Congrats to all ! Seems like Friday is a good day for moving as I will be too - so I'm unsubbing for a while Margaret Hunt Perth, Western Australia IRHUCKIN@aol.com wrote: >Dear List. >Angela has asked me to pass her apologies on. She is still computerless!! >And, to top it all, she is moving on Friday. She reckons they will have to send >the computer to Yeovil Comet. But she is determined to get it sorted, by hook >or by crook!! >Helen is staying on as temporary list admin for now. I personally thank her >for that. >I will keep you upadted as I get any news. >By the way, I am a granddad again. Daughter had a daughter this morning >(27th). Carla Louise Ellen. 8lb6oz - A Porker!!! > > >Ian > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > >
It's Nanna and Bamps. My Eldest granddaughter christened me, but my Wife's title is by design. She says Gran sounds old!! She is only 46! The books are posted off, so expect them soon everyone who has sent the cash. Thank you, Ian
Congrats to Gramp - Gran - Mum & Dad. Or whatever you are all called. Dawn
Seven o'clock every morning (including Saturday), and a large herd of double-decker buses sat purring in the central bus station. Their destination blinds provided a roll call of once-proud names: Daimler, Morris, Jaguar, Wickman, Herberts, Standard, Alvis .. the list goes on. Employees made their way into the town centre and boarded a free bus which delivered them directly into the premises of their employer. A return service was provided in the evening. The principal competition was bicycles. Darwin principles meant that factory gates were left completely clear at five o'clock, as the evening hooter heralded an avalanche of massed cyclists which stopped for no-one. Very little company car parking was available; but there were rows and rows of bicycle racks. There were some private motorists; the Superintendent with his bowler hat drove an ancient Siddeley car, whilst senior staff seemed to favour the Standard 10 model. On reflection, the class distinctions were unbelievable. My employer operated five canteen separate arrangements for lunch. A bare table area for shop-floor workers, a paper-covered table area for weekly staff, a cloth-covered table area (with drinking water) for monthly staff, a separated dining area (with waitress service) for management, and a darkly mysterious entertainment suite for superior creatures. There was also a hierarchy of tableware. This ranged from thick white crockery as smashed in Greek restaurants, up to thin china with a tasteful green and gold line around the rim. Democracy also took a hammering during tea breaks. In the trenches we queued for a metal mug of tea from Veronica’s trolley. Shop-floor supervision had a crock mug of tea delivered to their desks. Monthly staff received a china cup and saucer with two arrowroot biscuits, delivered on a metal tray. Senior Management left to attend important liaison meetings. I find it difficult to believe myself. It is also surprising that everyone accepted this environment. In a strange way, it provided public recognition of advancement through the ranks. Smokey Checked by Norton 2004 before transmission with Mozilla Thunderbird
Dear List. Angela has asked me to pass her apologies on. She is still computerless!! And, to top it all, she is moving on Friday. She reckons they will have to send the computer to Yeovil Comet. But she is determined to get it sorted, by hook or by crook!! Helen is staying on as temporary list admin for now. I personally thank her for that. I will keep you upadted as I get any news. By the way, I am a granddad again. Daughter had a daughter this morning (27th). Carla Louise Ellen. 8lb6oz - A Porker!!! Ian
Offline, what is the address? -- Joe Connell Checked by Norton 2004 before transmission with Mozilla Thunderbird
Sorry Ian -- what do I owe? -- Joe Connell Checked by Norton 2004 before transmission with Mozilla Thunderbird
Sorry internet been out of action since moving so how much do I need to send to recieve books I belive I asked for 3 Rhoda
Just to let you know I have all the books ready for sending out, and I am sending them out tomorrow and Tuesday. Those who have sent me the money, (or contributed and live locally) can expect them very soon. Those that have yet to send me the filthy lucre, please send it when you are ready. Soon would be very nice (pretty please!!!!) as I have to recoupe my outlay! If I have received yours, I will have sent you an e-mail off-list acknowledging receipt. If you have sent it and have not had one from me, blame Royal Mail!! Incidentally, the official publishing date is 4th October, so you are getting a pre-publication set. If these go well, there will be a Volume 4. The groundwork is already in place for that, and I have enough material. Thanks for all your time and patience, Ian Huckin
Hi, Smokey What a good read. Thanks for sharing. British products ... I'm reminded of high school days in a village on the coast of British Columbia. Twin sets were the height of fashion in those days. Mrs. Hamilton, herself a British export, sold ladies wear in a tiny shop near the post office. Money earned by 'babysitting' was invested in good British woollen sweaters (jumpers) -- St, Michael's brand. I learned the connection with Marks and Spencer when its first shop in Vancouver opened decades later. Best wishes, Frances original message: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-D Digest V04 #330 >X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:17:27 +0100 >From: Joe Connell <jfc.public@virgin.net> >To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Memoroies of the 50s > >School days eventually came to an end, and were followed by an >five-year engineering apprenticeship. The Coventry area hummed with >companies involved in machine tool manufacture. The hum came from >the heavy mineral oil used for cooling machining operation. Whilst >at school an entrance examination had been taken, and one week after >leaving school I was in control of my first machine, a centre lathe. > >There was a surprising absence of bureaucracy. On my first morning >I was given a pair of overalls, introduced to the foreman, taken to >my machine, and told that the man in front would explain what to do. >For some time I did very little. His lecture on the wisdom of >wearing safety glasses was unforgettably illustrated by removal of >his glass eye. > >My industrial career started at the peak of post-war engineering; >British products had an enviable International reputation. No >numerical or program control systems; each component was produced >individually, the machine being controlled entirely through the >skill of the operator, and possibly a setter. This involved >calculation of gear trains and allowances for backlash. My career >ended with manufacturing having almost completely disappeared from >the Coventry area. I don't think I was entirely responsible. > >Training consisted of spending a three-month period in different >areas of the factory; with one day of attendance each week at the >technical college. One could not choose the allocated area, and >some were better than others. Worst perhaps was the time spent in >Heat Treatment, removing white hot metal items from furnaces and >plunging them into oil baths. Spectacular, but at that temperature >the novelty soon wore off. I didn't enjoy packing the cyanide >furnaces ( and wash your hands before eating any sandwiches.). I >preferred my time spent in the Drawing Office. ( I'm not >daydreaming -- I'm designing.) > >The standard of training depended entirely on the attitude of >adjacent workers, anything produced that passed quality inspection >being credited to the section. No module testing, no feedback other >than a weekly tick by the section foreman ( is that lad still with >us?). At the end of three months, musical chairs again. I wonder >anyone survived. > >I finished my time as a design draughtsman. By that time the >Company had opened a training school, attended by all first-year >apprentices. > >Smokey >
Just a quick update on how I am getting on. Well, all the printing is done. I now have to assemble them all. As I have no machine to do them, I have to do them handraulically!! Sadly I have had a shoulder problem this week (Actually it is always there. Just flares up from time to time). Hence I am a little late. It is getting better and I have got the first volume assembled. Hopefully the rest will be done before it gives up again! Literally, all I have to do then is staple them and post them. I hope for early next week, so fingers crossed, Ian
School days eventually came to an end, and were followed by an five-year engineering apprenticeship. The Coventry area hummed with companies involved in machine tool manufacture. The hum came from the heavy mineral oil used for cooling machining operation. Whilst at school an entrance examination had been taken, and one week after leaving school I was in control of my first machine, a centre lathe. There was a surprising absence of bureaucracy. On my first morning I was given a pair of overalls, introduced to the foreman, taken to my machine, and told that the man in front would explain what to do. For some time I did very little. His lecture on the wisdom of wearing safety glasses was unforgettably illustrated by removal of his glass eye. My industrial career started at the peak of post-war engineering; British products had an enviable International reputation. No numerical or program control systems; each component was produced individually, the machine being controlled entirely through the skill of the operator, and possibly a setter. This involved calculation of gear trains and allowances for backlash. My career ended with manufacturing having almost completely disappeared from the Coventry area. I don't think I was entirely responsible. Training consisted of spending a three-month period in different areas of the factory; with one day of attendance each week at the technical college. One could not choose the allocated area, and some were better than others. Worst perhaps was the time spent in Heat Treatment, removing white hot metal items from furnaces and plunging them into oil baths. Spectacular, but at that temperature the novelty soon wore off. I didn't enjoy packing the cyanide furnaces (… and wash your hands before eating any sandwiches.). I preferred my time spent in the Drawing Office. (… I’m not daydreaming -- I'm designing.) The standard of training depended entirely on the attitude of adjacent workers, anything produced that passed quality inspection being credited to the section. No module testing, no feedback other than a weekly tick by the section foreman (… is that lad still with us?). At the end of three months, musical chairs again. I wonder anyone survived. I finished my time as a design draughtsman. By that time the Company had opened a training school, attended by all first-year apprentices. Smokey Checked by Norton 2004 before transmission with Mozilla Thunderbird
Hi Len and Fellow Listers, Back again! I really am doing a Jack-in- the -box act this week! Time someone shut down the lid, eh? The Turkey being dragged home was so well told that I could see it! Really cartoonable material isn't it? Was Grandfather reared on the story of "Epaminondas"? To my shame I am hazy about some of the story now, but he was a little coloured boy who did exactly as he was told, without thinking out the implications. Iremember that he had been told that you should put a puppy on a string and lead him home. The next time that he had to convey something from his aunts he towed it on a piece of string! Can't remember what it was, unless it was the loaf of bread. Somehow, using methods appropriate to one thing, but NOT the current one, he managed to carry butter on his head --under his cap, and drown his puppy. Oh yes, it comes back, the butter was to have been cooled in the water, (not the puppy)! And the piece deresistance was when he was told , "Mind how you step on dem pies!".So he did---right-- on-- everyone, as they lay cooling on the step!!! Your grandfather sounds a "right' character, and in retrospect his inebriated antics are amusing. But I remember your "walking marathons", Len, as your mother dragged you around with her seeking him. How tired your little legs would have been and what a lot of anxiety he must have caused the family. I can sympathise as one of my grandfathers had a feisty temperament which was exacerbated by drink. Mum and Auntie were never at the receiving end of his temper, but I believe Grandma was, in the few bits that we gleaned when it escaped the tight-lipped censorship of the family! Your turkey episode brought back the memory of an amusing happening during the war. One of Auntie's colleagues was the daughter of a well loved Congregational minister. A grateful parishioner brought along a duck for him for Christmas, and was duly thanked. But what to do with it? They were both vegetarians! So it was given to Auntie Florrie, who came home with it. It was not plucked and dressed, but in all its feathers and plastered with its original farmyard muck and mud! Oh dear! They gazed at it with dismay, until one of them said," What a mucky duck!" "Mucky duck, mucky duck", they repeated time and time again, with their eyes streaming, as they "fell about", laughing. Mum, the practical one soon had them organised, washing off the mud and defeathering and drawing it.It was a very welcome addition for a family experiencing the privations of rationing in a meat hungry nation. In the retelling, those involved seem to live again, though they have "left" us many years ago. I am sure that they are enjoying the memories, as much as we are, and perhaps have a hand in guiding us!!! Regards, Muriel.
Hi Dorothy I run XP Pro and Generations Grande Suite 8 with no problems, no need to do anything with the saved files before installing they will work as is. The Sierra website is no longer available for Generations as it has been sold and the new company are no longer continuing with Generations. Nicole -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Gibbs [mailto:dorothy.gibbs@pandorasbox2.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2004 5:48 a.m. To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAN] Generations Hi Folks, I think I saw a message on this list some time ago now saying that Generations wouldn't run under XP... can anyone tell me if that is true please? I have XP Pro. I have Generations on my old Win 95 computer and love the programme but would like to get rid of that machine if I can get all transferred to this one. Thanks Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs (in Hertfordshire, UK) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
It all depends on the version of Generations you are using. The Sierra versions are no longer supported and give problems. The Bruderbond version 8.5a is available from TWR computing very cheap and quick. (don't order from USA it will cost you a bomb in charges !!) Trevor Rix at TWR will also supply the patch for printing charts and is very helpful. There are a number of useful web sites these 2 are the active ones if I remember correctly. Generations Software Forum http://genforum.genealogy.com/generations/ Generation Tips http://users.sisna.com/mhobart/Generations/Generations%20Tips.html There are still a couple of problems 1 When entering data into a freeform field such as a UK Census source you need to tab to Preview before saving or you lose it. (Its Ok for the the Form bit though) 2 There is an interaction with some other products which cause lost data on the Find command in particular. In my case it was Opware32 (part of OmniPage)and the Freeserve Connection Monitor - neither of which are essential and can be disabled in your startup. I think these are covered on the web sites. Contact me if you are still having problems. It gets tricky if you really want to use the extra CDs - but who does? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Gibbs [mailto:dorothy.gibbs@pandorasbox2.demon.co.uk] Sent: 22 September 2004 18:48 To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Generations Hi Folks, I think I saw a message on this list some time ago now saying that Generations wouldn't run under XP... can anyone tell me if that is true please? I have XP Pro. I have Generations on my old Win 95 computer and love the programme but would like to get rid of that machine if I can get all transferred to this one. Thanks Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs (in Hertfordshire, UK) ______________________________
George Small point - you do not need to send Gedcoms to another person. You can save your old files to a Gedcom ( I suggest a new directory) and then import the Gedcom into your current program. I did it this way when transferring my files from Generations to Master Genealogist! Regards Helen Temp. List Admin. -----Original Message----- From: George T Tkach [mailto:jurajtkac@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2004 10:56 a.m. To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAN] Generations and XP Hello Dorothy Gibbs in Herefordshire, I have the same situation regarding Generations and XP. I downloaded the material I had collected regarding my families using Generations from Windows 98 onto floppies and then tried to upload to the XP into a new file but it would not take it. Seems Generations developed a file extension that does not work with anything but Generations. I would have had to re-install the blank Generations program and re-inserted everything bit by bit, which I am very hesitant to do. I believe another option, again I hesitate, is to re-install Generations and then Gedcom out to someone from the old computer who would Gedcom back to your new computer. My final solution was to keep the Generations program and all that material on the old computer and work on my charts from there exclusively and off-line. For further suggestions try Google "Generations and XP" because we were not the first to have this problem. Best of luck, George (in Pennsylvania, US)
Dorothy Contact the Program Website - not sure who it is now - perhaps a search on 'Google' will find it. There is an Upgrade available ( free) which enables the program ( i.e. Version 8) to run on XP. I don't think any earlier versions than that will be able to be run on XP, you may need to purchase an Upgrade. I think I read this in Family Tree Magazine " Connect Section", but don't quote me. Though possibly would be worth your while checking their site for back articles about 'Generations' I am not using Generations now - have changed to The Master Genealogist ", ( now available in UK edition) Best of Luck Helen Temp List Admin. -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Gibbs [mailto:dorothy.gibbs@pandorasbox2.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2004 5:48 a.m. To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAN] Generations Hi Folks, I think I saw a message on this list some time ago now saying that Generations wouldn't run under XP... can anyone tell me if that is true please? I have XP Pro. I have Generations on my old Win 95 computer and love the programme but would like to get rid of that machine if I can get all transferred to this one. Thanks Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs (in Hertfordshire, UK) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
Hi Friends, Back so soon? Well----oops! I made a slip, so thought that I had better get back on line, and correct it. In charting Sandy Macpherson's progress, I should have said that he left Wood Norton for Llandudno in 1941 and then removed to Bangor in 1943, where he played the loaned 5 manual concert organ. Sorry for about the carelessness---a too frequent Senior Moment, I'm afraid! Regards, Muriel.
Hi Friends, When I was in the Library today I thought that I would look for some copies of "This England" as I know that they profile the lives and careers of personalities of the musical world. Oh dear, seemingly out of luck with only one copy on the shelf! I leafed through it and hit the jackpot---just what I wanted to check out; but found in the blurb advertising CDs and Cassettes featuring familiar names, (at least to us oldies), produced for "this England" and sister magazine "Evergreen". I can't ever remember seeing it in print before, so perhaps you will forgive my error in the spelling of one name in my posting,"Pandora's Box---Sounds of Music". The correct spelling is Reginald Foort. The description which accompanied the advertisement for the choices offered was most informative. I learnt the following------- When the BBC evacuated staff at the outbreak of war they left behind only a couple of record producers and Sandy Macpherson, with the BBC organ in St John's hall. During the raids of 1940 this hall and the organ were destroyed. Broadcasts were then made on a Hammond organ at Wood Norton, near Evesham. But in 1941 a move was made to Bangor where Sandy played on a 5 manual concert grand (organ) on loan from Reginald Foort, his predecessor at the BBC in London. This organ was specially constructed so that it could tour the country, transported in several lorries ( trucks). After the war the organ was based in a disused chapel at Hoxton, in N. London and Sandy did several broadcasts per week from there, until his retirement. All this was new to me, and I found it interesting. Isn't it amazing that you can stumble upon information in the most unlikely places? Recorded music by the above two organists, as well as Reginald Dixon, featured in this magazine's releases. Also, greats in other musical areas caught my eye---Henry Hall, Peter Dawson, Evelyn Laye, Anne Ziegler & Webster Booth to name but a few, and of course others equally prominent whom I didn't happen to recognise. Which reminds me, I do remember hearing Julie Andrew's first introduction on the radio, by her parents. She was about thirteen at the time and sang like a lark in a high pure voice; a song which showed off her clear upper register. A star was born that night! It's time to stop the reminiscences for now. Regards, Muriel.
Hello Dorothy Gibbs in Herefordshire, I have the same situation regarding Generations and XP. I downloaded the material I had collected regarding my families using Generations from Windows 98 onto floppies and then tried to upload to the XP into a new file but it would not take it. Seems Generations developed a file extension that does not work with anything but Generations. I would have had to re-install the blank Generations program and re-inserted everything bit by bit, which I am very hesitant to do. I believe another option, again I hesitate, is to re-install Generations and then Gedcom out to someone from the old computer who would Gedcom back to your new computer. My final solution was to keep the Generations program and all that material on the old computer and work on my charts from there exclusively and off-line. For further suggestions try Google "Generations and XP" because we were not the first to have this problem. Best of luck, George (in Pennsylvania, US)