u with Umlaut - ü - is alt 0252. Character map is supplied with windows under Accessories I think (I keep it on the worktop). Possibly under Applications if it isn't. I use it an awful lot for accents etc, but cannot find a r with a 'v' accent on anywhere (as in Dvorák). If anyone knows of a font that has it, I would be very grateful. Thanks, Ian Up to his eyes in card and paper.