Lyn Mr Google reveals this: 1949 23rd September. Formal opening of Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood, as a hostel for college Students by Mr. George Tomlinson, Minister of Education. http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:-0ow4OWtKxMJ:www.localhistory.scit.wlv ac.uk/history/chronology/1940to1949 htm+tor+lodge+tettenhall+wood&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk I know its later than the period you are looking at but perhaps the Express and Star (newspaper) achieves may have something? http://www.expressandstar.com/ Steve Researching Basterfields everywhere -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 11/19/09 08:00:05 To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 Today's Topics: 1. FW: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS (lynn yates) 2. Kellys directorys (cassy) 3. Re: Kellys directorys ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:12:27 -0000 From: "lynn yates" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] FW: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS To: <[email protected]> Cc: Black Country <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lynn yates Sent: 05 August 2009 12:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS Hi everyone, Re-posting my interests in two parts of my family history: Samuel Ingram 1823-1900 Corn Merchant married Hannah Stephenson 1828-1905 Family lived at The Elms, Penn Road, W-ton and had children:- William Stephenson Ingram, Isabella Ward Ingram, Samuel Ingram, Jessie Hannah Ingram, Elizabeth Ingram, Alice Mary Ingram, Eliza Ward Ingram, Laura Ingram. Henry Richard John Denton 1835-(?) Agricultural Engineer married Mary Stephenson 1836-1910 Family lived firstly at Compton Hall (now Compton Hospice) and later at Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood, W-ton and had children:- Harry Stephenson Denton, Jessica Denton, Ethel Josephine Denton, Richard Angrave Denton. After much searching, I have been unable to locate any photographs of either The Elms, Penn Road which stood where Carols Garage is now situated - or of Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood which is behind The Mount Hotel. Wolverhampton Archives do not hold any photographs of either property. Any help would be appreciated. Lynn Yates - Mid Wales ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:08:17 -0000 From: "cassy" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Hi All I am trying to find a coal merchant named George Hickman's from the early 1900+ in Kelly's Directives , In the directives for 1932 the firm had already been taken over by R B Tudor, Albion Wharf West Bromwich , , the buildings are still there but dropping apart , its at the side of the canal by J S Lee's I am sure allot of you who come from West Bromwich had coal from there has it was one of the big coal merchants in its day My hubbies gr grandparent George Hickman's used to own it and according to what my mother in law always said when her grandfather was called up for WW1 the person he left in charge, sent it bankrupt I am trying to sort this out has to me George Hickman was to old to be in WW1 , mother in law also said that his wife hanged herself on the loo after they went bankrupt because of the same With the dates I have for deaths and ages at birth none of it makes sense So if any one has any Kelly's Directories with this coal merchants in or when R B T udor first started I might be about to sort some of it out Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:10:28 +0000 (GMT) From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: cassy <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain Cassy, I found an entry for my 3x great grandfather's bankruptcy in the London Times (or it may have been the London Gazette...), which came as a complete shock to me! For the Times, you need to get on www.times.co.uk and in the Search box type "Archive", which will take you to their archive site, from there you can search for your ancestor. For the Gazette, I think you need to search for "Gazette Gateway" which is the site for the London, Belfast and Edinburgh Gazettes. These are the "papers of public record": if someone gets a medal it is announced in here, or if there's a bankruptcy it's announced in there. It's worth a try, because you might be able to trace a date, and then a local newspaper report, which usually gives ages! Hope this helps -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 *************************************************

Hi Cassy Have you tried Historical Directories Online? (Link below). They're brill http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ Lesley ________________________________ -------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:08:17 -0000 From: "cassy" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Hi All I am trying to find a coal merchant named George Hickman's from the early 1900+ in Kelly's Directives , In the directives for 1932 the firm had already been taken over by R B Tudor, Albion Wharf West Bromwich , , the buildings are still there but dropping apart , its at the side of the canal by J S Lee's I am sure allot of you who come from West Bromwich had coal from there has it was one of the big coal merchants in its day My hubbies gr grandparent George Hickman's used to own it and according to what my mother in law always said when her grandfather was called up for WW1 the person he left in charge, sent it bankrupt I am trying to sort this out has to me George Hickman was to old to be in WW1 , mother in law also said that his wife hanged herself on the loo after they went bankrupt because of the same With the dates I have for deaths and ages at birth none of it makes sense So if any one has any Kelly's Directories with this coal merchants in or when R B T udor first started I might be about to sort some of it out Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists - *************************************************

Cassy, I found an entry for my 3x great grandfather's bankruptcy in the London Times (or it may have been the London Gazette...), which came as a complete shock to me! For the Times, you need to get on www.times.co.uk and in the Search box type "Archive", which will take you to their archive site, from there you can search for your ancestor. For the Gazette, I think you need to search for "Gazette Gateway" which is the site for the London, Belfast and Edinburgh Gazettes. These are the "papers of public record": if someone gets a medal it is announced in here, or if there's a bankruptcy it's announced in there. It's worth a try, because you might be able to trace a date, and then a local newspaper report, which usually gives ages! Hope this helps -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Hi All I am trying to find a coal merchant named George Hickman's from the early 1900+ in Kelly's Directives , In the directives for 1932 the firm had already been taken over by R B Tudor, Albion Wharf West Bromwich , , the buildings are still there but dropping apart , its at the side of the canal by J S Lee's I am sure allot of you who come from West Bromwich had coal from there has it was one of the big coal merchants in its day My hubbies gr grandparent George Hickman's used to own it and according to what my mother in law always said when her grandfather was called up for WW1 the person he left in charge, sent it bankrupt I am trying to sort this out has to me George Hickman was to old to be in WW1 , mother in law also said that his wife hanged herself on the loo after they went bankrupt because of the same With the dates I have for deaths and ages at birth none of it makes sense So if any one has any Kelly's Directories with this coal merchants in or when R B T udor first started I might be about to sort some of it out Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lynn yates Sent: 05 August 2009 12:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS Hi everyone, Re-posting my interests in two parts of my family history: Samuel Ingram 1823-1900 Corn Merchant married Hannah Stephenson 1828-1905 Family lived at The Elms, Penn Road, W-ton and had children:- William Stephenson Ingram, Isabella Ward Ingram, Samuel Ingram, Jessie Hannah Ingram, Elizabeth Ingram, Alice Mary Ingram, Eliza Ward Ingram, Laura Ingram. Henry Richard John Denton 1835-(?) Agricultural Engineer married Mary Stephenson 1836-1910 Family lived firstly at Compton Hall (now Compton Hospice) and later at Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood, W-ton and had children:- Harry Stephenson Denton, Jessica Denton, Ethel Josephine Denton, Richard Angrave Denton. After much searching, I have been unable to locate any photographs of either The Elms, Penn Road which stood where Carols Garage is now situated - or of Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood which is behind The Mount Hotel. Wolverhampton Archives do not hold any photographs of either property. Any help would be appreciated. Lynn Yates - Mid Wales ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone else experiencing problems with 192.com or am I alone in this? Sheila

> Elizabeth Mansfield Turner Baggott (b1835) > There is no death registration that would fit her Have you searched under all three surnames? Have you searched the registers or only the indexes? > She had no living children in 1869. How did you come by this information? Have you checked for the death or birth of a child during the period 1869-1871? > in 1871 Moses is living with another woman and had children with her the following year Did Moses have any children that could have been Elizabeth's? In 1871 or later? Ron S

Hi: Good news and bad news. The good news is that DoVE and MAGPIE, the projects to digitise, re-index and make available on line the GRO BMD records, are on the move again, but in a modified form. http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/1090.htm The bad news is that the pace is glacial. Initial contracts won't be let for another year. Paul

Hi All, We are attempting to find out what happened to Elizabeth Mansfield Turner Baggott (b1835), wife of Moses Baggott (b1829) after 1869. They were from Wednesbury and Darlaston, but had moved, after the murder of his first wife in late 1867, to Sheffield, where they married in 1869. In 1871 Moses is living with another woman and had children with her the following year. He did not marry the new woman (Harriet) until 1878. So we are trying to figure out what happened to Elizabeth. There is no death registration that would fit her. We don't find her in later census records. We think she came from money, or relatively so, as she always had servants. She had no living children in 1869. Could they have divorced? Where could we look for a divorce record? One theory is that Moses waited until Elizabeth was dead so that he was free to marry Harriet. Their marriage cert lists him as a widower. However, he was already a widower when he married Elizabeth. We are really stumped on this one. Any suggestions? Foiled again, Lois (Columbo) and her friend, Sharon (Sherlock)

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I have just looked on the Times web site and she is mentioned at the Stafford Assizes re 12thMarch 1896. Does anyone have a subscription to this site and could help me out with a copy. Thanks, Paul _________________________________________________________________ Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/

Hello Gwynne Nice to hear from you after so long. We crop up like bad pennies. Ages ago you sent me info about Cartway in Bridgnorth. I paid a visit to what I thought was the property that Thomas and Sarah lived in but apparently it had been rebuilt. But I met the owners who were very interested in my family history and even showed me around the place Thanks for the bits from the Parish Registers you did send me some of that info before but you have added a few others bits of information that I did not know. I am in contact with a relative of the Cockin's in Coventry and she told me the story of a tragic accident, but thats all I knew until your email tonight. You Wrote ' From Bridgnorth Municipal Cemetery burial book; Henry COCKIN, age 2 months, son of Thomas and Sarah COCKIN, was buried in Bridgnorth Municipal Cemetery on 23 Nov 1867. Grave No. 3028 Con.' Wonder if the grave is visible. I have walked around there some years ago. You Wrote From my own book 'Bridgnorth - News and Events between 1852 and 1900' > Facts about Bridgnorth people found in the local newspaper. Issue dated 14 > March 1896. > "In Court - Staffordshire Assizes. Bridgnorth woman Mrs Sarah COCKIN, age > 54. Mentions her two dau's Sarah, age 14, who was killed. Edith Mary, age > 17. Living next door was her son William COCKIN and his wife Harriet Ann. > Mother threw a poker at the eldest dau, missed but hit younger dau on head." Wonder if she was buried in Jeffcock Rd cemetry I wonder if the Express and Star would have some information about it. Or where else do I look. In 1901 census she was living with William and his wife in Walsall St Wolverhampton > Sarah's Parents lived on the Cartway in an inn called the Coopers Arms. I have heard of a man called Clive Gwilt that has written about the Inns of Bridgnorth do you know of him. Best wishes, Paul> > _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger onto your mobile for free http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/

Hi Paul 1901 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2680; Folio: 161; Page: 13. Image sent off-list. Velda

Just to say thanks to all those that replied on whether I should subscribe to the 1911 census on Find my Past .com I took the plunge. Now another teaser my Great Grandfathers brother Addison Cockin born in Bridgenorth about 1860 appears on the 1881 census with his family (the spelling at that time is Cockings) living in Coventry St, Wolverhampton. He then disappears and does not crop up again until the 1911 census living in St Matthews Street and has married at the age of 51 to Eliza Hughes. Can anyone shed light to what might have happened to him. Thank, Paul _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/buy/

Hi Val He died in West Brom and lived there has well , Thyme Street not sure of the spelling, but it was at the back of Dartmouth Park Ray can't remember if he was admitted to hospital has he was beaten up and died a fortnight later but when I said to him about a corners inquest he does not think there was one and it was proberly not reported anyway If he was admitted to hospital it would of been the one in Edwards Street or Hallam the old workhouse both West Brom Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 154 > Hi Cassy, > > Could the death have been registered giving his home address if he lived > (or came under) Oldbury, instead of the address where he actually died ? > > Thanks for all the good work that you do. > > Cheers > > Val > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.45/2476 - Release Date: 11/02/09 07:51:00

Hi Cassy, Could the death have been registered giving his home address if he lived (or came under) Oldbury, instead of the address where he actually died ? Thanks for all the good work that you do. Cheers Val

Who is going to set it up this year? I found it a bit of a struggle from 3000 miles away and being rather unfamiliar with the area. I made a few errors that we won't need to repeat. Mostly it was a great time and many of us have remained friends - long distance friends. I am trying to work out the details to be able to come in September 2010. Jane

Hi All Been looking for my husbands grandfathers death His name was John William Rose , he was called Jack Blood has he used to do bare knuttle fighting, and I was told he was a very nasty man with a vile temper My husbands thinks he died about 1957-8 at West Brom, he had been fighting has normal and ended up fighting with several men , he died about a fortnight later , and from what my husband remembers and he was only a kid there was no inquest But I cant seen to find a death for him , unless I have missed it ,checked from 1956-1960, the only one I can find is a John Rose aged 81 who is registered at Oldbury in 1960 , but he died either at West Brom hospital or Thyme Street West Brom so I don't think it could be the Oldbury one but the age does more or less match Can any one help or advice Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

To all those who answered my request for info on the edition of Who Do You Think You Are Magazine, my grateful thanks. Whether one manages to pull a brick from those unsurmountable brick walls and contact living descendants of our ancestors or not, it is always nice to belong to a mailing list. Kerry from Queensland, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 153 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: proof of age for pension (Polly Rubery) > 2. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 152 (lesley hampton) > 3. please don't drop me from the list ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:56:44 -0000 > From: "Polly Rubery" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension > To: <[email protected]>, "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Bryan > > Well what can I say, except I am very glad that you found it! > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Slim" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "Polly Rubery" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Black Country] proof of age for pension > > > HI Polly, > > Good of you to respond and suggest naming my candidate. > > Following you suggestion, i looked for my grandmother under her > mother's maiden name and there she was, together with a third > forename being her father's surname, in Q4 1877. > > I hope I can return the assistance one day. Many thanks. > > Bryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:27:28 +0000 (GMT) > From: lesley hampton <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue > 152 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Kerry > > I'll reply off list re magazine > > Lesley > > > > > ________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:28:51 +0000 (UTC) > From: [email protected] > Subject: [Black Country] please don't drop me from the list > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected].pa.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I don't write often but do check out the emails received. I live in the US > and am unable to get information unless someone has put something in the > email that I can go and look myself. I really appreciate it, you have no > idea. I've enjoyed reading all your story's, some of them have even given > me insight into things my Gram had said. > Thanks, > Alice > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 153 > ************************************************* >

I don't write often but do check out the emails received. I live in the US and am unable to get information unless someone has put something in the email that I can go and look myself. I really appreciate it, you have no idea. I've enjoyed reading all your story's, some of them have even given me insight into things my Gram had said. Thanks, Alice