My relative , James Edwin Roberts was born in Banbury in 1875 to Thomas , a blacksmith . He became Squadron Sergeant-Major in the Empress of India Lancers , where I found him in the 1911 census , in Albassia Barracks , Egypt : to my surprise , listed separately , was his wife and 2 children . Was it common at that time for families to go abroad too ? One of his children , at least , also can be found living with Mrs.Roberts in Hounslow Cavalry Barracks in 1906 . My question is ; does anyone know of a book/novel which describes the lives of army families living in these barracks ? Many thanks , Rosalind.......

It was common for families to go with them my GGrandfather was in India for many years he and his wife had 7 children while there and he was just a private Dawn -----Original Message----- From: eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rosalind Sent: 22 January 2010 12:12 PM To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAN] army wives in barracks My relative , James Edwin Roberts was born in Banbury in 1875 to Thomas , a blacksmith . He became Squadron Sergeant-Major in the Empress of India Lancers , where I found him in the 1911 census , in Albassia Barracks , Egypt : to my surprise , listed separately , was his wife and 2 children . Was it common at that time for families to go abroad too ? One of his children , at least , also can be found living with Mrs.Roberts in Hounslow Cavalry Barracks in 1906 . My question is ; does anyone know of a book/novel which describes the lives of army families living in these barracks ? Many thanks , Rosalind....... Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Bill again, I will need to return the favour one day if I can - what do you want to know  I can help you with - any Mold from Middleton Cheney info that you need to know !!  haha, I can certainly help with that !!   Kind Rgds. Denise H. --- On Thu, 21/1/10, Bill Watson <bwatson27@comcast.net> wrote: From: Bill Watson <bwatson27@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [BAN] The Wards from Wardington and the Boss Family ! To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 21 January, 2010, 3:57 The OFHS 1851 Census - Wroxton & Balscot HO 107/1733 folio 452 # 13 GOODMAN Thomas HD m 41 Baker           ESS Manningtree          "          Elizabeth WI m 50                      OXF Neithrop SCONCE Elizabeth    DL u 23 Dressmaker        "    Wroxton GOODMAN Alban    SO   15 Ap. Baker          "           "          "           George  SO    14 Ap. Baker         "           "          "            Edwin   SO     8 Scholar              "           " OFHS Wroxton PR's; burial; 24 Apr 1831 SCONCE John 62 marr; 22 Oct 1834 GOODMAN Thomas                      SCONCE Elizabeth botp                wit: John FOX   Deberah FOX          Lic. 16 Sep1853 BLACK William 27 bach gardener of Sutton, Surrey s David engineer                     SCONCE Elizabeth 25 otp d John, baker               wit: John SCONCE   Alice SCONCE          Lic. bapt; 15 May 1825 SCONCE John s John & Elizabeth, baker 11 May 1828         "   Elizabeth d  "             "             " I can't find Amelia or Elizabeth's baptism. 1851 Census shows that they both were born in Neithrop. I believe they were Presbyterian, but their records are scant. This may be Amelia's registration for her death, and you could get her death cert. with it. FreeBMD; Death                 Qtr                Dist             vol    page BOSS Amelia   Jun 1854     Banbury          3a     401 HTH, Bill Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: "M HOWES" <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: [BAN] The Wards from Wardington and the Boss Family ! Bill, Thank you very much for your time and all the info, it confirms the connection with Elizabeth Sconce (nee possibly Ward from Wardington) - can you find anything at all , any little thing on Amelia Ward ? We think she may be the sister of Elizabeth but she is proving very difficult to locate ! Looking for connections now to Ward of Wardington!! Maybe !! Aghh I know it is awful !! Sorry folks !! TIA again Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alright Denise, since you ask. Do you have a Joshua WARD of Enstone who married Mary COLEGROVE in Swerford on 8 Oct 1821 in your lot? And then I'm always looking for the baptism (about 1796) of my gggrandfather, William WATSON, who married Mary's sister, Eliza COLEGROVE in Swerford on 26 Dec 1827. In all census', he says he was born in Swerford. Thank you, Bill Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: "M HOWES" <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] The Wards from Wardington and the Boss Family ! Thank you Bill again, I will need to return the favour one day if I can - what do you want to know I can help you with - any Mold from Middleton Cheney info that you need to know !! haha, I can certainly help with that !! Kind Rgds. Denise H.

To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Bill,   Thank you very much for your time and all the info, it confirms the connection with Elizabeth Sconce (nee possibly Ward from Wardington) - can you find anything at all , any little thing  on Amelia Ward ? We think she may be the sister of Elizabeth but she is proving very difficult to locate !  Looking for connections now to Ward of Wardington!!  Maybe !!  Aghh I know it is awful !!  Sorry folks !!    TIA again

The OFHS 1851 Census - Wroxton & Balscot HO 107/1733 folio 452 # 13 GOODMAN Thomas HD m 41 Baker ESS Manningtree " Elizabeth WI m 50 OXF Neithrop SCONCE Elizabeth DL u 23 Dressmaker " Wroxton GOODMAN Alban SO 15 Ap. Baker " " " George SO 14 Ap. Baker " " " Edwin SO 8 Scholar " " OFHS Wroxton PR's; burial; 24 Apr 1831 SCONCE John 62 marr; 22 Oct 1834 GOODMAN Thomas SCONCE Elizabeth botp wit: John FOX Deberah FOX Lic. 16 Sep1853 BLACK William 27 bach gardener of Sutton, Surrey s David engineer SCONCE Elizabeth 25 otp d John, baker wit: John SCONCE Alice SCONCE Lic. bapt; 15 May 1825 SCONCE John s John & Elizabeth, baker 11 May 1828 " Elizabeth d " " " I can't find Amelia or Elizabeth's baptism. 1851 Census shows that they both were born in Neithrop. I believe they were Presbyterian, but their records are scant. This may be Amelia's registration for her death, and you could get her death cert. with it. FreeBMD; Death Qtr Dist vol page BOSS Amelia Jun 1854 Banbury 3a 401 HTH, Bill Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: "M HOWES" <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: [BAN] The Wards from Wardington and the Boss Family ! Bill, Thank you very much for your time and all the info, it confirms the connection with Elizabeth Sconce (nee possibly Ward from Wardington) - can you find anything at all , any little thing on Amelia Ward ? We think she may be the sister of Elizabeth but she is proving very difficult to locate ! Looking for connections now to Ward of Wardington!! Maybe !! Aghh I know it is awful !! Sorry folks !! TIA again

This may help with Thomas Ward Boss problem - Thank you all --- On Tue, 19/1/10, Carol Burgess <carolaburgess@googlemail.com> wrote: From: Carol Burgess <carolaburgess@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: Thomas Ward Boss and photo To: "M HOWES" <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> Date: Tuesday, 19 January, 2010, 16:22 Hi Yes, it is a bit of a mystery.  As you suggest maybe the information on the photo is incorrect.  I will tell you how I came to have the photo. A lady called Nina contacted me through Ancestry way back last year, saying that she had inherited a suitcase of old family photos and did the photo and details ring any bells.  At the time I only had "Uncle Tom" in my tree so could not help.  Her family all came from Neithrop and Wroxten.  Family names are Sconce/Goodman/Ward.  As the year went on between us we found out about Thomas Ward and his life in Banbury, and came to the conclusion that the photo was probably him because of the Atkins name although as you say the initials and the Mary bit do not fit.  Nina also wondered if Elizabeth Ward b.1800 was sister to Amelia Ward who married John Henry Boss, Elizabeth married a John sconce and they had a daughter also Elizabeth Sconce b1828, who would have been cousin to TWB, hence the note on the back of the photo grans cousin Tom and they are of a similar age.  If I've got this right Nina's mum was Isobel Longhurst b1922, her mum Elizabeth Scragg b1887, her mum Elizabeth Black b1859, her mum Elizabeth Sconce b1828 and lastly her mum Elizabeth Ward b.1800. So it would seem that the person writing on the back of the photo would be Elizabeth Scragg talking about her grandmother Elizabeth Sconce (Ward) cousin to Tom.  Hope this all makes sense, I am doubting it all myself now.  As you say keep plodding on, you never know what we might come up with. All the best Carol

Hi List,   I have been trying to find some info on Thomas Ward Boss, both to help Carol and for Sue Boss who is a friend in Banbury, related -  his mother was Amelia Ward but I can find no clues as to her birth or baptism, she married John Henry Boss on December 25th 1819 IGI Family Search, and she may have been born Neithrop area of town - c1796 father Thomas Ward but cannot be sure of course - any help would be appreciated.   TIA D. Howes --- On Fri, 15/1/10, Bob Sangster <ukbsan1@talktalk.net> wrote: From: Bob Sangster <ukbsan1@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [BAN] Thomas Ward Boss To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 15 January, 2010, 20:49 Hello Carol,     Sorry for the delay in answering your query. As a volunteer at the library, this intrigued me as I could not recall this picture. Sorry to say that we only have a picture of one person hanging on the walls, that of Sir Bernard Samuelson. BUT, what I have found is numerous references to him in the local history publication. If you go the web site for Cherwell District Council, near the top right-hand corner is a search box, DO NOT use this. Click on the 'advanced search'. Then enter your requirement, and put a tick in the 'Cake & Cockhorse' box. This will return a list of PDF's that contain possible info concerning the search. You can then download the edition and find what you are searching for. Remember to search correctly, otherwise dozens of references are found. Your Thomas was a Customs and Excise person by the look of it. Good luck. Enjoy Life. Never promise, but always try. Regards, Bob Sangster Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The OFHS 1851 Census - Neithrop HO107/1734 folio 446 # 58 BOSS John HD m 55 mason's lab OXF Neithrop " Amelia WI m 55 " " " John SO u 21 Felmonger " " " Hannah DA u 19 serv at home " " " Edward SO u 17 lab " " " Rebecca DA 14 scholar " " " Mariah DA 10 scholar " " " Henry SO 2m " " folio 487 # 135 BOSS Thomas W HD m 25 Post Office officer OXF Epwell " Charlote WI m 29 shopkeeper " Neithrop " Elizabeth H DA 2 scholar " " " George SO 8m SRY Southwark The OFHS Banbury St Mary PR's; marr; 25 Dec 1819 BOSS John bach WARD Amelia spin botp wit: William OWEN banns; 17,24,31 Oct 1847 BOSS Thomas Ward otp HUNT Charlotte Psh Epwell OFHS Banbury Presbyterian fiche ( on non-PAROCHIAL Registers OXF North & West ) bn bapt 25 Jul 1820 20 Aug 1820 BOSS Mary Ann d John & Amelia of Neithrop 11 Dec 1822 2 Feb 1823 " Elizabeth d " " " 12 Jul 1825 5 Apr 1826 " Thomas Ward s " " " 5 Aug 1834 9 Mar 1836 " Edward s " " 20 Jan 1837 7 May 1837 " Rebecca d " " The OFHS Epwell PR's; marr; 22 Nov 1847 BOSS Thomas Ward fa bach post messenger Banbury s John ?mantle-maker HUNT Charlotte fa spin Epwell d John lab wit: Thos. CALLOW Elizabeth SCONCE 22 Dec 1817 HUNT John bach otp HUNT Elizabeth spin Psh Burton Dassett Co. Warwick wit: Mary LYDIATT Mary PRUE John HUNT Wm POTTER banns bapt; 14 Feb 1819 HUNT Ann d John & Elizabeth lab 17 Feb 1822 " Charlotte d " " " OFHS Banbury St Mary PR's; bapt; 26 Nov 1848 BOSS Elizabeth Hannah d Thomas Ward & Charlotte, Cherwell St. Post-man 20 Oct 1850 " George HUNT s " " " " " Post office servant HTH, Bill Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: "M HOWES" <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] Thomas Ward Boss Hi List, I have been trying to find some info on Thomas Ward Boss, both to help Carol and for Sue Boss who is a friend in Banbury, related - his mother was Amelia Ward but I can find no clues as to her birth or baptism, she married John Henry Boss on December 25th 1819 IGI Family Search, and she may have been born Neithrop area of town - c1796 father Thomas Ward but cannot be sure of course - any help would be appreciated. TIA D. Howes

Hello Carol, Funny, your name seemed formiliar, but I could not 'place it', you clicked my old grey-matter again. It costs nothing to ask, but, can cost a lot by not. Enjoy Life. Never promise, but will always try. Regards, Bob Sangster

Hello Bob Nice to hear from you again. The information I have came from a lady in Australia with a long boss family tree. I was given to believe that his picture hangs to this day in the Banbury library (formerly the mechanics institute?). Obviously this is incorrect and thanks for letting me know. I will certainly go on to The Cherwell District council website and have a good look. By the way do you remember my asking about my grandmother and the Alms houses. Still no luck finding any more information, but thank you again for the research you did for me. Best Wishes Carol.

Hello Carol, Sorry for the delay in answering your query. As a volunteer at the library, this intrigued me as I could not recall this picture. Sorry to say that we only have a picture of one person hanging on the walls, that of Sir Bernard Samuelson. BUT, what I have found is numerous references to him in the local history publication. If you go the web site for Cherwell District Council, near the top right-hand corner is a search box, DO NOT use this. Click on the 'advanced search'. Then enter your requirement, and put a tick in the 'Cake & Cockhorse' box. This will return a list of PDF's that contain possible info concerning the search. You can then download the edition and find what you are searching for. Remember to search correctly, otherwise dozens of references are found. Your Thomas was a Customs and Excise person by the look of it. Good luck. Enjoy Life. Never promise, but always try. Regards, Bob Sangster

I read Pollyp's email 5th January with interest. I also have a bit of a mystery connecting Coventry to Claydon. At the outbreak of WW1 14 August 1914 my grandfather Frederick Taylor was living in Field Row in Coventry. I have a document showing that he needed to show the authorities that he was a single parent with a young son, my father. This was presumably because he was an old soldier & wanted to avoid call up. However he was called up & my father & his sister lived with their 'grandmother' in Claydon. The mystery is, that as far as I have been able to discover, they did not have a grandmother living in Claydon. My grand father seems to have served overseas during the war; I am not sure where this was but I suspect he was in India. So who was 'grandmother"? Vic Taylor Uk

---------------------------- Wife Elizabeth Alebone was buried at MC in August 1748 after the birth of her 6th child Q - would the 1749 marriage of Wm Aris & Mary F be likely to be her widow remarrying? (taking into account of how the calander ran in 1749) or too soon? HO: With six young kids to look after, definitely not too soon. I expect this is the same man. Wm Aris & Mary F have 2 children at MC in 1749 & 1751- nothing else for them! There is a burial for a Mary Aris at MC in 1752 Q - now is that Mary (nee Falkner) Aris or Mary dau of Wm & Eliz born 1743 so aged abt 9yrs?? HO: impossible to say. It could be either, or someone else. Another option could be Wm & Mary F moved elsewhere & had other offspring. HO: Or Mary simply could have passed childbearing age, if she was of a similar age to William, and William hadn't married really young the first time. No children showing for a William & Mary (nee Goffe) Aris after the 1759 marriage at MC HO: Again, this could be because the wife was past childbearing age. No children at Chacombe/MC for Wm Aris/Mary Aris of Adstone marriage 1751 (anyone have access to Adstone pr's - see if they are there) Finally how many of these William ARIS's are the same man - or not!? Heather

Jon "TOD = abt 28 lbs... .TOD = Bundle ot Pack betty ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> Anyone know what volume/weight a "Tod of Wool" is? There are 50 of >> those. > > > Thanks > > > > Jon Malings > > A quite snowy Wexford, Ireland > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > Some useful websites: > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.132/2610 - Release Date: 01/10/10 05:35:00

Hi all, Can anyone help me to re-gain sanity & offer their advice on the below puzzle Please! At Middleton Cheney I have these marriages ....... 27/9/1735 William Aris & Elizabeth Alebone 26/3/1749 William Aris & Mary Falkner 1/11/1759 William Aris & Mary Goffe Then next door at Chacombe 3/10/1751 William Aris & Mary Aris both of Adston(e) ---------------------------- Wife Elizabeth Alebone was buried at MC in August 1748 after the birth of her 6th child Q - would the 1749 marriage of Wm Aris & Mary F be likely to be her widow remarrying? (taking into account of how the calander ran in 1749) or too soon? Wm Aris & Mary F have 2 children at MC in 1749 & 1751- nothing else for them! There is a burial for a Mary Aris at MC in 1752 Q - now is that Mary (nee Falkner) Aris or Mary dau of Wm & Eliz born 1743 so aged abt 9yrs?? Another option could be Wm & Mary F moved elsewhere & had other offspring. No children showing for a William & Mary (nee Goffe) Aris after the 1759 marriage at MC No children at Chacombe/MC for Wm Aris/Mary Aris of Adstone marriage 1751 (anyone have access to Adstone pr's - see if they are there) Finally how many of these William ARIS's are the same man - or not!? William marrying 1735 is the first mention I have found of ARIS in MC -so where was he from anyway? My brain is buzzing again!! 8>)~ Happy 2010 to all Angela

Hi Jon and anyone with farming ancestors, from the Ag Lab upwards :-) Having plenty of farming ancestors I have always been interested in their lives, duties and day to day activities One book I found of interest was by Henry STEPHENS , called The Book of the Farm (I should say series of books as its in three volumes) It was used on the series "The Victorian Farm" All three volumes can be downloaded for free from www.archive.org (a search for Henry Stephens Farm will find them) There is also one on farm buildings and their construction which goes into all sorts of detail including how to put up a wire fence etc There are sections on just about everything to do with the farm and running of it including how they were paid and goes into great detail as to the costs of various produce, even how to slaughter a sheep should you want to know ! Full of useful information such as how to plough, cleaving down your gore furrows <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Anyone any idea how I can guess the price of farm live and dead stock in > the 1860's ? I've got an auction notice 1861 detailing the stock of > Samuel Malings who is leaving Hungrill Farm, Launton, (347 Capital Sheep, > 17 Cattle, 32 Pigs 11 horses, farming implements etc. etc.) > Anyone know what volume/weight a "Tod of Wool" is? There are 50 of > those. > Anyone got any salt/grit they can send over? > Thanks > Jon Malings > A quite snowy Wexford, Ireland

Hi Jon I find google useful for this sort of enquiry shearling n. one-year-old sheep, from which one crop of wool has been taken. For Tup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tup And a Tod :- tod1 n (Mathematics & Measurements / Units) Brit a unit of weight, used for wool, etc., usually equal to 28 pounds [probably related to Frisian todde rag, Old High German zotta tuft of hair] Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Anyone any idea how I can guess the price of farm live and dead stock in > the 1860's ? I've got an auction notice 1861 detailing the stock of > Samuel Malings who is leaving Hungrill Farm, Launton, (347 Capital Sheep, > 17 Cattle, 32 Pigs 11 horses, farming implements etc. etc.) > Anyone know what volume/weight a "Tod of Wool" is? There are 50 of > those. > Anyone got any salt/grit they can send over? > Thanks > Jon Malings > A quite snowy Wexford, Ireland

Thanks Angela and Betty I've seen the TOD= 28 lbs definition and was looking for 2nd opinions. I've also seen an 1837 Nottinghamshire farm account book that sells wool at 36/6d per tod. That would make it 1/3d a pound which seems a lot of money in 1837. But how much wool do you get from a (Banburyshire) sheep ? There was a 6d tax per TOD at one point in the 16th century so it must have been a fairly standard measure and I can see that 28lb would be a useful number. Jon Malings An even more snowy Wexford. _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

A tod of wool seems to be about 28 lbs. or 12.7 kg. - you can google it. Angela (in rather soggy E.Kent) On 10 Jan 2010, at 8:55 am, Jon Malings wrote: > > Anyone any idea how I can guess the price of farm live and dead stock > in the 1860's ? I've got an auction notice 1861 detailing the stock > of Samuel Malings who is leaving Hungrill Farm, Launton, (347 Capital > Sheep, 17 Cattle, 32 Pigs 11 horses, farming implements etc. etc.) > > Anyone know what volume/weight a "Tod of Wool" is? There are 50 of > those. > Anyone got any salt/grit they can send over? > > Thanks > Jon Malings > > A quite snowy Wexford, Ireland > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > Some useful websites: > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >