Hi Kerry I'll reply off list re magazine Lesley ________________________________

Hi Lesley and fellow listers, I would very much like to know the date of the above magazine so that I may purchase same in reference to site comparisons for genealogy. Being in Australia it takes a while for English publications to reach us. Many thanks, Kerry from Queensland, Australia Researching : MORRIS, SIMPSON and DAVEY in the West Midlands area

Hi Bryan Well what can I say, except I am very glad that you found it! Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Polly Rubery" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension HI Polly, Good of you to respond and suggest naming my candidate. Following you suggestion, i looked for my grandmother under her mother's maiden name and there she was, together with a third forename being her father's surname, in Q4 1877. I hope I can return the assistance one day. Many thanks. Bryan

It's the October issue, you can see the front page here: http://www.bbcwhodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/magazine/past-issues By the time I got to the shops the Nov issue was out, so will have to phone to get a back issue! Regards Peter Wharton

Hi Bryan >>Since i was at gmother's 80th birthday party i at least have the quarter and year<< But don't forget that one had 42 days to register a birth, so that, for example, a birth in mid-November might appear in the index for the March quarter of the following year. But in 1910, when Pensions were first introduced, not everyone entitled had a birth certificate anyway, having been born before 1 Jul 1837, so a baptism certificate was accepted as well, and in many cases the censuses were consulted too, hence the statement at the top of the 1911 Household schedule "The returns are not to be used for proof of age, as in connection with Old Age Pensions..." - just in case people were tempted to record themselves as older than they really were...:-) There are cases of births just not being registered, but more often than not they are there, but lurking somewhere unexpected (especially to those who don't know about the 42 days grace), under a strange mis-spelling (such as YEWBERRY for RUBERY!) or another surname altogether (such as the mother's maiden name). I have been trying to follow this thread, but have been working very long hours this week, so I apologise if I have missed it, but did you actually ever post the details of the person whose birth you were seeking? Kind regards Polly Thanks Bryan Slim ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just to add a bit more to this , even thou you where supposed to registrar Births from 1837 England and Wales , Scotland I think I was 1864? and Ireland 1846 Protestant, and Catholic 1864 many people did not it was up to the local registrar to find them , which really was an impossible task unless he knew then , but in the 1870s in became an offence with a fine if they didn't , Sometime in the early 1900s there was a small pension brought out and those who did not have a birth cert or where born before 1837 had to find proof of when they where born to claim pension , those born after 1837 did try and register there birth Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 4:10 PM Subject: [Black Country] proof of age for pension > > Hi, all, > > Many thanks for those who offered advice including Albert, Pete and > Lin, Edward, Brenda, Maaisha, Cassy > > Since i was at gmother's 80th birthday party i at least have the > quarter and year > > > > Thanks > > Bryan Slim > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.39/2468 - Release Date: 10/29/09 19:49:00

HI Polly, Good of you to respond and suggest naming my candidate. Following you suggestion, i looked for my grandmother under her mother's maiden name and there she was, together with a third forename being her father's surname, in Q4 1877. I hope I can return the assistance one day. Many thanks. Bryan

Hi, all, Many thanks for those who offered advice including Albert, Pete and Lin, Edward, Brenda, Maaisha, Cassy Since i was at gmother's 80th birthday party i at least have the quarter and year Thanks Bryan Slim

Just found out about this, which may be of interest... http://www.dudley.gov.uk/community-and-living/registration-service/family-history-day John Everson,

Hi All Just to let everyone KNOW what I said about it being a scan ONLY REFERRED to the Black Country List , and not other web sites Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "cassy" <[email protected]> To: "Dot Keck" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Loss of accounts > Hi Dot > Its a scan , , some people only write to the list when its one of there > family names , > I will check with Dave to be sure but I am certain its another scan > Cheers > Cassy > Assistant Admin Black Country > Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dot Keck" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:15 PM > Subject: [Black Country] Loss of accounts > > >>I saw two emails yesterday saying our accounts would be taken away if we >>didn't send an occasional message to Black Country web site. Is this a >>scam? I don't email very often but I check the site out every day and >>copy >>the info that I need. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dot in Montana >> >> [email protected] >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.36/2465 - Release Date: 10/28/09 > 09:34:00 > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.36/2465 - Release Date: 10/28/09 09:34:00

My Uncle Edward was born in Ireland in 1872 , he never had a birth cert but he had a Catholic Baptism record , he also served in the British Army twice before WW1 and he went back in when WW1 started , he did have a pension and he died in 1954 at West Bromwich Have a copy of his Baptism and his birth date is a few days out to what's on his army records Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <[email protected]> To: "Pete & Lin Lamberg" <[email protected]>; "BC LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension > Going back some years people did not always have a birth certificate.I > know > of case where a person definitely did not have a birth certificate. This > lady knew where she was born and the year 1890. She was due a retirement > pension in 1950, but could not produce a birth certificate, so could not > claim it. Eventually it was agreed that her birth had not been registered, > because in the meantime she had been christened and there were church > records, she had been married and had her marriage certificate, she was on > the electoral roll, she held a valid identity card and had ration books > etc > issued during the war, yet officially she did not exist because her father > had not registered her birth. Eventually and I think it took about two > years > a birth certificate was issued retrospectively. > Ted > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.36/2465 - Release Date: 10/28/09 09:34:00

Hi Dot Its a scan , , some people only write to the list when its one of there family names , I will check with Dave to be sure but I am certain its another scan Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dot Keck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: [Black Country] Loss of accounts >I saw two emails yesterday saying our accounts would be taken away if we >didn't send an occasional message to Black Country web site. Is this a >scam? I don't email very often but I check the site out every day and copy >the info that I need. > > Thanks. > > Dot in Montana > > [email protected] > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.36/2465 - Release Date: 10/28/09 09:34:00

Lois, it wasn't law before 1874. --- On Thu, 29/10/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 2:41 PM Yes, I know of similar cases.  One in the U.S., one in Leicester.  My mother was born in Oklahoma Territory, before statehood, and her birth was not recorded.  She was able to get a "delayed" birth certificate after having witnesses make certified statements.  In Leicester, my great grandfather, born 1843, applied for and received a replacement birth certificate, claiming his was lost.  He was 20 at the time.  He was born illegitimate, but suddenly obtained a father on his new birth certificate. (He claimed the stepfather who threw him out for not being his.)  So the possibilities expand! Cheers,   Lois -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD SOUTHWICK <[email protected]> To: Pete & Lin Lamberg <[email protected]>; BC LIST <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:44 am Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension Going back some years people did not always have a birth certificate.I know of case where a person definitely did not have a birth certificate. This lady knew where she was born and the year 1890. She was due a retirement pension in 1950, but could not produce a birth certificate, so could not claim it. Eventually it was agreed that her birth had not been registered, because in the meantime she had been christened and there were church records, she had been married and had her marriage certificate, she was on the electoral roll, she held a valid identity card and had ration books etc issued during the war, yet officially she did not exist because her father had not registered her birth. Eventually and I think it took about two years a birth certificate was issued retrospectively. Ted ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan, Don't know if this will help you but it won't hurt to post it just in case there is a link. Denyse in Queensland -------- Name: John Billingham Birth: abt 1823 Dudley Wood, near Cradley Heath, Staffordshire Occupation: Chainmaker Marriage: 22 Mar 1841 St Thomas C of E, Dudley, Worcestershire Spouse: Mary Gill (sister of my husband's ancestor) Birth: abt 1823 Netherton, Worcestershire Christen: 8 Jun 1823 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcestershire Father: Daniel Gill (1800->1861)Mother: Sylvia "Selvy" Hampton (1799->1871) Children: 1: Benjamin Billingham Birth: abt 1843 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire Spouse: Elizabeth Roberts Marriage: 17 Sep 1866 St Thomas C of E, Dudley, Worcestershire ---------------------------------------- 2: James Billingham Birth: abt 1845 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire Spouse: Sarah Matthews Marriage: 25 Dec 1872 St Thomas C of E, Dudley, Worcestershire ---------------------------------------- 3: Joseph Billingham Birth: abt 1846 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire ---------------------------------------- 4: Henry Billingham Birth: 23 Dec 1850 Tibbets Gardens, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire Death: 15 Jun 1940 Occupation: chainmaker Spouse: Ruth Yarnold Marriage: 28 May 1872 St Thomas C of E, Dudley, Worcestershire ---------------------------------------- 5: Sylvia Billingham Birth: abt 1853 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire ---------------------------------------- 6: Selena Billingham Birth: abt 1855 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire ---------------------------------------- 7: Alfred Billingham Birth: abt 1858 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire Occupation: Chainmaker Spouse: Polly ---------------------------------------- 8: Mary Ann Billingham Birth: abt 1862 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire ---------------------------------------- 9: John Billingham Birth: abt 1864 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire ------------------------------------------ Notes for John Billingham John and Mary lived at Dudley Wood, near Cradley Heath until 1842, when they moved to Tibbetts' Garden. 1881 Census. 32 Tibbetts Garden, Rowley Regis, Stafford: PRO Ref: RG11. Piece/Folio: 2861 / 155. Page 50 John Billingham, head, marr, 58, b Rowley, chainmaker Mary Billingham, wife, marr, 56, b Dudley Maryan Billingham, dau, unmarr, 19, b Rowley, chainmaker John Billingham, son, unmarr, 17, b Rowley, chainmaker Notes for Mary Gill In the baptismal register her mother's nickname "Selvy" is used. Notes for Henry (Child 4) 1881 Census. 31 Tibbetts Garden, Rowley Regis, Stafford PRO Ref: RG11. Piece / Folio: 2861 / 155. Page 50: Henry Billingham, head, marr, 28, b Rowley, Chainmaker Ruth Billingham, wife, marr, 26, b Rowley, chainmaker Amy Billingham, dau, 10, b Rowley, scholar John Billingham, son, 8, b Rowley, scholar Henry Billingham, son, b Rowley, scholar Edward Billingham, son, 3, b Rowley, scholar Lottie Billingham, dau, 5 mths, b Rowley Notes for Alfred (Child 7) 1881 Census 31 Tibbetts Garden, Rowley Regis, Stafford PRO Ref: RG11. Piece / Folio: 2861 / 155. Page 50: Alfred Billingham, head, marr, 22, b Rowley, chainmaker Polly Billingham, wife, marr, 21, b Rowley Joseph Billingham, son, 3 mths, b Rowley

THIS IS THE MESSAGE FROM THE GOB SITE    I did get the notifications last night around 11pm that bulk comments had been made, as you say there were around 150 plus of them. I attempted to remove the member and their comments to find I had been beaten to it so tar me wench for being so quick off the mark. The Gallery security is tight in order to prevent any malicious damage to the images which is why we could solve the issue pretty much instantly but the forum is even tighter. 1) Each account that is opened has to go through TWO captcha screens. These are the number /letter screens that prove you are human and not an automated spammer. 2) Whilst the account is being set up the IP address is checked against our forum files automatically and also those of an international spam system called stop that spam. If the account is on that list then it is flagged to me and refused entry. 3)IF your account is allowed then your account is flagged as a new account. this is then monitored for a period of time to ensure you are not a spammer/hacker and to see your intentions towards the forum. 4) As a new account there are limits placed on your account such as using PM's, posting signatures,posting images sharing data. 5) For all members and staff there is the automatic spam filter which scans every single post or PM for words or phrases which are logged into the spam filter. If any of these phrases appear then the post is disallowed until it is checked. 6) The forum is automatically backed up each day so that we have a record of the most recent version of the forum and with over 25,000 posts thats no mean feat. It's a sad world when you need to do all of this on just a small community forum but as we all know if we don't we could well end up losing everything so it may be a pain to join us, it may be that your post gets rejected every now and then for something silly and it may be that you fall victim of our forum rules sometimes but in the end it's only here to protect the forum. Life is not about winning

Cassy, it's that daft Black Country Gob site, I received two messages the same as Dot, just ignore it.  Linda. --- On Thu, 29/10/09, cassy <[email protected]> wrote: From: cassy <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Loss of accounts To: "Dot Keck" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 7:17 PM Hi Dot Its a scan , , some  people  only write to the list  when its one of there family names , I will check with Dave  to be sure  but I am certain  its another scan Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton  Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dot Keck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: [Black Country] Loss of accounts >I saw two emails yesterday saying our accounts would be taken away if we >didn't send an occasional  message to Black Country web site.  Is this a >scam?  I don't email very often but I check the site out every day and copy >the info that I need. > > Thanks. > > Dot in Montana > > [email protected] > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.36/2465 - Release Date: 10/28/09 09:34:00 ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Going back some years people did not always have a birth certificate.I know of case where a person definitely did not have a birth certificate. This lady knew where she was born and the year 1890. She was due a retirement pension in 1950, but could not produce a birth certificate, so could not claim it. Eventually it was agreed that her birth had not been registered, because in the meantime she had been christened and there were church records, she had been married and had her marriage certificate, she was on the electoral roll, she held a valid identity card and had ration books etc issued during the war, yet officially she did not exist because her father had not registered her birth. Eventually and I think it took about two years a birth certificate was issued retrospectively. Ted

Yes, I know of similar cases. One in the U.S., one in Leicester. My mother was born in Oklahoma Territory, before statehood, and her birth was not recorded. She was able to get a "delayed" birth certificate after having witnesses make certified statements. In Leicester, my great grandfather, born 1843, applied for and received a replacement birth certificate, claiming his was lost. He was 20 at the time. He was born illegitimate, but suddenly obtained a father on his new birth certificate. (He claimed the stepfather who threw him out for not being his.) So the possibilities expand! Cheers, Lois -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD SOUTHWICK <[email protected]> To: Pete & Lin Lamberg <[email protected]>; BC LIST <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 7:44 am Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension Going back some years people did not always have a birth certificate.I know of case where a person definitely did not have a birth certificate. This lady knew where she was born and the year 1890. She was due a retirement pension in 1950, but could not produce a birth certificate, so could not claim it. Eventually it was agreed that her birth had not been registered, because in the meantime she had been christened and there were church records, she had been married and had her marriage certificate, she was on the electoral roll, she held a valid identity card and had ration books etc issued during the war, yet officially she did not exist because her father had not registered her birth. Eventually and I think it took about two years a birth certificate was issued retrospectively. Ted ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you over the years Black Country List - I've just loved it. Still read it but haven't chirped up in later times. Have always felt part of the area even though my great-grandparents left West Brom in 1887. Last fling - Joseph GROOM (Izons Buildings 1841 Census), *William Groom, married Nancy HURLEY, father Samuel Hurley (born Oldbury) & about 30 years in Lyttleton St John PRICE, (born Dudley - lived High Street, West Bromwich for many years) - married Jane Jenkins in London 1853. Moses BILLINGHAM, married Nancy Ashton 1805 (widow) West Brom Thomas COOPER (Barr St, Birm) married Sarah Price - lived Barr St & Key Hill, Birm. Robert and Hannah BEDDALL, Bordesley St, Birm (nee Groom) *William GROOM after Nancy Hurley died, married Eliza SARGENT (24 years his junior) William OLARENSHAW, married Eliza Billingham - Bromford Lane in 1841 Census 1841 Census - Mary GROOM (76yrs) living with son at Izons Buildings, Oldbury. Not expecting a thing, but you never know. Best wishes all Jan (NZ)

I saw two emails yesterday saying our accounts would be taken away if we didn't send an occasional message to Black Country web site. Is this a scam? I don't email very often but I check the site out every day and copy the info that I need. Thanks. Dot in Montana [email protected]