Anyone any idea how I can guess the price of farm live and dead stock in the 1860's ? I've got an auction notice 1861 detailing the stock of Samuel Malings who is leaving Hungrill Farm, Launton, (347 Capital Sheep, 17 Cattle, 32 Pigs 11 horses, farming implements etc. etc.) Anyone know what volume/weight a "Tod of Wool" is? There are 50 of those. Anyone got any salt/grit they can send over? Thanks Jon Malings A quite snowy Wexford, Ireland _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Carol. A snippett "Reminiscences of Old Banbury" >Thomas.Ward BOSS (1903) Banbury CROSS was bult in the Horsefair in 1858-9 " The foundation stone was laid in April 1859.- the cross reached it's height of 52 ft and 6 inches in July when Thomas Ward BOSS added the gilt cross at the top.". betty

Hi Denise Thank you so much for offering to check for photo of Thomas Ward. I have checked my information again and it says that the mechanics institute now the Banbury where a picture of its founder Thomas Ward Boss hangs to this day. Hope this is correct. I did visit Banbury early last year on my quest for family history, but did not have this info at the time. I live in Harrow so not that far away. No rush, hope the snow soon clears (forecast says about another week). If the picture is there I hope to come down to Banbury again later in the year. Thanks once again Carol

Thank you everyone who replied with info. on Thomas Ward Boss, although much of it I already have your help is much appreciated. The comments about why Thomas's father was left to end his days in the workhouse. I also wondered about this, however I have been told that the reason is probably this. Thomas's uncle"Tom" had two children with his future wife before they were old enough to marry, although they did eventually marry this was not enough to legitimise the children. After his wife died the family were split up and although I think his sons were taken in by the church and educated, his daughters turned to crime and prostitution. Thomas's own father John ended up in the workhouse with his brother Tom. Thomas was given the the 2nd name Ward (his mother's maiden name so as not to confuse him with his uncle Tom. When Thomas Ward became Sergeant-at-mace holding this position, it is possible that he could not have anything to do with those involved in crime even his own family. This may or may not be the case, however it is very sad anyway that his father and Uncle should end their days this way. One last point Thomas Ward did have a brother Edward if I remember, he was also quite well off perhaps he felt unable to help as well. Could something similar have happened in the SEWELL family. Best wishes Carol.

I don;t think so want to try again. hartwell.s@comcast.net

Another Boss for your interest !!    Here's what a possible descendant had to say !!  I can remember Mr. Johnny Boss he worked at Alcan -    John Boss Description John Boss settled in Grimsbury when he married, his children at local schools, he was later a school governor. Has had various jobs, was Labour local councillor 1974-1991, serving on Planning, Environment and Health committees. Talks about the history of Grimsbury, an ancient settlement separate from Banbury. Life in the past: the swimming place in the river, thatched cottages outside the Manor gates, shops and bakehouses that have disappeared, the yards where poorer people lived, the Midland Tar Distillers works (in Banbury from 1920's) at which his father worked, the absorption of chemicals eventually leading to his death from cancer. In the past Banbury was owned by lawyers and bankers. On the whole the town has changed for the better - otherwise it would have died.   Shall we discuss !   Oh er  !! --- On Fri, 8/1/10, Carol Burgess <carolaburgess@googlemail.com> wrote: From: Carol Burgess <carolaburgess@googlemail.com> Subject: [BAN] Thomas Ward Boss To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 16:50 Hi Happy new year to everyone.  I have been told that there is a picture/photo of Thomas Ward Boss hanging in the Banbury Library.  Can anyone confirm this.  The gentleman al] Thomas Ward Bossthough not in my direct line is in my family tree I have been told all about him and that he was prominent in Banbury life during the 1800s.  I have a not terribly good photo of a Tom Boss which was emailed to me by a lady who I correspond with on ancestry.co.uk. I wonder if this is the same Thomas Ward Boss. Best wishes to all Carol. Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will have a look for you Carol when I next go to Town, as our roads have not been gritted with salt or we have had no snow clearance in the Banbury area - which is disgraceful, I cannot say when I will go, but will certainly check it out and the Town Hall -   Rgds Denise --- On Fri, 8/1/10, Carol Burgess <carolaburgess@googlemail.com> wrote: From: Carol Burgess <carolaburgess@googlemail.com> Subject: [BAN] Thomas Ward Boss To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 16:50 Hi Happy new year to everyone.  I have been told that there is a picture/photo of Thomas Ward Boss hanging in the Banbury Library.  Can anyone confirm this.  The gentleman al] Thomas Ward Bossthough not in my direct line is in my family tree I have been told all about him and that he was prominent in Banbury life during the 1800s.  I have a not terribly good photo of a Tom Boss which was emailed to me by a lady who I correspond with on ancestry.co.uk. I wonder if this is the same Thomas Ward Boss. Best wishes to all Carol. Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christine, I sent you a letter sometime ago off line did you receive it Dawn -----Original Message----- From: eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve & Christine Hartwell Sent: 08 January 2010 9:43 PM To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAN] Sewell family I notice you mentioned Sewell family from Banbury, it is one of the lines I have plans on researching. What timeline are yours? Christine Hartwell Oregon USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "M HOWES" <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] Thomas Ward Boss I will have a look for you Carol when I next go to Town, as our roads have not been gritted with salt or we have had no snow clearance in the Banbury area - which is disgraceful, I cannot say when I will go, but will certainly check it out and the Town Hall - Rgds Denise Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A little more on Thomas Ward Boss - the Boss family being a very old Banburyshire family with one or two ending their days in the old workhouse !  Thomas Ward Boss seems to have been a *little luckier* than some of his relations ! In 1871, if I have my research correct, his father is in the workhouse, a pauper !!  Why !!  The same happened with my Sewell family, a relatively well off family, several daughters and a son, but their father was left in the workhouse - why didn't they take care of their elderly relatives !    Thomas Ward Boss, son of John and Amelia Boss, was born in 1825 and baptised at the Presbyterian meeting house on 5 April 1826.  He was eleven years younger than George Herbert and spent most of his life in Banbury, much of it as Librarian of the Mechanics' Institute.  He provides spendidly detailed accounts of many aspects of life in the town in the 1830's and 40's, of the London wagons that conveyed the agricultural produce of Banburyshire to London in the years before railways opened, of the Captain Swing Riots of 1830, although he was aged only five at the time, and of disorderly parliamentary elections.  He provided many precise topographical details.  He records his pride when, at the age of 13, he carried a flag in the procession celebrating Queen Victoria's coronation, and when he took part in the first canvas to raise money for the new Banbury Cross.  He had a wonderful memory for significant details, recalling the storage of wood under the arches of the old town hall in the Market Place for the annual bonfire on 5 Novemeber and a temperance lecture in 1837 in the schoolroom on The Green, then used ......................   Happy New Year to all -- and happy hunting       --- On Fri, 8/1/10, ANGELA ALLEN <angela.allen72@btinternet.com> wrote: From: ANGELA ALLEN <angela.allen72@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [BAN] Thomas Ward Boss To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 8 January, 2010, 18:13 Hi Carol Thomas Ward Boss was a sergeant-at-mace along with Daniel Dixon 1858-80 in Banbury. A sergeant-at-mace was usually chosen from respected tradesmen/police of a town. >From bap entries TWB was also in business as stationer. One of the roles S at M performed was as inspector of weights & measures (Then - far more important than it sounds now) Not sure abt the picture hanging in Banbury - if not the library try the town hall. Google his name & info on him/his position as S at M can be found Angela co admin Banbury I have been told that there is a > picture/photo of Thomas Ward Boss hanging in the Banbury Library. >I have been told all about him and that > he was prominent in Banbury life during the 1800s. Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I notice you mentioned Sewell family from Banbury, it is one of the lines I have plans on researching. What timeline are yours? Christine Hartwell Oregon USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "M HOWES" <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] Thomas Ward Boss I will have a look for you Carol when I next go to Town, as our roads have not been gritted with salt or we have had no snow clearance in the Banbury area - which is disgraceful, I cannot say when I will go, but will certainly check it out and the Town Hall - Rgds Denise

Hi Carol Thomas Ward Boss was a sergeant-at-mace along with Daniel Dixon 1858-80 in Banbury. A sergeant-at-mace was usually chosen from respected tradesmen/police of a town. >From bap entries TWB was also in business as stationer. One of the roles S at M performed was as inspector of weights & measures (Then - far more important than it sounds now) Not sure abt the picture hanging in Banbury - if not the library try the town hall. Google his name & info on him/his position as S at M can be found Angela co admin Banbury I have been told that there is a > picture/photo of Thomas Ward Boss hanging in the Banbury Library. >I have been told all about him and that > he was prominent in Banbury life during the 1800s.

Hi Happy new year to everyone. I have been told that there is a picture/photo of Thomas Ward Boss hanging in the Banbury Library. Can anyone confirm this. The gentleman al] Thomas Ward Bossthough not in my direct line is in my family tree I have been told all about him and that he was prominent in Banbury life during the 1800s. I have a not terribly good photo of a Tom Boss which was emailed to me by a lady who I correspond with on ancestry.co.uk. I wonder if this is the same Thomas Ward Boss. Best wishes to all Carol.

Joe Not really your Q,, but may be of interest. being the area..Appletree /Ch Warden Adding just a little bit more to the ??? BERRY / FARMER. There is another marriage Thomas BERRY...=.. SARAH FARMER ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thomas BERRY ..m.. Sarah FARMER .. 4th March 1785 .. Chipping Warden. Their children. all bapt. Chipping Warden. Elizabeth .....bapt......28th Aug 1785 William.....................30th Sep 1787 Sussanah..................10th Apri 1789 John..........................7th Nov...1790 Alice........................25th Nov 1792 Samuel.....................12th Oct 1794 Thomas....................15th Mar..1797 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1841 Census Ch. Warden. Thomas BERRY age 75 William.....................55 Sam.........................50 Alice........................40 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A Snippet. Ref: JANE dau of Thomas & Hannah... 1901 census Cropredy s Head aged 92.... born Appletree... (she died 1905..). betty, . `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` one of my ARIS from Middleton Cheney married a Mary GARRETT from Chipping Warden Parents of Mary GARRETT were Joseph GARRETT & Elizabeth FARMER who married 1792 Possible Hannah could of been a younger sister to Elizabeth? Several of mine from the Banburyshire area also moved towards Coventry/Leicester Angela The parents of James Berry are believed to have been Thomas Berry (1784-1856) and Hannah Farmer (1780-1831); with a total of six children born in the Appletree area, and James being the youngest. Very little is known about James’ siblings and any further information on this family would incur undying appreciation and gratitude. Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.125/2600 - Release Date: 01/05/10 05:35:00

My gratitude to everyone who responded with information on the Berry family. The mist has cleared somewhat. > The parents of James Berry are believed to have been Thomas > Berry (1784-1856) and Hannah Farmer (1780-1831); with a total > of six children born in the Appletree area, and James being the > youngest. Agent Betty helped to identify that Thomas married Hannah in Appletree 1808 and fathered five children. Jane christened Appletree 1909; and William 1810, Susannah 1812, John 1816, and James 1818 all christened in Cropredy. Details of the Thomas Berry who married Sarah Farmer in Chipping Warden 1785 also helped to thicken the soup. Thomas Berry, who married Hannah Farmer, was the christened son (1784) of William Berry and Jane Waddons in Aston le Walls. Thomas Berry, who married Sarah Farmer, was the christened son (1761) of Samuel Berry and Ann in Chipping Warden. Possibly. It would be rather pleasing to connect the brace of Thomas, since they appear to be a generation apart and Aston le Walls is only a mile away from Chipping Warden. Burial records for Appletree show that William Berry died in 1833 aged 78 years, giving an estimated birth year of 1755. A marriage date for Samuel and Ann is not known, but parish records show that they christened eight children in Chipping Warden between 1761 and 1776; none were named William. Sigh. Agent Muriel helped to highlight the networking system that supported so many rural emigrants seeking better employment prospects in the Coventry area. From previous research I know that many of these travelled by working passage along the Oxford canal; and pockets of Banburyshire folk can be identified in such overnight stops as Hillmorton and Longford. -- Joe Firefox & Thunderbird portals Sunbelt Vipre & Firewall protection

Hi Joe, I am Woolly Witted tonight! Sorry, should have said that my lot, the PARRITT family came from Claydon. When Frank and Len PARRITT talked together and reminisced, it was eveident that there were close ties and friendships between these two villages, which were not far apart. The Hunt "boys" were their 1st cousins. Regards, Muriel -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 609 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Joe, Your phrase to describe the family's removal to Coventry, as, "for some unfathomable reason", may be quite explainable! It triggered off a partial recollection from my own paternal family history. I haven't the data to hand, but I can persue the issue in general in the meantime. My lot, The Parritt family, lived in Cropredy, but in listening to my father and his brother talking I sensed the strong relationships with Cropredy and its inhabitants. I had always wondered how my Grandfather ended up in Coventry, but more recent finds and re-examination of the facts (including census material), has allowed me to form a hypothesis to explain the how ,whys and wherefores of it. Finding out more about "mystery " photos of the 4 Hunt boys led the way. I discovered that they were the sons of my paternal Grandmother 's half- sister and that her husband came from a Cropredy family, which I tracked back for some generations. Also the 1901 Coventry census shows another Cropredy-born male residing with them in their dwelling. It may have been a sort of temporary stop off for those coming to the city to find employment. I believe that must be how my grandfather met his wife, (a Porter), although he had first.resided briefly in the Black Country when visiting his brothers. Joe, there could have been quite a brisk traffic as young people from Cropredy lodged with relations and/or friends, whilst finding employment and a place to live. Hopefully this will have made" fathomable", the reason for your family's shift. If you require names /details for what I have been relating I can hunt up the relevant information for you.I am a bit too lazy to do it tonight! Happy hunting for 2010. Regards, Muriel. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 609 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Joe Thomas BERRY otp.... m..... Hannah FARMER of Chipping Warden .... 15th Feb 1808 @ Aston-Le-Walls. c of e Have searched the Northnts bapt index but can find only one of their children born in Northsnts. That includes Aston-Le-Walls ''''' Appletree and Chipping Warden >>> all 3 places within walking distance Cropredy was just about 2 miles away... Jane BERRY... d of Thomas & Hannah... bapt. 8th Jan 1809 @ Aston-le-Walls ...c of e HTH betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Connell" <j40.public@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:36 AM Subject: [BAN] While it is still quiet ... With a new year, hope again stirs within a manly breast, and prompts a renewed plea for family connections. Since those early Banburyshire ground breaking days frolicking among the usual miscreants, perhaps newer arrivals and lurkers hold the key to further progress. James Berry (1818-1898) was born in Cropredy and married Eliza Archer (1819-1896) in Buckingham 1843. Daughters Jane and Rebecca were born in North Aston, where James was a basket maker, but for some unfathomable reason the family then moved to Coventry where seven more children were born. Demonstrating our family gift for spotting potential winners, my great grandfather Thomas Gilbert ignored the nascent bicycle industry, married the eldest daughter Jane, and later inherited the basket weaving business. By 1881 father James Berry had returned to Cropredy where he lies buried with wife Eliza in Cropredy St Mary. The parents of James Berry are believed to have been Thomas Berry (1784-1856) and Hannah Farmer (1780-1831); with a total of six children born in the Appletree area, and James being the youngest. Very little is known about James’ siblings and any further information on this family would incur undying appreciation and gratitude. As a postscript for anyone who read the ghost tale in November, Jane’s sister Rebecca was mother to the fellow traveller. -- Joe Connell Firefox & Thunderbird portals Sunbelt Vipre & Firewall protection Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.124/2598 - Release Date: 01/03/10 19:41:00

Hi Joe Firstly thanks for the new year smile - only you could write such ;>) One of my ARIS from Middleton Cheney married a Mary GARRETT from Chipping Warden Parents of Mary GARRETT were Joseph GARRETT & Elizabeth FARMER who married 1792 Possible Hannah could of been a younger sister to Elizabeth? Several of mine from the Banburyshire area also moved towards Coventry/Leicester Angela The parents of James Berry are believed to have been Thomas Berry (1784-1856) and Hannah Farmer (1780-1831); with a total of six children born in the Appletree area, and James being the youngest. Very little is known about James’ siblings and any further information on this family would incur undying appreciation and gratitude.

With a new year, hope again stirs within a manly breast, and prompts a renewed plea for family connections. Since those early Banburyshire ground breaking days frolicking among the usual miscreants, perhaps newer arrivals and lurkers hold the key to further progress. James Berry (1818-1898) was born in Cropredy and married Eliza Archer (1819-1896) in Buckingham 1843. Daughters Jane and Rebecca were born in North Aston, where James was a basket maker, but for some unfathomable reason the family then moved to Coventry where seven more children were born. Demonstrating our family gift for spotting potential winners, my great grandfather Thomas Gilbert ignored the nascent bicycle industry, married the eldest daughter Jane, and later inherited the basket weaving business. By 1881 father James Berry had returned to Cropredy where he lies buried with wife Eliza in Cropredy St Mary. The parents of James Berry are believed to have been Thomas Berry (1784-1856) and Hannah Farmer (1780-1831); with a total of six children born in the Appletree area, and James being the youngest. Very little is known about James’ siblings and any further information on this family would incur undying appreciation and gratitude. As a postscript for anyone who read the ghost tale in November, Jane’s sister Rebecca was mother to the fellow traveller. -- Joe Connell Firefox & Thunderbird portals Sunbelt Vipre & Firewall protection

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