The new web site is much better Rosemary -- many thanks for your attention to our needs. Only one comment, concerning browser presentation. In Internet Explorer no problem, but in Firefox the frame "You will search in vain ..." is superimposed over other areas of text. Not a criticism you understand; merely the requested feedback. -- Smokey Firefox & Thunderbird portals Sunbelt Vipre Premium protection

Forwarded with permission: Hello all, I am happy to report that the most recent update of the freeREG database has taken the Northamptonshire total number of records past the HALF MILLION mark! For details of the Northamptonshire records currently available go to http://www.freereg.org.uk/parishes/nth.shtml We now have 502 570 records from 169 Northamptonshire parishes and non-conformist chapels FREE to search on freeREG, out of a nationwide total of over 11 million. This achievement is thanks to our steadily growing team of wonderful, dedicated contributors. Additional volunteers, or donations of existing transcripts are always very welcome! No special expertise is required.... just your time. Please feel welcome to contact me for further details Regards, Anna Rufer Tirau, New Zealand Northamptonshire Coordinator, FreeREG project. www.freeREG.org.uk ------------------------------- rufer@xtra.co.nz -------------------------------

Hi Barbara, You should be able to send images via email as attachments: once they're on your computer it's straight forward [fingers crossed ;-)] Once I get them, I re-size them and sharpen them for the web page. Rosemary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Barbara Adair wrote: > Hi Rosemary: Yes a separate page would be good. But how do I send pictures, by e-mail only? Or should I scan something and then send on? > Barbara. > > > > On 17 Apr 2010, at 10:58 AM, Rosemary Probert wrote: > >> Hi Barbara, >> >> Thanks for your speedy response :-) >> >> Would you like this as a separate page to follow on from "The Wrightons >> in Aynho"? And do you have any pictures you'd like to add to go with it? >> >> Rosemary >> Northumberland >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Rosemary, As usual you have done another great job. There were several things I sent you about 3 years ago. One was a story from Ann Leitch that you planned to add to M&R, then there was the link to Aynho History Society & my second book about Nursing at the Horton. Would you please check to see if you still have all of that? Dawn -----Original Message----- From: eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert Sent: 17 April 2010 2:43 PM To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAN] FreeREG Northamptonshire passes the HALF MILLION mark! Forwarded with permission: Hello all, I am happy to report that the most recent update of the freeREG database has taken the Northamptonshire total number of records past the HALF MILLION mark! For details of the Northamptonshire records currently available go to http://www.freereg.org.uk/parishes/nth.shtml We now have 502 570 records from 169 Northamptonshire parishes and non-conformist chapels FREE to search on freeREG, out of a nationwide total of over 11 million. This achievement is thanks to our steadily growing team of wonderful, dedicated contributors. Additional volunteers, or donations of existing transcripts are always very welcome! No special expertise is required.... just your time. Please feel welcome to contact me for further details Regards, Anna Rufer Tirau, New Zealand Northamptonshire Coordinator, FreeREG project. www.freeREG.org.uk ------------------------------- rufer@xtra.co.nz ------------------------------- Banburyshire website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcbanb/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rosemary if these Manorial Court records are not already on the site then yes these are the additional ones I forwarded, there should have been about a dozen or so all told I forwarded to you. I look forward to seeing them up on the site and will have another look to see what new material is on there. Again many thanks, David Judd -----Original Message----- From: eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert Sent: 17 April 2010 13:56 To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAN] Banburyshire Website Hi David, Glad you like the new design - it's a bit more "sophisticated" :-) The design of websites is becoming generally 'cleaner'. The first sites I made about 8 years ago had quite overpowering wallpaper style backgrounds - quite out of fashion now! I've just found a folder of material from you: NCA 3794 MCR T Judd 1684.doc Thomas Judd MCR 1741.doc Thomas Judd MCR 1734.doc Thomas Judd MCR March 1717.doc Are these the files you can't find on the site? If so, I'll get them up this weekend - and I'm sorry for the delay, Rosemary Northumberland ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DAVID JUDD wrote: > Rosemary I did forward to you several more transcribed details of Manorial > Court records but I have not as yet seen these appear on the page, did you > receive them or is it down to available space? I did notice yesterday when > checking the site that you had some of the surname details out of sequence > in the G - H area I think it was. > > Other than that I think the new site and features is a vast improvement on > what it used to be, you are doing a fantastic job, I certainly appreciate > the site as I am sure many others do. > > David Judd > Banburyshire website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcbanb/index.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara, Thanks for your speedy response :-) Would you like this as a separate page to follow on from "The Wrightons in Aynho"? And do you have any pictures you'd like to add to go with it? Rosemary Northumberland ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Barbara Adair wrote: > Update on the Wrightons of Aynho. > > Since writing my first article for the Banburyshire page, I have done a lot more successful research and now have a few hundred more cousins of whatever degree! > My project to find out all I could about my Grandfather, Charles Wrighton's siblings, has been partially successful, sometimes spectacularly so. It has involved several > international phone calls and physically visiting new connections in other countries. > Grandad's eldest sister Ellen married a London policeman, John Coombes, and I have their children's names but have made no connection to her descendants. > Adelaide was the next sister and I have met, stayed with and continued correspondence with her Grandaughter, who will be visiting me in Canada next month. > Emily married Tom Harris and I have corresponded with her Grandson. > Herbert was the eldest son and like nearly all the Wrighton men, he worked for the GWR and met and married a Welsh girl, Mary James, and they had one daughter. > Harriet married Edwin Rolfe who was in the Army and I remember meeting my Mother's Uncle Edwin when I was a child and have connected to one of his descendants. > Charles my Grandfather, married Edith Clements and they had seven children my Mother being the eldest daughter. > Oliver who died aged nine. > Joseph married another Aynho girl Beatrice Humphris and they emigrated to Waukesha, Wisconsin with their five children and Gertrude Humphris Stone, the widowed sister of Beatrice. They were sponsored by the women's brother F. Humphris who had emigrated earlier. The five children all married and had children and I visited Waukesha last year and met several of them. My hostess was Juanita Wrighton Saunders the only daughter of George Wrighton who was taken to Waukesha as a small child. > Alice died as a baby. > Frank married Amy Louise Parritt, the Great Aunt of our Muriel Wells with whom I stayed when I visited New Zealand. Frank and Amy had several daughters and one > son, John. I have met a Grandson of John, Ben, when I was in Northampton last year. John's eldest son Richard emigrated to Australia and his son Leigh was in > UK for a year recently and he connected to Ben and brother Dan. I hope to visit Australia again next year and would love to meet Richard and his family. > Ada died as a baby. > Mabel married William Wilkinson but had no children. I have been given a copy of her will which gave me the names of many of her nieces and nephews which was a great help in identifying nieces by their married names. > Phillip married Ada Burrows and they had three daughters, one of whom visited her Wrighton cousins in Wisconsin, USA several years ago. > George married another Welsh girl, Elizabeth Thomas, and they had nine children at least two who died as babies. Their youngest son Phillip is still alive at over 90 and his son Nigel has been working with me on this project. > David married Kate Cox and had two sons, Norman and Basil. I have found no marriages or children for these two men who both died in the early 2000s. If I had started > this exercise earlier I might have been able to make contact with them, but there are always "too lates" in genealogy. > > These are the fifteen children my Great Grandmother Julia Borton, had in 25 years! > > Hi Rosemary: I have been meaning to send this report to you for a long time so your recent post, and the fact that it is raining today so I cannot do any gardening, has > triggered me into action. > > Hope this will be suitable. > > Yours, > Barbara.

Hi David, Glad you like the new design - it's a bit more "sophisticated" :-) The design of websites is becoming generally 'cleaner'. The first sites I made about 8 years ago had quite overpowering wallpaper style backgrounds - quite out of fashion now! I've just found a folder of material from you: NCA 3794 MCR T Judd 1684.doc Thomas Judd MCR 1741.doc Thomas Judd MCR 1734.doc Thomas Judd MCR March 1717.doc Are these the files you can't find on the site? If so, I'll get them up this weekend - and I'm sorry for the delay, Rosemary Northumberland ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DAVID JUDD wrote: > Rosemary I did forward to you several more transcribed details of Manorial > Court records but I have not as yet seen these appear on the page, did you > receive them or is it down to available space? I did notice yesterday when > checking the site that you had some of the surname details out of sequence > in the G - H area I think it was. > > Other than that I think the new site and features is a vast improvement on > what it used to be, you are doing a fantastic job, I certainly appreciate > the site as I am sure many others do. > > David Judd >

Hi Rosemary: Yes a separate page would be good. But how do I send pictures, by e-mail only? Or should I scan something and then send on? Barbara. On 17 Apr 2010, at 10:58 AM, Rosemary Probert wrote: > Hi Barbara, > > Thanks for your speedy response :-) > > Would you like this as a separate page to follow on from "The Wrightons > in Aynho"? And do you have any pictures you'd like to add to go with it? > > Rosemary > Northumberland > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Barbara Adair wrote: >> Update on the Wrightons of Aynho. >> >> Since writing my first article for the Banburyshire page, I have done a lot more successful research and now have a few hundred more cousins of whatever degree! >> My project to find out all I could about my Grandfather, Charles Wrighton's siblings, has been partially successful, sometimes spectacularly so. It has involved several >> international phone calls and physically visiting new connections in other countries. >> Grandad's eldest sister Ellen married a London policeman, John Coombes, and I have their children's names but have made no connection to her descendants. >> Adelaide was the next sister and I have met, stayed with and continued correspondence with her Grandaughter, who will be visiting me in Canada next month. >> Emily married Tom Harris and I have corresponded with her Grandson. >> Herbert was the eldest son and like nearly all the Wrighton men, he worked for the GWR and met and married a Welsh girl, Mary James, and they had one daughter. >> Harriet married Edwin Rolfe who was in the Army and I remember meeting my Mother's Uncle Edwin when I was a child and have connected to one of his descendants. >> Charles my Grandfather, married Edith Clements and they had seven children my Mother being the eldest daughter. >> Oliver who died aged nine. >> Joseph married another Aynho girl Beatrice Humphris and they emigrated to Waukesha, Wisconsin with their five children and Gertrude Humphris Stone, the widowed sister of Beatrice. They were sponsored by the women's brother F. Humphris who had emigrated earlier. The five children all married and had children and I visited Waukesha last year and met several of them. My hostess was Juanita Wrighton Saunders the only daughter of George Wrighton who was taken to Waukesha as a small child. >> Alice died as a baby. >> Frank married Amy Louise Parritt, the Great Aunt of our Muriel Wells with whom I stayed when I visited New Zealand. Frank and Amy had several daughters and one >> son, John. I have met a Grandson of John, Ben, when I was in Northampton last year. John's eldest son Richard emigrated to Australia and his son Leigh was in >> UK for a year recently and he connected to Ben and brother Dan. I hope to visit Australia again next year and would love to meet Richard and his family. >> Ada died as a baby. >> Mabel married William Wilkinson but had no children. I have been given a copy of her will which gave me the names of many of her nieces and nephews which was a great help in identifying nieces by their married names. >> Phillip married Ada Burrows and they had three daughters, one of whom visited her Wrighton cousins in Wisconsin, USA several years ago. >> George married another Welsh girl, Elizabeth Thomas, and they had nine children at least two who died as babies. Their youngest son Phillip is still alive at over 90 and his son Nigel has been working with me on this project. >> David married Kate Cox and had two sons, Norman and Basil. I have found no marriages or children for these two men who both died in the early 2000s. If I had started >> this exercise earlier I might have been able to make contact with them, but there are always "too lates" in genealogy. >> >> These are the fifteen children my Great Grandmother Julia Borton, had in 25 years! >> >> Hi Rosemary: I have been meaning to send this report to you for a long time so your recent post, and the fact that it is raining today so I cannot do any gardening, has >> triggered me into action. >> >> Hope this will be suitable. >> >> Yours, >> Barbara. > Banburyshire website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcbanb/index.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rosemary I did forward to you several more transcribed details of Manorial Court records but I have not as yet seen these appear on the page, did you receive them or is it down to available space? I did notice yesterday when checking the site that you had some of the surname details out of sequence in the G - H area I think it was. Other than that I think the new site and features is a vast improvement on what it used to be, you are doing a fantastic job, I certainly appreciate the site as I am sure many others do. David Judd -----Original Message----- From: eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-banbury-area-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert Sent: 16 April 2010 13:44 To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAN] Banburyshire Website Hi All, Over the past couple of years I've been rather busy and consequently the Banburyshire website has been a bit neglected. This year I've received quite a few new pieces of work to add to it and I've become aware that it's in a bit of a mess! It's nearly 6 years old now and, in internet terms, that's old! There have been lots of alterations over this time; bits added here and there and bits taken away; new coding here and there; new sections added and some taken away. A couple of weeks ago I started to give it a spring clean and ended up giving it a complete "make-over". So .......... If you have submitted any material to the site can you check it for me: - do your pages have the new style? I hope there aren't any that I've missed - but with over 800 pages and 2500 files, one or two may have slipped through the net ;-) - are there any obvious mistakes? - do the links lead to the right pages? - is there a link in the relevant index page for your page/s? For example, if you have a page in the Family History section, go to the index page for that - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcbanb/families/index.htm - and make sure your page/s are linked from there. Also can you check the following: - is your email address current? - is the information you've given up-to-date? Have you found out more since the page was originally created? - sometimes there isn't an email contact address (some of you wished to be anonymous). If you now want to add your address [I do try and make it less easy for web-bots to harvest for spam by adding brackets around the @ in all addresses], just let me know. The whole section on old photographs has been - temporarily - taken off line. I need to do a lot more work on it, but it should be up and running again in a couple of weeks. I don't have a search function on the website (it's on my list of "things to do") but you can use Google to search the site for your name if you can't remember what's there :-) Here's how: For example - put this into your search bar: angela site:http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcbanb/ It will return pages that mention Angela (and there are a lot!) just from the Banburyshire website. The search isn't case sensitive. [ http://www.google.co.uk/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=136861 ] If there are any changes you want to make to your information can you please contact me *off list* at rosemary@rprobert.co.uk, and include the full url of the page, so that I can find it easily. If you have sent me material recently, it will be added soon. Kind regards, Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Some useful websites: FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janet, Thank you for your comments on my possible scenario for the GREGORY family. Both Elizabeth and James GREGORY got married at the same church St Marylebone in Westminster and I am sure they are siblings. I have looked for baptisms in the "London area" without success but a needle in a haystack come to mind. If they were baptised there, however, the parents must have waited until after they had moved to London as Elizabeth and James are documented as having been born in Banbury. There is also circumstantial evidence that the parents did not move to London, as Emma WILLOUGHBY was baptised in Banbury and I have assumed the parents went to Elizabeth's mother to have the first child. I wonder if the lack of baptism records is due to the effects of the Stamp Duty Act of 1783. In 1783 the British government passed a stamp duty act to help pay for the American War of Independence. In particular a tax of 3d was to be paid on every entry in a parish register. The incumbent was empowered to collect this tax and entitled to keep a small proportion for his trouble. The tax was deeply unpopular and was finally repealed in 1794. I understand the act had the effect that some couples simply did not bother to baptise their children, so it is possible to encounter "missing baptisms" whilst the act was in force. Some of these children may be found being baptised "in a batch" after 1794 but in other cases baptisms are never recorded for them. Back to the drawing board!! Kind regards, Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Booth" <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] New Member Seeking HelpwithWILLOUGHBYBaptisms/MarriageinBanbury Area > Hi Brian, > > There is a marriage (Oxfordshire FHS PR Transcripts of Banbury St Mary) on > 12 November 1794 of a William GREGORY, Servant Man, bachelor & Elizabeth > PEARSON, spinster, both of the parish. Witnesses were Ann PEARSON & John > GREGORY. > > There is a burial on 10 August 1799 of Elizabeth GREGORY, wife of William, > Labourer. BUT there are no baptisms to this couple at Banbury St Mary, > nor > any baptisms at Banbury Independent, Banbury Quakers or Presbyterian. > However, this William GREGORY looks to have remarried (as you say) on 25 > August 1801 at Banbury St Mary, he being described as a Labourer, widower, > to Elizabeth HAWKES, widow, both of the parish. Witnesses were William > BUTLER & Ann BUTTLER. > > Looking for a likely William & Ann BUT(T)LER, there is a marriage on 7 > October 1789 at Broughton of a William BUTLER to an Ann HAWTYN, both of > the > parish, but whether this is the correct couple, I don't know. I did look > for a marriage between a ? HAWK(E)S and Elizabeth HAWTYN or Elizabeth > BUTLER > (with variants on both surnames) but no luck either. Will keep looking. > > Your scenario certainly looks a possibility but until the baptisms of > James > & Elizabeth are found, unfortunately nothing can be proved. > > Janet

Hi All, Over the past couple of years I've been rather busy and consequently the Banburyshire website has been a bit neglected. This year I've received quite a few new pieces of work to add to it and I've become aware that it's in a bit of a mess! It's nearly 6 years old now and, in internet terms, that's old! There have been lots of alterations over this time; bits added here and there and bits taken away; new coding here and there; new sections added and some taken away. A couple of weeks ago I started to give it a spring clean and ended up giving it a complete "make-over". So .......... If you have submitted any material to the site can you check it for me: - do your pages have the new style? I hope there aren't any that I've missed - but with over 800 pages and 2500 files, one or two may have slipped through the net ;-) - are there any obvious mistakes? - do the links lead to the right pages? - is there a link in the relevant index page for your page/s? For example, if you have a page in the Family History section, go to the index page for that - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcbanb/families/index.htm - and make sure your page/s are linked from there. Also can you check the following: - is your email address current? - is the information you've given up-to-date? Have you found out more since the page was originally created? - sometimes there isn't an email contact address (some of you wished to be anonymous). If you now want to add your address [I do try and make it less easy for web-bots to harvest for spam by adding brackets around the @ in all addresses], just let me know. The whole section on old photographs has been - temporarily - taken off line. I need to do a lot more work on it, but it should be up and running again in a couple of weeks. I don't have a search function on the website (it's on my list of "things to do") but you can use Google to search the site for your name if you can't remember what's there :-) Here's how: For example - put this into your search bar: angela site:http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcbanb/ It will return pages that mention Angela (and there are a lot!) just from the Banburyshire website. The search isn't case sensitive. [ http://www.google.co.uk/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?answer=136861 ] If there are any changes you want to make to your information can you please contact me *off list* at rosemary@rprobert.co.uk, and include the full url of the page, so that I can find it easily. If you have sent me material recently, it will be added soon. Kind regards, Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: rosemary@rprobert.co.uk Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Update on the Wrightons of Aynho. Since writing my first article for the Banburyshire page, I have done a lot more successful research and now have a few hundred more cousins of whatever degree! My project to find out all I could about my Grandfather, Charles Wrighton's siblings, has been partially successful, sometimes spectacularly so. It has involved several international phone calls and physically visiting new connections in other countries. Grandad's eldest sister Ellen married a London policeman, John Coombes, and I have their children's names but have made no connection to her descendants. Adelaide was the next sister and I have met, stayed with and continued correspondence with her Grandaughter, who will be visiting me in Canada next month. Emily married Tom Harris and I have corresponded with her Grandson. Herbert was the eldest son and like nearly all the Wrighton men, he worked for the GWR and met and married a Welsh girl, Mary James, and they had one daughter. Harriet married Edwin Rolfe who was in the Army and I remember meeting my Mother's Uncle Edwin when I was a child and have connected to one of his descendants. Charles my Grandfather, married Edith Clements and they had seven children my Mother being the eldest daughter. Oliver who died aged nine. Joseph married another Aynho girl Beatrice Humphris and they emigrated to Waukesha, Wisconsin with their five children and Gertrude Humphris Stone, the widowed sister of Beatrice. They were sponsored by the women's brother F. Humphris who had emigrated earlier. The five children all married and had children and I visited Waukesha last year and met several of them. My hostess was Juanita Wrighton Saunders the only daughter of George Wrighton who was taken to Waukesha as a small child. Alice died as a baby. Frank married Amy Louise Parritt, the Great Aunt of our Muriel Wells with whom I stayed when I visited New Zealand. Frank and Amy had several daughters and one son, John. I have met a Grandson of John, Ben, when I was in Northampton last year. John's eldest son Richard emigrated to Australia and his son Leigh was in UK for a year recently and he connected to Ben and brother Dan. I hope to visit Australia again next year and would love to meet Richard and his family. Ada died as a baby. Mabel married William Wilkinson but had no children. I have been given a copy of her will which gave me the names of many of her nieces and nephews which was a great help in identifying nieces by their married names. Phillip married Ada Burrows and they had three daughters, one of whom visited her Wrighton cousins in Wisconsin, USA several years ago. George married another Welsh girl, Elizabeth Thomas, and they had nine children at least two who died as babies. Their youngest son Phillip is still alive at over 90 and his son Nigel has been working with me on this project. David married Kate Cox and had two sons, Norman and Basil. I have found no marriages or children for these two men who both died in the early 2000s. If I had started this exercise earlier I might have been able to make contact with them, but there are always "too lates" in genealogy. These are the fifteen children my Great Grandmother Julia Borton, had in 25 years! Hi Rosemary: I have been meaning to send this report to you for a long time so your recent post, and the fact that it is raining today so I cannot do any gardening, has triggered me into action. Hope this will be suitable. Yours, Barbara.

Hi Brian, There is a marriage (Oxfordshire FHS PR Transcripts of Banbury St Mary) on 12 November 1794 of a William GREGORY, Servant Man, bachelor & Elizabeth PEARSON, spinster, both of the parish. Witnesses were Ann PEARSON & John GREGORY. There is a burial on 10 August 1799 of Elizabeth GREGORY, wife of William, Labourer. BUT there are no baptisms to this couple at Banbury St Mary, nor any baptisms at Banbury Independent, Banbury Quakers or Presbyterian. However, this William GREGORY looks to have remarried (as you say) on 25 August 1801 at Banbury St Mary, he being described as a Labourer, widower, to Elizabeth HAWKES, widow, both of the parish. Witnesses were William BUTLER & Ann BUTTLER. Looking for a likely William & Ann BUT(T)LER, there is a marriage on 7 October 1789 at Broughton of a William BUTLER to an Ann HAWTYN, both of the parish, but whether this is the correct couple, I don't know. I did look for a marriage between a ? HAWK(E)S and Elizabeth HAWTYN or Elizabeth BUTLER (with variants on both surnames) but no luck either. Will keep looking. Your scenario certainly looks a possibility but until the baptisms of James & Elizabeth are found, unfortunately nothing can be proved. Janet > I would be interested in you comments on the following scenario I have for > my GREGORY's in Banbury. > > William GREGORY married Elizabeth PEARSON in November 1794 in Banbury. > They > had two children Elizabeth GREGORY around 1794 and James GREGORY around > 1798. They were both born in Banbury. Elizabeth GREGORY (nee PEARSON) died > in August 1799. > > William GREGORY married Elizabeth HAWKES (a widow) in April 1801. They had > two children Thomas GREGORY in March 1802 and Sarah GREGORY in 1804. > William > GREGORY died in March 1804.

The only baptism I have found close to Banbury/NP area, that time frame for an Elizabeth GREGORY is the following. Bapt @ Drayton 19/9/1793 Elizabeth do Nathanil & Elizabeth Lots of other GREGORY's in Drayton also. Looking at Banbury regs - the surnames Jaques/Jacks, French, Butler & middle name of Hopkins crop up with Gregory/Pearson. Jaques as a surname is more prominent in Middleton Cheney than Banbury. MC is into Northants but only 2/3 miles walk away It may be helpful to go on a 'sideways' search of these other names, as some are from Neithrop area & may provide a link Angela co-admin Banbury >Is there any > record of an Elizabeth GREGORY baptised around Neithrop/Banbury in 1793/4? > Having had a quick "Google", the only instance I can find of a GREGORY > connection to Neithrop is in the Gardner's 1852 Oxfordshire Directory > (Banbury > section) where there is a Carter listed - "GREGORY Nathaniel, Neithrop" - > possibly a relation of Elizabeth???

Janet, I would be interested in you comments on the following scenario I have for my GREGORY's in Banbury. William GREGORY married Elizabeth PEARSON in November 1794 in Banbury. They had two children Elizabeth GREGORY around 1794 and James GREGORY around 1798. They were both born in Banbury. Elizabeth GREGORY (nee PEARSON) died in August 1799. William GREGORY married Elizabeth HAWKES (a widow) in April 1801. They had two children Thomas GREGORY in March 1802 and Sarah GREGORY in 1804. William GREGORY died in March 1804. I think it is a little difficult to unravel as William married two Elizabeth's if my theory is correct. Perhaps it is Elizabeth GREGORY (nee HAWKES, nee ???) who married Richard BRAIN in January 1813. Regards, Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Booth" <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] New Member Seeking Help with WILLOUGHBYBaptisms/MarriageinBanbury Area > Hello Penny & Brian, > > Coming in to this discussion rather late in the day, I have the > Oxfordshire > FHS PR Transcripts of Banbury plus a lot of other Oxfordshire CDs (one of > my > direct ancestors was also a GREGORY) and there are baptisms at Banbury for > a > William & Elizabeth GREGORY, William being a Gardener, as follows: > > 17 March 1802 at Banbury St Mary Thomas GREGORY son of William & > Elizabeth, Gardener > 25 April 1804 at Banbury St Mary Sarah GREGORY daur of the late > [blank] & Elizabeth > > 11 March 1804 at Banbury William GREGORY, Labr, buried > > No baptism for either Elizabeth or James at Banbury but it could well be > that William & Elizabeth GREGORY only came to Banbury c1802. Elizabeth > GREGORY snr looks to have remarried on 21 January 1813 at Banbury to a > Richard BRAIN who was also a widower, the witness being an Elizabeth > JACQUES. > > I also have the Northamptonshire Marriage Index CD 1700-1837 and there is > no > marriage for a William WILLOUGHBY (or variants) to an Elizabeth on that, > although there are WILLOUGHBY marriages with a Preston Capes connection on > there. I also cannot find a marriage between Harriet WILLOUGHBY & William > ALLINSON on the Northamptonshire Marriage Index 1837-1860 CD - another > piece > of negative information I'm afraid. > > Janet

Penny, Further to my last email I have summarised the relevant information I have. If you disagree with any of it please let me know. Harriett WILLOUGHBY was baptised on the 20th March 1831. Her parents were William WILLOUGHBY (b 1792 d1870) and Elizabeth (b1794 d1866) Elizabeth was baptised in Banbury but the other events were in Preston Capes. Harriett was the fifth out of six children. In the 1841 census she is aged 10 and in the 1851 census she is aged 20 and unmarried. On both occasions she is with her parents in Preston Capes. I cannot find an entry for a Harriett WILLOUGHBY in the 1861 census. I have no record of a William ALLINSON in my notes. From your information I found him in the 1851 census at Weedon Military Barracks. I see that he was born in Ireland around 1816. Another William ALLINSON aged 11 from Gibraltar is at the Barracks and was, therefore, born around 1840. The transcript states he is a son and his father's name is Michael. I don't know where the Michael came from as it is not on the original record. Several things puzzle me. There is a 15 year age gap between Harriett and William. If William ALLINSON junior is William ALLINSON senior's son, as he was born when Harriett was 9, she is not the mother and William must have been married before or the son is illegitimate. What is the name of the son registered to Harriett and William in Portsmouth in 1851? What is the information you have linking Harriett WILLOUGHBY and William ALLINSON? As I like a challenge I look forward to your reply with interest. Regards, Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: <PennyEves@aol.com> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:01 PM Subject: [BAN] New Member Seeking Help with WILLOUGHBY Baptisms/Marriage inBanbury Area > Hi Brian ... > > Very many thanks for your reply and the information. > > I had come across that WILLOUGHBY/GREGORY marriage in Middlesex (courtesy > of Ancestry's new London Marriages database) and while the date looked > good > I had no reason to believe that they could be the couple I was looking > for. > Do you have any "proof" that this is the correct couple? Is there any > record of an Elizabeth GREGORY baptised around Neithrop/Banbury in 1793/4? > Having had a quick "Google", the only instance I can find of a GREGORY > connection to Neithrop is in the Gardner's 1852 Oxfordshire Directory > (Banbury > section) where there is a Carter listed - "GREGORY Nathaniel, Neithrop" - > possibly a relation of Elizabeth??? > > I should say that these are not my ancestors - I'm doing this research on > behalf of a couple who contacted me through the Preston Capes website > after > they saw information on the WILLOUGHBY family in the genealogy database. > Initially, they are trying to find out about their ancestor William > ALLINSON, a well-travelled soldier, who is recorded on the 1851 census at > the > Weedon Barracks (along with an 8 year old son). In the Autumn of the > same year, > William and Harriet WILLOUGHBY (d. William and Elizabeth) are registering > the birth of their first child in Portsmouth. On the 1851 census, > Harriet > is recorded as "unmarried" and living with her family in Preston Capes! > William and Harriet's marriage does not seem to appear on the GRO indexes, > and in a few days time I will be having a look at the actual marriage > register to see if they married at Preston Capes (but did not register > the > marriage). Do you have any information on Harriet which may clarify > this? > > I shall be contacting this couple again after I've checked the register, > and would be happy to put you in touch with them (if they are agreeable). > > Regards, > Penny >

Hello Penny & Brian, Coming in to this discussion rather late in the day, I have the Oxfordshire FHS PR Transcripts of Banbury plus a lot of other Oxfordshire CDs (one of my direct ancestors was also a GREGORY) and there are baptisms at Banbury for a William & Elizabeth GREGORY, William being a Gardener, as follows: 17 March 1802 at Banbury St Mary Thomas GREGORY son of William & Elizabeth, Gardener 25 April 1804 at Banbury St Mary Sarah GREGORY daur of the late [blank] & Elizabeth 11 March 1804 at Banbury William GREGORY, Labr, buried No baptism for either Elizabeth or James at Banbury but it could well be that William & Elizabeth GREGORY only came to Banbury c1802. Elizabeth GREGORY snr looks to have remarried on 21 January 1813 at Banbury to a Richard BRAIN who was also a widower, the witness being an Elizabeth JACQUES. I also have the Northamptonshire Marriage Index CD 1700-1837 and there is no marriage for a William WILLOUGHBY (or variants) to an Elizabeth on that, although there are WILLOUGHBY marriages with a Preston Capes connection on there. I also cannot find a marriage between Harriet WILLOUGHBY & William ALLINSON on the Northamptonshire Marriage Index 1837-1860 CD - another piece of negative information I'm afraid. Janet > I am sure William WILLOUGHBY's wife is Elizabeth GREGORY and they were > married in Middlesex but my evidence so far would not stand up in a court > of > law. I believe Elizabeth's brother is James GREGORY and he married his > wife > at the same church in Middlesex. The strongest link I have is that William > and Elizabeth looked after James's two children when his first wife died.

Penny, It is a problem to know where to start as I have quite a lot of information on this branch of my family tree!! I am sure William WILLOUGHBY's wife is Elizabeth GREGORY and they were married in Middlesex but my evidence so far would not stand up in a court of law. I believe Elizabeth's brother is James GREGORY and he married his wife at the same church in Middlesex. The strongest link I have is that William and Elizabeth looked after James's two children when his first wife died. There is also a link with Emma WILLOUGHBY working for her uncle James GREGORY when he was in the Greenwich. I have yet to find baptism records for Elizabeth and James GREGORY but I do have a clue as to their parents and siblings. I am sure the father is William GREGORY and he was a gardener. The Harriet WILLOUGHBY (baptised March 1831) you mention is probably my great great great aunt, but unfortunately I do not have a record of a William ALLINSON. I will study my notes and make some enquiries and contact you again shortly. I would be happy to communicate with the couple you are doing this research for. Kind regards, Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: <PennyEves@aol.com> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:01 PM Subject: [BAN] New Member Seeking Help with WILLOUGHBY Baptisms/Marriage inBanbury Area > Hi Brian ... > > Very many thanks for your reply and the information. > > I had come across that WILLOUGHBY/GREGORY marriage in Middlesex (courtesy > of Ancestry's new London Marriages database) and while the date looked > good > I had no reason to believe that they could be the couple I was looking > for. > Do you have any "proof" that this is the correct couple? Is there any > record of an Elizabeth GREGORY baptised around Neithrop/Banbury in 1793/4? > Having had a quick "Google", the only instance I can find of a GREGORY > connection to Neithrop is in the Gardner's 1852 Oxfordshire Directory > (Banbury > section) where there is a Carter listed - "GREGORY Nathaniel, Neithrop" - > possibly a relation of Elizabeth??? > > I should say that these are not my ancestors - I'm doing this research on > behalf of a couple who contacted me through the Preston Capes website > after > they saw information on the WILLOUGHBY family in the genealogy database. > Initially, they are trying to find out about their ancestor William > ALLINSON, a well-travelled soldier, who is recorded on the 1851 census at > the > Weedon Barracks (along with an 8 year old son). In the Autumn of the > same year, > William and Harriet WILLOUGHBY (d. William and Elizabeth) are registering > the birth of their first child in Portsmouth. On the 1851 census, > Harriet > is recorded as "unmarried" and living with her family in Preston Capes! > William and Harriet's marriage does not seem to appear on the GRO indexes, > and in a few days time I will be having a look at the actual marriage > register to see if they married at Preston Capes (but did not register > the > marriage). Do you have any information on Harriet which may clarify > this? > > I shall be contacting this couple again after I've checked the register, > and would be happy to put you in touch with them (if they are agreeable). > > Regards, > Penny

Hi Brian ... Very many thanks for your reply and the information. I had come across that WILLOUGHBY/GREGORY marriage in Middlesex (courtesy of Ancestry's new London Marriages database) and while the date looked good I had no reason to believe that they could be the couple I was looking for. Do you have any "proof" that this is the correct couple? Is there any record of an Elizabeth GREGORY baptised around Neithrop/Banbury in 1793/4? Having had a quick "Google", the only instance I can find of a GREGORY connection to Neithrop is in the Gardner's 1852 Oxfordshire Directory (Banbury section) where there is a Carter listed - "GREGORY Nathaniel, Neithrop" - possibly a relation of Elizabeth??? I should say that these are not my ancestors - I'm doing this research on behalf of a couple who contacted me through the Preston Capes website after they saw information on the WILLOUGHBY family in the genealogy database. Initially, they are trying to find out about their ancestor William ALLINSON, a well-travelled soldier, who is recorded on the 1851 census at the Weedon Barracks (along with an 8 year old son). In the Autumn of the same year, William and Harriet WILLOUGHBY (d. William and Elizabeth) are registering the birth of their first child in Portsmouth. On the 1851 census, Harriet is recorded as "unmarried" and living with her family in Preston Capes! William and Harriet's marriage does not seem to appear on the GRO indexes, and in a few days time I will be having a look at the actual marriage register to see if they married at Preston Capes (but did not register the marriage). Do you have any information on Harriet which may clarify this? I shall be contacting this couple again after I've checked the register, and would be happy to put you in touch with them (if they are agreeable). Regards, Penny

Oh, that is very sad, I was in contact with Vera, early on in my research, as we both had Geden/Gaden. Condolences to all her family x On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Neil Grantham <neil40@btinternet.com>wrote: > Thanks Angela > > Sad news. Was it not Vera who created the book on the Pubs and Inns of > Banbury? > > Neil > > > > > ________________________________ > From: ANGELA ALLEN <angela.allen72@btinternet.com> > To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 13 April, 2010 9:53:17 > Subject: [BAN] Fw: [OXF] Vera Wood > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Archer" <wharcher@cvd.co.uk> > To: <eng-banbury-area-admin@rootsweb.com> > > > > Rosemary & Angela - > > > > Please feel free to pass this news on if you wish. > > > > Wendy > > > > Oxfordshire FHS has heard that Vera Wood, who transcribed, typed and > > indexed > > the parish registers of most of the north of the county for our Society, > > sadly died a few days before Easter. > > > > Her obituary, together with details of the funeral, to be held in > > Adderbury > > on 14 April, is in the Banbury Guardian at > > http://announce.jpress.co.uk/3788174 . > > > > The Society will be represented at Vera's funeral, and much appreciates > > her > > contribution to our resources. > > > > Wendy > > Chairman, Oxfordshire FHS > > > > > Some useful websites: > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Some useful websites: > FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > FREEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ > FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >