Will answer myself.....so it must be. Thanks for your patience. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Bloom" <jilby@onetel.com> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: [BAN] Correct address > Hi again, > Please could you let me know whether this is now coming up correctly? The trouble with having a lovely family who did everything to get me going on the computer a couple of years ago is that they are normally 500 miles away and I haven't a clue how to set it up! Have had a go, anyway! > Jill > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi again, Please could you let me know whether this is now coming up correctly? The trouble with having a lovely family who did everything to get me going on the computer a couple of years ago is that they are normally 500 miles away and I haven't a clue how to set it up! Have had a go, anyway! Jill

Yes Jill. Coming through loud and clear! We were all novices at one time, and most people fall behind with the latest technology. So don't worry. You are amongst friends!! Ian

Hi Jill, Chipping Norton PR's; 8 Feb 1818 WHEELER Maria Faulkner d John & Sarah taylor Over Norton 2 Apr 1820 " Edwin s " " " " " 14 Oct 1821 " Samuel s " " " " " 21 Jul 1823 " Ann d " " " " " 19 Aug 1827 " Emma d " " " " " 19 Aug 1827 " Amela d " " " " " 29 Nov 1829 " Lousia d " " " " " 1 Jan 1832 " Adelaide d " " " " " 9 Jul 1837 " Joseph s " " " " " 2 Aug 1840 " Mary Jane d " " " " " burials; 4 Feb1838 WHEELER Joseph inft. Over Norton 18 May 1856 " Emma 30 " " 28 Feb 1867 " John 84 " " 23 Jan 1872 " Sarah 81 Chipping Norton 1851 Census Over Norton HO107/1732 folio 503 # 8 Mansion House DAWKINS Henry HD m 62 Colonel in Army MDX London " Emma WI m 52 YKS Langton? " Clinton SO u 23 Lieutenant in Army MDX London " Harriett DA u 20 " " " Emma DA u 16 OXF Over Norton GIBBS Richard xx u 23 (Footman) " Evesham FORTY John xx u 19 (Groom) GLS Stow on Wold WHEELER Ann SV u 27 OXF Over Norton PREEDY Julia SV u 20 " Wootton HUDSON Eliza SV u 25 " Gloucester City EDEN Elizabeth SV u 27 WAR Mollington DRAPER Julia SV u 19 OXF Chipping Norton folio 504 # 13 WHEELER John HD m 66 Tailor OXF Over Norton " Sarah WI m 55 " " " " Caroline DA u 19 Gen Serv " " " " Jane DA u 11 Scholar " " " I have WATSONs, BROOKS & FAULKNERs in my lines. HTH, Bill Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Allen" <angela-ban@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:02 AM Subject: [BAN] WHEELER; BUTLER; FAULKNER > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill Bloom" <jilby@onetel.net.uk> > To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:52 AM > Subject: {not a subscriber} WHEELER; BUTLER; FAULKNER > > > > Hullo, > > This is a first posting to you - I have been told that this is a very helpful list for anyone researching the Chipping Norton/Over > Norton area. > > Can anyone connect with the following, please? > > > > I am just beginning on my (paternal) great-grandmother's family. 1871 census (Wandsworth,Sy.) gives ANN Scott (b.WHEELER) age 45, > b.Over Norton, Oxfordshire. > > > > The IGI lists the following offspring of John WHEELER and Sarah, all c.Chipping Norton: > > > > Maria Faulkner 8.2.1818 > > Edwin 2.4.1820 > > Samuel 14.10 1821 > > ANN 21.7.1823 (this date confirmed by death at Winchester, 1915, age 92) > > Emma and Amelia (twins) 19.8.1827 > > Louisa 29.11.1829 > > Adelaide 1.1.1832 > > Joseph 9.7.1837 > > Mary Jane 2.8.1840 > > (if anyone is able to verify/correct the above from registers etc., that would be great!) > > > > The following verified by sks Oxfordshire list: > > John WHEELER (widower) married Sarah BUTLER at Chipping Norton 2 June 1817 > > > > John WHEELER married Ann FLETCHER at Chipping Norton 15 May 1814 > > > > Samuel WHEELER married Elizabeth FAULKNER (both of Over Norton) at Chipping > > Norton on 17 October 1780 > > (N.B. John and Sarah's eldest child) > > > > (These from Oxfordshire FHS Marriage Index.) > > > > As I notice there really is an Ann Wheeler contributing to your list, I live in hope that someone may recognise this family! (At > last.....) > > Best wishes, > > Jill > > in Norfolk > > > > (Also researching Scott, Watson, Wighton [PER] Norton, Brooks, Allen, Ellis, Plunket [NFK] Scott, Ashley [CAN]) > > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Sounds good Ian, Looking forward to receiving them for a good read. Take care Diane >From: IRHUCKIN@aol.com >Reply-To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BAN] The Books! >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:21:29 EDT > >Just a quick update whilst it is quiet. >I have made all the amendments needed and am currently getting ready to >print >all three volumes after a very brief scan of them. Work gets in the way >sometimes!! >I am having to make some small changes to the cover designs. This is to >allow >for volume printing. Printing is going to take a couple of weeks at least. >I am going to do 60 copies initially. If all get sold, then I will do some >more. I may try and get some publicity in the Banbury Guardian too. >Take care everyone, > > >Ian > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Bloom" <jilby@onetel.net.uk> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} WHEELER; BUTLER; FAULKNER > Hullo, > This is a first posting to you - I have been told that this is a very helpful list for anyone researching the Chipping Norton/Over Norton area. > Can anyone connect with the following, please? > > I am just beginning on my (paternal) great-grandmother's family. 1871 census (Wandsworth,Sy.) gives ANN Scott (b.WHEELER) age 45, b.Over Norton, Oxfordshire. > > The IGI lists the following offspring of John WHEELER and Sarah, all c.Chipping Norton: > > Maria Faulkner 8.2.1818 > Edwin 2.4.1820 > Samuel 14.10 1821 > ANN 21.7.1823 (this date confirmed by death at Winchester, 1915, age 92) > Emma and Amelia (twins) 19.8.1827 > Louisa 29.11.1829 > Adelaide 1.1.1832 > Joseph 9.7.1837 > Mary Jane 2.8.1840 > (if anyone is able to verify/correct the above from registers etc., that would be great!) > > The following verified by sks Oxfordshire list: > John WHEELER (widower) married Sarah BUTLER at Chipping Norton 2 June 1817 > > John WHEELER married Ann FLETCHER at Chipping Norton 15 May 1814 > > Samuel WHEELER married Elizabeth FAULKNER (both of Over Norton) at Chipping > Norton on 17 October 1780 > (N.B. John and Sarah's eldest child) > > (These from Oxfordshire FHS Marriage Index.) > > As I notice there really is an Ann Wheeler contributing to your list, I live in hope that someone may recognise this family! (At last.....) > Best wishes, > Jill > in Norfolk > > (Also researching Scott, Watson, Wighton [PER] Norton, Brooks, Allen, Ellis, Plunket [NFK] Scott, Ashley [CAN]) > >

Just a quick update whilst it is quiet. I have made all the amendments needed and am currently getting ready to print all three volumes after a very brief scan of them. Work gets in the way sometimes!! I am having to make some small changes to the cover designs. This is to allow for volume printing. Printing is going to take a couple of weeks at least. I am going to do 60 copies initially. If all get sold, then I will do some more. I may try and get some publicity in the Banbury Guardian too. Take care everyone, Ian

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> Thomas BLACKWELLwas born in about 1770 and was buried on 15 September > 1820.[1]  He married Sarah DIGHTUM, both of Akeley, Buckinghamshire, > by Banns in the presence of James CLAYDONand Lydia DIGHTUM on 27 > February 1806. We have found the above information in the Akeley, Buckingham, parish registers. Does anybody know when Sarah died? There's a possibility that Thomas remarried to an Elizabeth by 1808. Or maybe there are two Thomas Blackwell's in the area at that time. I am trying to figure out which. Can anyone help? Thanks! ------------------------------- Nancy Ward NWard2@twcny.rr.com Syracuse, New York

Hi Rosemary, Here's a start for Phyllis ........... Elizabeth may have 'died' in Banbury but she is 'buried' in Chipping Warden - so it will be recorded in C.W. PR's I have taken a digi pic of Elizabeth's grave which I will send you later to pass onto Phyllis - headstone reads .......... *IAR of Elizabeth beloved wife of William Death who departed this life December 11th 1868 aged 47? years* But then if William (found by Brenda) in the NJ 1880 census was the husband of Elizabeth -from the dates we are working with she would have been 14 yrs older than Wm - possible I know! If Phyllis does not have a marriage for Wm & Eliz. -- probably that was also at CW & she was of the DOUGLAS family, as her grave is surrounded by DOUGLAS family members -- a big CW family name. I don't have the records for CW - but COBS holds them - will try & look in the week for further info. Would Phyllis like to join our group?? Angela :>) Admin Banbury List Hi, I've been sent this message from Phyllis Kent directly > through the Banburyshire website. > Can anyone help her? > Rosemary > > | I am trying to locate information about the parents of Nellie Death, my > | great grandmother. I only have a few clues about them. Nellie was born in England > | March 8, 1860. I do not know where. I have a memorial card for Elizabeth > | Death who died Dec 11,1868 in Banbury, interred at Chipping Warden. She was born > | in 1821 but I do not know where.I believe her husband's name was William and > | I have no information on him at all. I live in the US and I do not know how > | to further research this family. I thought that since Elizabeth was buried in > | Banbury, Nellie may have been born there. Nellie eventually came to NJ where > | she married Henry T. Benjamin around 1880. She died in Hawthorne, NJ Jan > | 22.1936. Does anyone have an info on this family or suggestions about where I > | can check for other leads? > | > | Phyllis Benjamin Kent > | > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

A statement like that could apply to many things - but I never expected to use it within the context of Ancestry.com - but I find that I must. I had spent many frustrating hours trying to find my maternal grandfather and his family on the govt's 1901 census site (I knew who he was and I knew who his parents were - but I didn't know whether I'd found all of his siblings) but without any success at all - despite using wild cards and every possible spelling variation/transcription error that I could think of. Result: nada ! So this morning I thought I would take the opportunity to try Ancestry using the new Gale log-on that so many on the Lists have been talking about. Result: instant success !!! And yes there were a couple of sibs that I didn't know about. So what can I say except Hooray for Ancestry. John Plester. Researching: PLESTER, JOINES, and TAPLIN, in OXF and BUSH, and CLARKE in WAR

Rosemary, I've had a snoop around for this lady and her family. I found her and her husband Henry Benjamin in Paterson, NJ, in the 1880 census. They had a young son, Henry T. Benjamin (jr?). (Year: 1880; Census Place: Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey; Roll: T9_795; Family History Film: 1254795; Page: 67C; Enumeration District: 153; Image: 0136.) I also looked her up in the 1930 census for New Jersey, and sure enough she is there, age 69, widowed, born in England. An important fact is that she emigrated to the US in 1872. I thought this seemed a bit young for her to come on her own. Working on the theory that perhaps she came over with some rellies, I had a look again in the NJ census for any DEATH family. Sure enough, I found a William DEATH, age 45, and his wife Margarett, age 40, both born in England, and also living in Paterson. (Year: 1880; Census Place: Paterson, Passaic, New Jersey; Roll: T9_796; Family History Film: 1254796; Page: 364B; Enumeration District: 167; Image: 0512.) Could this be Nellie's father and stepmother? This might give someone more information to work with. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Brenda NZ > > Hi, I've been sent this message from Phyllis Kent directly > through the Banburyshire website. > > Can anyone help her? > > Rosemary > > > | I am trying to locate information about the parents of Nellie Death, my > | great grandmother. I only have a few clues about them. Nellie was born > in England > | March 8, 1860. I do not know where. I have a memorial card for > Elizabeth > | Death who died Dec 11,1868 in Banbury, interred at Chipping Warden. > She was born > | in 1821 but I do not know where.I believe her husband's name was > William and > | I have no information on him at all. I live in the US and I do not > know how > | to further research this family. I thought that since Elizabeth was > buried in > | Banbury, Nellie may have been born there. Nellie eventually came to NJ > where > | she married Henry T. Benjamin around 1880. She died in Hawthorne, NJ > Jan > | 22.1936. Does anyone have an info on this family or suggestions about > where I > | can check for other leads? > | > | Phyllis Benjamin Kent > | > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > -- Brenda Anderson Masterton, New Zealand (gary.brenda@xtra.co.nz)

Hi, I've been sent this message from Phyllis Kent directly through the Banburyshire website. Can anyone help her? Rosemary | I am trying to locate information about the parents of Nellie Death, my | great grandmother. I only have a few clues about them. Nellie was born in England | March 8, 1860. I do not know where. I have a memorial card for Elizabeth | Death who died Dec 11,1868 in Banbury, interred at Chipping Warden. She was born | in 1821 but I do not know where.I believe her husband's name was William and | I have no information on him at all. I live in the US and I do not know how | to further research this family. I thought that since Elizabeth was buried in | Banbury, Nellie may have been born there. Nellie eventually came to NJ where | she married Henry T. Benjamin around 1880. She died in Hawthorne, NJ Jan | 22.1936. Does anyone have an info on this family or suggestions about where I | can check for other leads? | | Phyllis Benjamin Kent |

Hi All, I've had a rather hectic time lately, and I know I owe quite a few of you replies. I'm hoping to get on top of them this weekend. Happy burrowing, Rosemary, Northumberland UK ............................................................ Webmaster for Banburyshire Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/index.htm Email: banbury@prob.freeserve.co.uk ............................................................

Sorry! In the interests of historical accuracy the title should have read "Eliza: Fifty years on". Len

Eliza: forty-six years on. Eliza sat at the oilcloth-covered kitchen table, her hands clasped around her cup of tea. The kettle hissed gently on the black kitchen range as drops of hot water escaped the ill-fitting lid and dropped upon the hot metal. The oil lamp flickered and, had there been anybody to notice, they would have seen the light reflected in the tear that rolled slowly down her cheek. ‘What am I to do now?’ she thought. It was a bleak prospect. She had been sixteen when she left her job as servant to John Wilkes, the butcher in Hook Norton, and moved with her father, mother and her sisters to Kilburn in North West London. Life had become very hard in North Oxfordshire for her father William Wheeler and her mother, Mary, and she remembered the excitement as they all made plans for a new start in the big city. Alas things soon went wrong. Her father died soon after they moved and left his Wroxton born wife Mary to cope with looking after the five girls. Everybody did what they could. Mary took in laundry and the older girls went out as servants. Another source of income came from taking in a lodger.That was how Eliza had come to meet and wed William Denham, a cooper, who had taken their room to relieve pressure on his own family who lived a few streets away. It was a pity that their parents didn’t approve but they were married anyway at St James’ Church in Westminster and nobody noticed that William had lied a little about his age and she didn’t care anyway. They were in love and a girl had to take her chance when it came and she had been past twenty-five years old. Love or no love, she had soon realized that she had stepped out of the frying pan into the fire. They had produced six children over sixteen years and nobody knew how many that could have been. Her training as a servant had stood her in good stead when looking for work but pregnancies and looking after the family had meant taking employment as a charwoman. She had spent so much time cleaning for other people it left precious little for her own home. Not that there was much of it to clean. And now William was gone. She had seen it coming as his chest got worse and worse but it was still a blow. Young William, her eldest, was married now but he could not be expected to help. He had a wife and three young daughters to look after and living in one room, too. Rebecca was all set to get married next year. She was a good girl and it was not fair to stand in her way but she would miss her. That would leave her with the other four boys. Still, ‘God’s good’, she thought, ‘if he don’t come he sends. And sitting here feeling sorry for myself won’t get me anywhere. I’d better get those beds made a bit sharpish’. Ian &Rosemary: Please use if you wish. Len

Thanks folks, you came up trumps there! To respond to some points: Bill:- Thanks for the MIDWINTER's, Amy's marriage to Isaac WEBB in 1868 suggests she was born around 1847, but no bap. entry in Kirtlington. As a boat family, I know well what that means, she could have been baptised anywhere up the canal, though most seemed to return to a particular parish for this, but not exclusively. Denise:- I did know the RANDLE's came from Coventry, a cousin of mine who is a descendant of Millicent SKUCE (mentioned elsewhere in replies - see also below) had some information on them, they were in the Weaving or spinning industry around Shutford Barb: I have Millicent and Mary SKUCE recorded from the Methodist records, they were two of my Grandmothers sisters. Mary died as a child, but Milly as she was known, moved to Crowhurst in Sussex. I met her once when she was about 90, she was marvellous woman. The man she married, she had nursed his sick wife, and was, from what I can gather, the unofficial nurse of the village, doing many good deeds. Thank you all again Neil

Hello Chris, I don't know if you have any of this information already, but I have looked at the PR Transcripts for Shutford and have come up with the following Hatl(e)ys: Burials: 05.05.1778 HATLY, Elizabeth 29.05.1780 HATLY, William (HATLEY) 19.01.1799 HATLY, John, 55 01.05.1805 HATLEY, Ann, Roman, 58 12.05.1812 HATLEY, William, 74, Papist 09.06.1812 HATLEY, Arabella, 72, Papist 05.12.1814 HATLEY, Clement, infant 22.02.1846 HATLEY, Elizabeth, 9 mths. SW, Roman Catholic Parents 12.03.1846 HATLEY, Ann, 65, SW Roman Catholic 04.03.1853 HATLEY, Horatio, 76 29.12.1860 HATLEY, Alfred, 50 12.06.1869 HATLEY, Edmund, 51 07.01.1873 HATLEY, Caleb Clements, 56, Banbury. There were no entries in the Baptisms or Marriages for HATL(E)Ys. No ROSE burials, but one marriage: 07.12.1854 ROSE X John, f.a., bach., lab., o.t.p., son Joseph, lab. COLES X Hannah, f.a., sp., o.t.p., d. Edward, lab. Witness James X ROSE, Mary X COLES banns One ROSE baptism: 19.10.1856 ROSE Thomas Henry, son John, lab. and Hannah. Hope this helps in some way. Janet Booth Cheshire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Gibbins" <cmgibbins@tiscali.co.uk> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: RE: [BAN] What is this list for? HATLEY of Shutford > Dear List and Angela, > > My research in the area is the name HATLEY from Shutford, a Catholic family > of papermakers. > > Lewis HATLEY, son of John and Ann ROSE b. abt 1781 > > In his will dated 1799 John HATLEY leaves his house in Shutford to Lewis and his > blacksmith shop in Epwell to his son John Constantine. The shop was in tenure > to James PRUE and Richard WALKER. > > Lewis must have left Shutford in the early 1800s. He is next found marrying > Sarah Hooper in 1810 in South Stoneham Hampshire. He and his family then > ran The Post Office there for many years, but Lewis always gave his trade > as papermaker. > > John Constantine also went to Hampshire as his shown on deeds as having land in > South Stoneham in 1815. John was also a papermaker. > > I would to hear more about this family and the local history of Shutford and > papermaking in that area at the time. I also have the tree and my notes to pass on. > > Thank you. > > Best wishes, > Chris. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spencer Allen [mailto:angela-ban@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: 11 August 2004 10:12 > To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BAN] What is this list for? > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.734 / Virus Database: 488 - Release Date: 04/08/2004 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear List and Angela, My research in the area is the name HATLEY from Shutford, a Catholic family of papermakers. Lewis HATLEY, son of John and Ann ROSE b. abt 1781 In his will dated 1799 John HATLEY leaves his house in Shutford to Lewis and his blacksmith shop in Epwell to his son John Constantine. The shop was in tenure to James PRUE and Richard WALKER. Lewis must have left Shutford in the early 1800s. He is next found marrying Sarah Hooper in 1810 in South Stoneham Hampshire. He and his family then ran The Post Office there for many years, but Lewis always gave his trade as papermaker. John Constantine also went to Hampshire as his shown on deeds as having land in South Stoneham in 1815. John was also a papermaker. I would to hear more about this family and the local history of Shutford and papermaking in that area at the time. I also have the tree and my notes to pass on. Thank you. Best wishes, Chris. -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Allen [mailto:angela-ban@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 11 August 2004 10:12 To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAN] What is this list for? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.734 / Virus Database: 488 - Release Date: 04/08/2004

My particular area of concern. The GILBERT family. John GILBERT of Boddington had four known children. Elizabeth bap 1688 Thomas bap 1690 Alice bap 1692 John bap 1697 James GILBERT (m Ann CLUES 1759) of Boddington had two known children. John born abt 1756 James bap 1759 It is my hope (alright then, belief) that James was the son of a child of John. For those still with me, the father of James (born abt 1734) was possibly Thomas (b1690), John (b1696) or another brother. Or someone else entirely. All candidates have three days. Use both sides of the paper. Smokey Checked by Norton 2004 before transmission with Mozilla Thunderbird