Many thanks to Linda, Gillian, Norm and Jane for their reply to my email in regard to the above. As I have posted a query in regard to my 'brick wall' on this site before I will not go into details again except to say that I once again came up against a brick wall. I find it very hard to accept that there is no-one from my SIMPSON, MORRIS, DAVEY tree researching any of these names. Oh golly gosh! Gee whizz! Kind regards, Kerry

Hello Kerry It has to be said that reviewing records in archives is a wonderful experience but it is also extremely time consuming and would need to be planned very carefully in order to maximise the time available. Before the planning stage though, how about letting us know about your brick walls so that we can see if we can help? Kind regards Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Kerry Anne Barter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:34 AM Subject: [Black Country] Possible visit to England for research > Hi All, > Living in Australia and having come across a few brick walls with my > research, I am wondering if it is worth my while coming to England and > visiting the various Archives. > If I did decide to do this I would obviously want to see all the other > places of interest but research would be my main purpose. > I know that this is probably a more expensive way of doing things but it > would be nice to see the actual records and I am sure I would be benefit > in > many other ways from this visit. > Kind regards, > Kerry from Queensland, Australia > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: 12/01/09 19:32:00

A person you might want to communicate with is Sammi Hoy. I don't know how to contact her. Maybe she will see this and contact you. I know she is on Facebook. She came to the first reunion. I don't know if she came just to the reunion or whether she was already in the UK/Black Country at the time. She lives in Australia too. I agree with Linda Searching the records is very interesting and time consuming. This group might be able to help you more. (been there, done that - that is how I met this "crazy" group.) I have been grateful to them more than once. They are generous with their time and resources. Jane in PA, USA CLARKE, HALE, BAILEY, GRIFFITHS, SADLER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mason" <[email protected]> To: "Mrs. Kerry Anne Barter" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Black Country] Possible visit to England for research > Hello Kerry > > It has to be said that reviewing records in archives is a wonderful > experience but it is also extremely time consuming and would need to be > planned very carefully in order to maximise the time available. > > Before the planning stage though, how about letting us know about your > brick > walls so that we can see if we can help? > > Kind regards > > Linda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mrs. Kerry Anne Barter" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:34 AM > Subject: [Black Country] Possible visit to England for research > > >> Hi All, >> Living in Australia and having come across a few brick walls with my >> research, I am wondering if it is worth my while coming to England and >> visiting the various Archives. >> If I did decide to do this I would obviously want to see all the other >> places of interest but research would be my main purpose. >> I know that this is probably a more expensive way of doing things but it >> would be nice to see the actual records and I am sure I would be benefit >> in >> many other ways from this visit. >> Kind regards, >> Kerry from Queensland, Australia >> >> >> ------------------------------------- >> The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. >> Run >> by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.89/2539 - Release Date: 12/01/09 > 19:32:00 > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, Living in Australia and having come across a few brick walls with my research, I am wondering if it is worth my while coming to England and visiting the various Archives. If I did decide to do this I would obviously want to see all the other places of interest but research would be my main purpose. I know that this is probably a more expensive way of doing things but it would be nice to see the actual records and I am sure I would be benefit in many other ways from this visit. Kind regards, Kerry from Queensland, Australia

Hi, Is there SKS who can give the specifics of how a 1770s pauper burial would have differed from a non-pauper burial?l Thanks Bryan Slim

Hi Cassy They're closed for a couple of weeks, but I'll be going there as soon as they open. I'll put it on my list and have a look for you then. Maggie ======================================== Message Received: Nov 30 2009, 08:47 PM From: "cassy" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: [Black Country] EDWARD FISHERand Sarah Ammis Hi All Is anyone going to Dudley Archives and can do me a look up please Been trying to get there but been really busy I am trying to find out who the father is to a Edward Fisher , his father died before the 1841 census and his mother remarried (I think ) I am after the details of Edward Fisher marriage to Sarah Ammis , they married on the 1st November 1846 at St Thomas Dudley , Edward came from Tipton but Sarah came from Kingswinford Just need to know who Edwards father was and the name of any witness Grateful for any help Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ------------------------------------- The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://thesaltfamily.tribalpages.com/ www.familytrails.net Researching : SALT, BARKLAM/BARTLAM, LOWE, JONES, RILEY, DEAN, SAUNDERS, BURBRIDGE, BURNS, BROWN, FOSTER, HUMPHRIES, STACKHOUSE, SCANLON, SHIRLEY, WEAVER, BENNETT

Hi All Is anyone going to Dudley Archives and can do me a look up please Been trying to get there but been really busy I am trying to find out who the father is to a Edward Fisher , his father died before the 1841 census and his mother remarried (I think ) I am after the details of Edward Fisher marriage to Sarah Ammis , they married on the 1st November 1846 at St Thomas Dudley , Edward came from Tipton but Sarah came from Kingswinford Just need to know who Edwards father was and the name of any witness Grateful for any help Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

Cheers Chris - I wished I'd have thought about this yesterday when I was getting Frederick's marriage from Sandwell Archives. I'll get down there tomorrow - before they close for two weeks. Best wishes - Maggie ======================================== Message Received: Nov 26 2009, 09:12 AM From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Black Country] Frederick Martin of Oldbury On 26 Nov, Maggie Smith wrote: > I wonder if anyone has information on the Martin Family from Oldbury. > Frederick Martin is listed in the 1911 Census as an Employer, Iron > Founder, living in Bury Hill House, Rounds Green, Oldbury. > Frederick married Sarah Jane Basterfield in Christ Church, Oldbury in > 1875. > It would be lovely if I could get a picture of the house, or any > information on Frederick's company. I've looked into Kelly's, but there > are so many Frederick Martins listed, it would take ages to find him. > Many thanks - Maggie I don't think Bury Hill House is still there, but its grounds are, and now form Bury Hill Park. I think Sandwell Council have pictures on their website: www.sandwell.gov.uk and search for "Bury Hill Park". -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present http://thesaltfamily.tribalpages.com/ www.familytrails.net Researching : SALT, BARKLAM/BARTLAM, LOWE, JONES, RILEY, DEAN, SAUNDERS, BURBRIDGE, BURNS, BROWN, FOSTER, HUMPHRIES, STACKHOUSE, SCANLON, SHIRLEY, WEAVER, BENNETT

I wonder if anyone has information on the Martin Family from Oldbury. Frederick Martin is listed in the 1911 Census as an Employer, Iron Founder, living in Bury Hill House, Rounds Green, Oldbury. Frederick married Sarah Jane Basterfield in Christ Church, Oldbury in 1875. It would be lovely if I could get a picture of the house, or any information on Frederick's company. I've looked into Kelly's, but there are so many Frederick Martins listed, it would take ages to find him. Many thanks - Maggie http://thesaltfamily.tribalpages.com/ www.familytrails.net Researching : SALT, BARKLAM/BARTLAM, LOWE, JONES, RILEY, DEAN, SAUNDERS, BURBRIDGE, BURNS, BROWN, FOSTER, HUMPHRIES, STACKHOUSE, SCANLON, SHIRLEY, WEAVER, BENNETT

On 26 Nov, Maggie Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > I wonder if anyone has information on the Martin Family from Oldbury. > Frederick Martin is listed in the 1911 Census as an Employer, Iron > Founder, living in Bury Hill House, Rounds Green, Oldbury. > Frederick married Sarah Jane Basterfield in Christ Church, Oldbury in > 1875. > It would be lovely if I could get a picture of the house, or any > information on Frederick's company. I've looked into Kelly's, but there > are so many Frederick Martins listed, it would take ages to find him. > Many thanks - Maggie I don't think Bury Hill House is still there, but its grounds are, and now form Bury Hill Park. I think Sandwell Council have pictures on their website: www.sandwell.gov.uk and search for "Bury Hill Park". -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Do you know that Leicester University has put onto the web a digital library of local and trade directories for England and Wales, from 1750 to 1919. Within the digital library you'll find high quality reproductions of comparatively rare books, essential tools for research into local and genealogical history. Most counties are covered and there is usually at least one for each decade from the 1850s when separate parish besides towns were entered into the trade directories. When I have used them I have usually found the most efficient way is to find the parish in the index and then do a search on that page number - Doesn't always work but if it does - saves a lot of time. I usually do a web search on historical directories and they come up as first or second choice. Hope this is useful to you all Barbara Haner

Hello, am looking to get in touch with the Baggott Wenches, in particular "LIZ" Thanks Sandra Harper

Hi All Just to thank everyone for there help in this , Still trying to find it , but I do now know , my mother in law had got some thing really missed up Thanks again Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ----- Original Message > Hi All > I am trying to find a coal merchant named George Hickman's from the > early > 1900+ in Kelly's Directives , > In the directives for 1932 the firm had already been taken over > by R B Tudor, Albion Wharf West Bromwich , , the buildings are still > there > but > dropping apart , its at the side of the canal by J S Lee's > I am sure allot of you who come from West Bromwich had coal from there > has > it was > one of the big coal merchants in its day > My hubbies gr grandparent George Hickman's used to own it and > according > to what my mother in law always > said when her grandfather was called up for WW1 the person he left in > charge, sent it bankrupt > I am trying to sort this out has to me George Hickman was to old to be in > WW1 , mother in law also said that > his wife hanged herself on the loo after they went bankrupt because of > the > same > With the dates I have for deaths and ages at birth none of it makes > sense > So if any one has any Kelly's Directories with this coal merchants in > or > when R B T udor first started I might be about to > sort some of it out > Cheers > > Cassy > Assistant Admin Black Country > Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists > > > ------------------------------------- > The only List that specifically covers the whole of the Black Country. Run > by Black Country folk who were born and still live in the area. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All Has anyone got a William Bagnall born about 1791 , he married a Hannah Hodgkins at All Saints West Bromwich about 1813 but she died about 1826 ? Then he married Sarah Fisher nee Jones a widow about 1827 at St Thomas The lived in Tipton area but I have not got much info on him or any of his wife's Can Anyone help please Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists

Hi Steve, Many thanks for your help with my search for a photo of Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood, Wolverhampton. Good info. on it opening as a hostel. Regards, Lynn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 20 November 2009 08:00 To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 163 Today's Topics: 1. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 (Mike Browne) 2. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 (thebarmybs) 3. Re: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 (lesley hampton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:31:12 +0200 From: "Mike Browne" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAPL/Vx6Hv2JCpnhWk3P8v8jCgAAAEAAAAFL63TJMhrxEmhpVGDew [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Lynn My G.G.Grandfather William Eaton Browne lived in Penn Road in 1876. Any chance of getting a copy of those photo's? Kind Regards Mike Browne Johannesburg -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 19 November 2009 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 Today's Topics: 1. FW: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS (lynn yates) 2. Kellys directorys (cassy) 3. Re: Kellys directorys ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:12:27 -0000 From: "lynn yates" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] FW: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS To: <[email protected]> Cc: Black Country <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lynn yates Sent: 05 August 2009 12:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS Hi everyone, Re-posting my interests in two parts of my family history: Samuel Ingram 1823-1900 Corn Merchant married Hannah Stephenson 1828-1905 Family lived at The Elms, Penn Road, W-ton and had children:- William Stephenson Ingram, Isabella Ward Ingram, Samuel Ingram, Jessie Hannah Ingram, Elizabeth Ingram, Alice Mary Ingram, Eliza Ward Ingram, Laura Ingram. Henry Richard John Denton 1835-(?) Agricultural Engineer married Mary Stephenson 1836-1910 Family lived firstly at Compton Hall (now Compton Hospice) and later at Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood, W-ton and had children:- Harry Stephenson Denton, Jessica Denton, Ethel Josephine Denton, Richard Angrave Denton. After much searching, I have been unable to locate any photographs of either The Elms, Penn Road which stood where Carols Garage is now situated - or of Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood which is behind The Mount Hotel. Wolverhampton Archives do not hold any photographs of either property. Any help would be appreciated. Lynn Yates - Mid Wales ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:08:17 -0000 From: "cassy" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Hi All I am trying to find a coal merchant named George Hickman's from the early 1900+ in Kelly's Directives , In the directives for 1932 the firm had already been taken over by R B Tudor, Albion Wharf West Bromwich , , the buildings are still there but dropping apart , its at the side of the canal by J S Lee's I am sure allot of you who come from West Bromwich had coal from there has it was one of the big coal merchants in its day My hubbies gr grandparent George Hickman's used to own it and according to what my mother in law always said when her grandfather was called up for WW1 the person he left in charge, sent it bankrupt I am trying to sort this out has to me George Hickman was to old to be in WW1 , mother in law also said that his wife hanged herself on the loo after they went bankrupt because of the same With the dates I have for deaths and ages at birth none of it makes sense So if any one has any Kelly's Directories with this coal merchants in or when R B T udor first started I might be about to sort some of it out Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:10:28 +0000 (GMT) From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: cassy <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain Cassy, I found an entry for my 3x great grandfather's bankruptcy in the London Times (or it may have been the London Gazette...), which came as a complete shock to me! For the Times, you need to get on www.times.co.uk and in the Search box type "Archive", which will take you to their archive site, from there you can search for your ancestor. For the Gazette, I think you need to search for "Gazette Gateway" which is the site for the London, Belfast and Edinburgh Gazettes. These are the "papers of public record": if someone gets a medal it is announced in here, or if there's a bankruptcy it's announced in there. It's worth a try, because you might be able to trace a date, and then a local newspaper report, which usually gives ages! Hope this helps -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 ************************************************* ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:56:03 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: "thebarmybs" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lyn Mr Google reveals this: 1949 23rd September. Formal opening of Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood, as a hostel for college Students by Mr. George Tomlinson, Minister of Education. http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:-0ow4OWtKxMJ:www.localhistory.scit.wlv ac.uk/history/chronology/1940to1949 htm+tor+lodge+tettenhall+wood&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk I know its later than the period you are looking at but perhaps the Express and Star (newspaper) achieves may have something? http://www.expressandstar.com/ Steve Researching Basterfields everywhere -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 11/19/09 08:00:05 To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 Today's Topics: 1. FW: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS (lynn yates) 2. Kellys directorys (cassy) 3. Re: Kellys directorys ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:12:27 -0000 From: "lynn yates" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] FW: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS To: <[email protected]> Cc: Black Country <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lynn yates Sent: 05 August 2009 12:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS Hi everyone, Re-posting my interests in two parts of my family history: Samuel Ingram 1823-1900 Corn Merchant married Hannah Stephenson 1828-1905 Family lived at The Elms, Penn Road, W-ton and had children:- William Stephenson Ingram, Isabella Ward Ingram, Samuel Ingram, Jessie Hannah Ingram, Elizabeth Ingram, Alice Mary Ingram, Eliza Ward Ingram, Laura Ingram. Henry Richard John Denton 1835-(?) Agricultural Engineer married Mary Stephenson 1836-1910 Family lived firstly at Compton Hall (now Compton Hospice) and later at Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood, W-ton and had children:- Harry Stephenson Denton, Jessica Denton, Ethel Josephine Denton, Richard Angrave Denton. After much searching, I have been unable to locate any photographs of either The Elms, Penn Road which stood where Carols Garage is now situated - or of Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood which is behind The Mount Hotel. Wolverhampton Archives do not hold any photographs of either property. Any help would be appreciated. Lynn Yates - Mid Wales ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:08:17 -0000 From: "cassy" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Hi All I am trying to find a coal merchant named George Hickman's from the early 1900+ in Kelly's Directives , In the directives for 1932 the firm had already been taken over by R B Tudor, Albion Wharf West Bromwich , , the buildings are still there but dropping apart , its at the side of the canal by J S Lee's I am sure allot of you who come from West Bromwich had coal from there has it was one of the big coal merchants in its day My hubbies gr grandparent George Hickman's used to own it and according to what my mother in law always said when her grandfather was called up for WW1 the person he left in charge, sent it bankrupt I am trying to sort this out has to me George Hickman was to old to be in WW1 , mother in law also said that his wife hanged herself on the loo after they went bankrupt because of the same With the dates I have for deaths and ages at birth none of it makes sense So if any one has any Kelly's Directories with this coal merchants in or when R B T udor first started I might be about to sort some of it out Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:10:28 +0000 (GMT) From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: cassy <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain Cassy, I found an entry for my 3x great grandfather's bankruptcy in the London Times (or it may have been the London Gazette...), which came as a complete shock to me! For the Times, you need to get on www.times.co.uk and in the Search box type "Archive", which will take you to their archive site, from there you can search for your ancestor. For the Gazette, I think you need to search for "Gazette Gateway" which is the site for the London, Belfast and Edinburgh Gazettes. These are the "papers of public record": if someone gets a medal it is announced in here, or if there's a bankruptcy it's announced in there. It's worth a try, because you might be able to trace a date, and then a local newspaper report, which usually gives ages! Hope this helps -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 ************************************************* ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:56:00 -0800 (PST) From: lesley hampton <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Cassy Have you tried Historical Directories Online? (Link below). They're brill http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ Lesley ________________________________ -------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:08:17 -0000 From: "cassy" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Hi All I am trying to find a coal merchant named George Hickman's from the early 1900+ in Kelly's Directives , In the directives for 1932 the firm had already been taken over by R B Tudor, Albion Wharf West Bromwich , , the buildings are still there but dropping apart , its at the side of the canal by J S Lee's I am sure allot of you who come from West Bromwich had coal from there has it was one of the big coal merchants in its day My hubbies gr grandparent George Hickman's used to own it and according to what my mother in law always said when her grandfather was called up for WW1 the person he left in charge, sent it bankrupt I am trying to sort this out has to me George Hickman was to old to be in WW1 , mother in law also said that his wife hanged herself on the loo after they went bankrupt because of the same With the dates I have for deaths and ages at birth none of it makes sense So if any one has any Kelly's Directories with this coal merchants in or when R B T udor first started I might be about to sort some of it out Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists - ************************************************* ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Probably many of you know or have Black Country-Pennsylvania ancestry: Clare Peden Midgley's Allegheny County, PA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~paallegh/ I think she was listowner of the Staffordshire list before Dave, she helped me get going, migration, back in 1998, all great stuff, some of my Black Country folk went to McKeesport, PA some to Toledo Ohio (don't know why Toledo) # ARTHUR PACE - b 1863 Willenhall + Fanny ADAMS 19 Nov 1898 # WILLIAM PACE - b. 1864 Willenhall # ANNA MARIA PACE - b 1865 Willenhall + Josiah PEARSON emigrated to McKeesport, Pennsylvania * ADA * JOSIAH * ELIZABETH * LILLIAN * ANNE MARIA * SAMUEL (born in USA) # CHARLES PACE - b 1869 Willenhall # MARY Ann/Ellen PACE - b 1872 preferred to be called ELLEN + THOMAS POPE - m 1904 emigrated to McKeesport PA My grandfather's ambition was to go to where "the others" had gone in the US but he died at LETHBRIDGE Alberta before his family arrived in Canada. So here is where we stayed. Who "the others" were was always a mystery until I got going in this hobby and met great people who helped, along the way, including Dave. At Willenhall is the SQUIRE family. a Henry Squire and wife Mary Ann Pace (grandfather's aunt & uncle) came out to Lethbridge in the 1880s upon the completion of the CPRailway. Is anyone doing Squire history and their migrations? Museum of Coal Mining in Western Pennsylvania http://patheoldminer.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ McKees Rocks Genealogy and History A place to find your roots and memories! http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mckeesrocks/ Cheers, Gord Pace http://www.pacefamilyhistory.info/

Jane, Thanks so much for your most interesting words below. I live in Ontario, on the shore, north side Lake Ontario and have been interested in MIGRATION of our Black Country mining ancestors to the mining areas of Pennsylvania. Not only PA but other areas where mining went on, such as CAPE BRETON Island, off the north shore of Nova Scotia and southern ALBERTA where my grandfather was buried, Lethbridge 1926. Your words give me inspiration > There is a lot more to the study of genealogy than the listing of > names and dates. Family stories are extremely important. LUZERNE COUNTY, Pennsylvania I have driven down I-80 many times from the 1000 Islands, through the state of New York, into Pennsylvania. One trip was to WILLIAMSBURG VA. to a PACE family reunion (2000). A tank of gas/petrol took us from home in Ontario to Wilkes Barre PA. After leaving the gas station, heading back to the I-80, I mentioned there were likely descendents of coal miners from STAFFORDSHIRE living in this Pennsylvania area because this is coal mining area. No sooner had I said, we came to a stop sign and I gave a look at street signs. GUESS WHAT? It was STAFFORD STREET. Rowland http://homepage.mac.com/vagoughs/genealogy/page20/page20.html Jane Wettstone wrote: > Dear Group & Dave, > > The rest of the story about my meeting Dave, his wife Jo and daughter Anne > is that Dave had been helping me locate people and places. > > On a basic rootsweb list I innocently asked where Upper Gornal was. > Actually it wasn't so innocent, I hadn't been getting any responses and I > thought that might stir up some comment. The first reply was from a clever > lad who said it was just above Lower Gornal. The second reply was from Dave > who typed " I am sitting in my office over looking the lights of Upper > Gornal. What do you want to know?" We corresponded for at least a year > before I built up the courage to show up in the Black Country again. Again > because I had been on a narrowboat holiday with my husband and friends and > had visited the Black Country Museum and the limestone mine in 1996. Dave > helped me find out that my great grandfather had worked in that mine. > During our conversations and conversations with others, Dave decided he > would start the Rootsweb Black Country List which has flourished ever since. > > Supper at The Lion was interesting because I could see similarities in the > landscape between Western Pennsylvania and the area between Wolverhampton > and The Lion. My grandparents emigrated to a coal mining and iron, then > steel making area of Pennsylvania from the coal mining, iron making area of > England. The land forms are similar as are the flora and fauna. > > There is a lot more to the study of genealogy than the listing of names and > dates. Family stories are extremely important. That is why our BC list is > set up to allow that to happen. Thank you Dave. > > Not sure I can make it to the reunion. Economy is not great over here. I > will try. I remember setting up lots of things from a very long distance > and was grateful for help from many folks. You know who you are and I hope > you know how grateful I was and still am that it all worked out. Through > the process I found friends for life at a reunion of people who had never > met before. I have cousins in Wolverhampton and Penkridge that I see now > and again. > > I am shocked about Phil's death. He was a great addition to that first > reunion. > > Jane > nb WishIwashomeintheBCagain > (I love narrowboats and my signature usually reflects that) I have some photos of the longboats in south Staffordshire, near Cannock and even had dinner in one, a relative was living in a longboat at Coventry. Maybe I will make up another slide show for my web pages, showing the long-boats. Perhaps you'd like some of your boat photos included in this too. Anyway, I'm glad to read your words above. Gord Pace in Ontario

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Mill lane found on OS 1901 'large' map sold at Brierley Hill library; whereas the Godfrey Brierley Hill (East) Sts 71.07 second edition 1903 shows the same rd as Mill street. Reference to Mill lane is also noted in Genuki, Sts, for an Independent chapel in Brierley Hill, built 1837 on Mill lane. Thanks Bryan Slim Vancouver, Canada

Hi Lynn My G.G.Grandfather William Eaton Browne lived in Penn Road in 1876. Any chance of getting a copy of those photo's? Kind Regards Mike Browne Johannesburg -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 19 November 2009 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 Today's Topics: 1. FW: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS (lynn yates) 2. Kellys directorys (cassy) 3. Re: Kellys directorys ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:12:27 -0000 From: "lynn yates" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] FW: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS To: <[email protected]> Cc: Black Country <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of lynn yates Sent: 05 August 2009 12:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [WOLVERHAMPTON] RE-POSTING INTERESTS Hi everyone, Re-posting my interests in two parts of my family history: Samuel Ingram 1823-1900 Corn Merchant married Hannah Stephenson 1828-1905 Family lived at The Elms, Penn Road, W-ton and had children:- William Stephenson Ingram, Isabella Ward Ingram, Samuel Ingram, Jessie Hannah Ingram, Elizabeth Ingram, Alice Mary Ingram, Eliza Ward Ingram, Laura Ingram. Henry Richard John Denton 1835-(?) Agricultural Engineer married Mary Stephenson 1836-1910 Family lived firstly at Compton Hall (now Compton Hospice) and later at Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood, W-ton and had children:- Harry Stephenson Denton, Jessica Denton, Ethel Josephine Denton, Richard Angrave Denton. After much searching, I have been unable to locate any photographs of either The Elms, Penn Road which stood where Carols Garage is now situated - or of Tor Lodge, Tettenhall Wood which is behind The Mount Hotel. Wolverhampton Archives do not hold any photographs of either property. Any help would be appreciated. Lynn Yates - Mid Wales ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:08:17 -0000 From: "cassy" <[email protected]> Subject: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Hi All I am trying to find a coal merchant named George Hickman's from the early 1900+ in Kelly's Directives , In the directives for 1932 the firm had already been taken over by R B Tudor, Albion Wharf West Bromwich , , the buildings are still there but dropping apart , its at the side of the canal by J S Lee's I am sure allot of you who come from West Bromwich had coal from there has it was one of the big coal merchants in its day My hubbies gr grandparent George Hickman's used to own it and according to what my mother in law always said when her grandfather was called up for WW1 the person he left in charge, sent it bankrupt I am trying to sort this out has to me George Hickman was to old to be in WW1 , mother in law also said that his wife hanged herself on the loo after they went bankrupt because of the same With the dates I have for deaths and ages at birth none of it makes sense So if any one has any Kelly's Directories with this coal merchants in or when R B T udor first started I might be about to sort some of it out Cheers Cassy Assistant Admin Black Country Potteries, and Wolverhampton Lists ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:10:28 +0000 (GMT) From: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Black Country] Kellys directorys To: cassy <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain Cassy, I found an entry for my 3x great grandfather's bankruptcy in the London Times (or it may have been the London Gazette...), which came as a complete shock to me! For the Times, you need to get on www.times.co.uk and in the Search box type "Archive", which will take you to their archive site, from there you can search for your ancestor. For the Gazette, I think you need to search for "Gazette Gateway" which is the site for the London, Belfast and Edinburgh Gazettes. These are the "papers of public record": if someone gets a medal it is announced in here, or if there's a bankruptcy it's announced in there. It's worth a try, because you might be able to trace a date, and then a local newspaper report, which usually gives ages! Hope this helps -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 162 *************************************************