back to the way it was and the reasons why it was set up. Not just Gen and Family History, but tales about the BC and the way it was. It's what made our list tick! Hopefully, see you in Sept 2010 for our proper tenth anniversary. The Pie Factory is still going strong <g> as are many other attractions that we utilised on our first BCR. Dave 8-) Wednesbury England Listowner: The Black Country, Staffordshire, The Potteries, Ironbridge, Leek & Lowe, Wolverhampton etc., ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Been asked if I can help with any info on Welch Coal Merchants West Bromwich , My hubby seems to think it was towards the Hill Top area and he reeled out a list of Coal Merchants names , (I was completely lost ) The owners had a daughter who married a man named Windmill from the Oldbury area , and they are trying to find any info on this family Can anyone help Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

Hi All Don't know if any of you know that St James Church Lower Gornal is under threat of beening closed down in the near future due to lack of funds , Been told this today , it was very sad news and I was told that when the present vicar retires, there properly wont be a permanent vicar again only one that visits I know I have family buried in the graveyard there from when it was first built and I am sure Jane has has well has other list members from the Gornal area have also got family buried there Its so sad that we are losing so many of our beautiful churches , Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

Hi Lois, I don't think it is Jane who is closing the site down, but Geocities (Yahoo). My own website was closed down by them recently. I think they are reorganising their organisation and cutting out what they consider 'dead wood'. My own site has over they years been a means of people contacting me about my family history research. I shall miss this, but time doesn't stand still and things do change, unfortunately. I have many happy memories of the old Black Country organisation and our B.C. Reunions - I propose a toast to all past members and new ones also. Remember our Christmas and New Year toasts around the world. Oh happy days! Love to all, Yorkie

Carol: Ancestry is starting to put original images of Parish Registers onto its site. Even better, many of them are name indexed. But at the moment the coverage is just London. This is a truly wonderful resource. My wife's mother's family are from London, and it has simply revolutionised the tracing of them. If you have any London ancestors it's well worth the sub (it's a bit more expensive than the basic tier, which is only really of use for the censuses). Doubtless they'll extend it to other places soon. Best wishes Paul 2009/10/27 <[email protected]> > Further to my previous email, I have been advised that there is a > subscription available to the 1911 census only [I had not delved into my > email and > only saw the full subscription details - whoops!]. > > So, my next question is - what is the best coverage of parish records on > various sites like Find My Past and Ancestry? Does anyone have any > knowledge in this area please? Or is there a comparison website anywhere? > > Thanks > > Carol > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Paul I'd like to hear others' comments also on the benefits of find my past over Ancestry. I only renewed my Ancestry sub in August, so will stay with them for at least until next August. Although I will take advantage of the yearly subscription to the 1911 Census on find my past. Maggie ======================================== Message Received: Oct 27 2009, 07:57 AM From: "Paul Bennett" To: "Black Country Messages" Cc: Subject: [Black Country] FW: Find my Past .com 1911 Census Should I be taking advantage of the 20% discount that is being offered. What are other folks out there doing. It starts to become expensive as I am already with Ancestry. Help please. Paul Researching, Dudley Simms, Homer, Bennett New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger onto your mobile for free http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/ ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://thesaltfamily.tribalpages.com/ www.familytrails.net Researching : SALT, BARKLAM/BARTLAM, LOWE, JONES, RILEY, DEAN, SAUNDERS, BURBRIDGE, BURNS, BROWN, FOSTER, HUMPHRIES, STACKHOUSE, SCANLON, SHIRLEY, WEAVER, BENNETT