Hi Nivard I am still not fully aware of protocol in responding so hope I am not breaching ethics of the eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Last August you emailed me information re 1861 UK Census and Richard Randell, Charlotte Randell and Ephraim. At the time I thought Ephraim wasn't a family name and put it aside. Just recently I got Ephraim's birth certificate and lo and behold his parents were Richard Randle and Ann Gibbs, more importantly they lived at of Blue Pig Yard, Banbury - the same address as Richard was in the 1851 censu. Jackpot, so thank you. In the process of exploring options I have a UK Marriage Cert and a Birth Cert. that aren't mine - I am happy to provide them to someone can you help - will mail to UK (I am in Australia). Cheers Elizabeth