Elizabeth hope your arm gets better soon. Other than buying the certificate or finding them on the census, the only other way I know of establishing parents for births and infant deaths is through the parish registers if they exist and if the entry has been made. I see that Richard RANDLE married Charlotte BREWER in Banbury 3Q 1855 but that they were in Birmingham in the 1861 census with no children of their only, only Ephraim RANDELL from a previous marriage. Have you checked the Banbury registers to see if they had any children that were born/died there between 1855-61 ? I don't know anything about Birmingham registers despite teh fact that I was born there. I know there is a family history group. Your Louisa RANDALL could be 1864 Birmingham 3Q 6d 43. regards Jon Malings County Wexford, Ireland From: donlizw@netspace.net.au > To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:43:59 +1000 > Subject: [BAN] RANDLE/RANDELL/RANDALL > > apol for all lower case - my left arm is imobile following surgery. > > i am trying to find the birth of charles, benjamin, george and louisa born to richard and charlotte who married 1n 1855. > > louisa' death cert states she was born in birmingham circa 1864/5 - my estimation is may- june 1865 - i can't see a match. she died in australia age 79 years in 1944 - was married in aust aged 18 in 1882. > > i am looking for george in aust. the next brother thomas was born in Tasmania in 1867, > > 1861 uk census has family unit has parents plus a son ephraim from richards earliar marriage. > > i have been looking for children born between apr 1861 and 1867 although they could have been born and died between 1855 - 1861 as the chidren in australia were born 1867, possibly george here, 1872,1874 1878. > > is there anyway one can determine parents before sending for certificates? > > > thanks elizabeth > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elizabeth, Jon Mailings wrote: > >I see that Richard RANDLE married Charlotte BREWER in Banbury 3Q 1855 but > >that they were in Birmingham in the 1861 census with no children of their > >only, only Ephraim RANDELL from a previous marriage. Have you checked > >the Banbury registers to see if they had any children that were born/died > >there between 1855-61 ?>> I checked the OFHS Banbury Registration District PR's for OXF and didn't find Richard & Charlotte's marriage. The Banbury Reg. Dist. has several parishes in WAR & NTH. You may want to send for their marriage cert. But, I did find Ephraim's bapt; OFHS Banbury St. Mary PR's: bapt: 24 Oct 1852 RANDLE Ephraim s Richard & Ann, Blue Pig Yard, lab marr: 21 Apr 1851 xRANDLE Richard 21 bach lab Horse Fair s Charles lab xGIBBS Ann 19 Horse Fair d James lab wit: George BEERE xSusanna WICKSON bur: 27 Nov 1853 RANDLE Ann 22 Horse Fair OFHS 1851 Census Banbury HO 107/1734 folio 391 Blue Pig Yard Ann RANDLE Head W 62 Pauper Oxon Deddington Richard " Son U 21 Mason's lab " Shutford John KIRTLAND Lodger U 28 " " " Neithrop Ann GIBBS Visitor U 19 " Deddington OFHS Shutford PR's: bapt: 9 May 1830 RANDLE Richard s Charles, weaver & Ann 21 Oct 1832 " Ann Elizabeth s " " " OFHS Deddington PR's: marr: 24 Feb 1829 RANDLE Charles of Shutford WILKINS x Anne otp wit: John FRENCH ( only ) banns bapt: 8 Jan 1832 GIBBS Ann d James & Alice, lab marr: 22 Apr 1828 GIBBS x James BONEHAM x Alice botp wit: William SKILLMAN ( only ) banns bapt: 19 Jul 1807 GIBBS James s James & Mary 31 Jan 1808 BONEHAM Alice d John & Susannah HTH, Bill Watson

> I don't know anything about Birmingham registers despite teh fact that I > was born there. I know there is a family history group. Your Louisa > RANDALL could be 1864 Birmingham 3Q 6d 43. > Its called the BMSGH, Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry. You will find their website with the aid of google. They have an enquiry service. Phil

Hi Elizabeth This may help or not!? Following on from Jon's info below, if that is your couple in the 1861 census .. Charlotte BREWER bapt @ St Mary Banbury 12/2/1837 do Thomas & Alice, North Bar, whitesmith. Ephraim RANDLE bapt @ St Mary Banbury 24/10/1852 so Richard & Anne, Blue Pig Yard, labr. There is this marriage at Banbury 21/4/1851 Richard RANDLE, 21, Horsefair so Charles & Anne GIBBS, 19, Horsefair do James. This burial 27/11/1853 RANDLE Ann 22y, Horsefair Can't see any records for a Richard RANDLE etc baptising offspring in Banbury after Ephraim in 1852. Ephraim is quite an unusual name so don't know if you may find a connection here - but there are several generations of Ephraim RANDLE's at Bloxham? Angela co admin Banbury > I see that Richard RANDLE married Charlotte BREWER in Banbury 3Q 1855 but > that they were in Birmingham in the 1861 census with no children of their > only, only Ephraim RANDELL from a previous marriage. Have you checked the > Banbury registers to see if they had any children that were born/died > there between 1855-61 ? > Jon Malings

thanks for everyone's help. I will follow up some of the leads. My information re seeking information on the "missing" children Benjamin, Charles, George & Louisa relates to info on one of Richards children born in Victoria Australia in 1874. Victorian (my states in Aus) birth certificates lists siblings - very helpful. I have sent to the UK for a certificate for George and Louisa both born in Birmingham UK Might add to the puzzle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANGELA ALLEN" <angela.allen72@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 5:07 AM Subject: [BAN] RANDLE/RANDELL

thanks for the reply - how do i fimd/access the parish register by email? is it possible? i found louisa too today and have sent off for the certificate. its the chidren born in the uk to charlotte & richard before they sailed to australia Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Malings" <jon_malings@hotmail.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] RANDLE/RANDELL/RANDALL > > > > Jon Malings > > County Wexford, Ireland > > > > > > From: donlizw@netspace.net.au >> To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:43:59 +1000 >> Subject: [BAN] RANDLE/RANDELL/RANDALL >> >> apol for all lower case - my left arm is imobile following surgery. >> >> i am trying to find the birth of charles, benjamin, george and louisa >> born to richard and charlotte who married 1n 1855. >> >> louisa' death cert states she was born in birmingham circa 1864/5 - my >> estimation is may- june 1865 - i can't see a match. she died in australia >> age 79 years in 1944 - was married in aust aged 18 in 1882. >> >> i am looking for george in aust. the next brother thomas was born in >> Tasmania in 1867, >> >> 1861 uk census has family unit has parents plus a son ephraim from >> richards earliar marriage. >> >> i have been looking for children born between apr 1861 and 1867 although >> they could have been born and died between 1855 - 1861 as the chidren in >> australia were born 1867, possibly george here, 1872,1874 1878. >> >> is there anyway one can determine parents before sending for >> certificates? >> >> >> thanks elizabeth >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message