Thanks for the input Bill. I have no parents for the Thomas Daniel found in Chipping Warden 1841 and 1851 -- and only a mile away from Aston le Walls. Hmm. Every instinct tells me there was another set of William & Jane parents, but the children form such a nice orderly sequence, where does one draw a line? Jane Waddom died in 1929, hopefully not in labour. Possibly because of my nefarious youth I also considered whether some of them were grand children being explained away? [I've sent the nefarious youth away, we don't need his sort in this group ...] -- Joe Firefox & Thunderbird portals Sunbelt & Avast protection