True to my word, I baked some bread and had it with (low fat!) butter and some home baked ham. Delicious! I even added some onion to a couple of the rolls, some curry powder to some more and some basil to others. All turned out the same mouthwatering way! Anyone drooling yet? Ian

Hi everyone, Rosemary, Helen & other list members have encouraged all to place a note of remembrance for family lost during various wars, either on the Banburyshire web site or through Banbury list. All of the battles they would have fought, are without doubt recorded in some way for future generations in our historical archives. What about the people that fought in them? By submitting your own family names for remembrance, the men, women & families that gave that ultimate sacrifice in hope of a better life for us, helps build those archives into something more personal than just a lost name or number. Please take time to include your relatives name - *you* may know of your families pride or the heartbreak they suffered - others maybe won't unless *you* tell the story. A good book for Banburyshire interests covers the beginings of war, soldiers billeted in Banbury, Red cross, rationing, peace rejoicings, war shrines & memorials, Roll of honour, Oxon & Bucks LI. Kevin also travelled to Arras/Somme etc for his research. The book includes a fair few pictures of here & France. 'Banbury during the Great War' by Kevin Northover Propsero Publications ISBN 1 899246 50 9 price £9.95 Available from Ottaker/WHS bookshops or Banbury Museum & TI centre Angela :>)

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In message <cf.1b757a55.2ec3895a@aol.com>, IRHUCKIN@aol.com writes >Sorry about this, but I need to check that my e-mail is working. > It is young Sir! Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs (in Hertfordshire UK)

Ian, Betty and all You'll have us all drooling!! Guzgogs haven't heard that name for them for years - but the imports of our emigrant forbears, still flourish here in NZ!! Nothing like the jam, or in a tart ! Yum !!!! We also grow Cape Guzzes!! for Jam, If I can gather them before the offspring strip the bush!! Still do even in their 30's!!! Also blackcurrants !! My favourite jam!! Can I come to lunch Ian ? The thought of Homemade bread and home cured ham is just too tempting !!! Forget about the waistlines!!! Helen Down-Under -----Original Message----- From: IRHUCKIN@aol.com [mailto:IRHUCKIN@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2004 1:08 a.m. To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAN] Re: Listers Memories. Guzgog jam, in fresh warm homemade bread with real butter. Sloshed down with a cuppa or two of tea, made with loose leaf and full fat milk (add sugar if you wish), strained with a metal strainer. I am a "milk in first" man myself. Homemade fruit cake or Victoria sponge for afters. Greengage and damson jam were pretty darn good too. Budger me Betty, you got my tastebuds overflowing now!! Gonna have to go bake some bread now. I have some home-cooked ham to go in it!! Ian ============================== OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx

Sorry about this, but I need to check that my e-mail is working. Ian

When you get over this way, you are more than welcome Helen. Ian

Dear Bill and Denise Thanks for your answers. Stoke Lyne is the earliest certain info I have on my family. As you say I'll have to try wills but as I don't know Richard's parents and where they were from, it is almost like looking for the proverbial needle. I was hoping that someone could establish whether Richard of Tysoe was married in Warks. Thanks for putting me right on my mental arithmetic. Yes, it is possible for 30 'rearing' years if one starts young enough, probably longer. If you have any other ideas, I'd be pleased to hear them. I think I'm going to have to go through all the Richards of that time and trace part of their family. Regards, Maureen.

Tony and Linda, Thank you for making these appalling facts known. Google was quick in finding the e-mail of Norman Lamb MP, and your suggestion has been followed. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: <Knightroots@aol.com> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:23 PM Subject: [BAN] War Grave Outrage > Taken fom AOL news: > > > Anger as Field of Fallen Heroes Becomes Tip > > A French battleground where 8,000 British soldiers lost their lives in > the > First World War is being turned into a rubbish dump. > Bulldozers are already desecrating the human remains which have lain > undisturbed since the Battle of Loos in 1915. > The bones of the dead are being churned and brought to the surface. > The timing of the move, just days before nations honour their war heroes > on > Remembrance Sunday, is a slap in the face for ex-servicemen and their > families. > . > More on Britain's Fallen Heroes > * _DocumentsOnline_ > (http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/) > * _1914-1918.net_ (http://1914-1918.net/) > > Already a campaign has been launched to stop the plans for a rubbish > dump. > Richard Lane, historian for the Royal Leicester Regiment, which lost more > than 500 men in the bloody assault, said: "It is utter desecration. > "If this was happening in England, the people responsible would be > arrested." > The Battle of Loos raged from September 25 to October 19 at Auchy les > Mines, > near Loos in northern France. > Thousands of soldiers showed incredible courage as they went "over the > top" > to march on a heavily armed German hillock. > More than 60,000 infantrymen, among them Rudyard Kipling's son John, were > killed, injured or taken prisoner. In all, 22 Victoria Crosses were > awarded for > heroism. > So many bodies were lost in the bloody quagmire, the field has become a > mass > grave to the missing. > We should protest to our MP's now! > Take care > Tony & Linda > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Taken fom AOL news: Anger as Field of Fallen Heroes Becomes Tip A French battleground where 8,000 British soldiers lost their lives in the First World War is being turned into a rubbish dump. Bulldozers are already desecrating the human remains which have lain undisturbed since the Battle of Loos in 1915. The bones of the dead are being churned and brought to the surface. The timing of the move, just days before nations honour their war heroes on Remembrance Sunday, is a slap in the face for ex-servicemen and their families. . More on Britain's Fallen Heroes * _DocumentsOnline_ (http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/) * _1914-1918.net_ (http://1914-1918.net/) Already a campaign has been launched to stop the plans for a rubbish dump. Richard Lane, historian for the Royal Leicester Regiment, which lost more than 500 men in the bloody assault, said: "It is utter desecration. "If this was happening in England, the people responsible would be arrested." The Battle of Loos raged from September 25 to October 19 at Auchy les Mines, near Loos in northern France. Thousands of soldiers showed incredible courage as they went "over the top" to march on a heavily armed German hillock. More than 60,000 infantrymen, among them Rudyard Kipling's son John, were killed, injured or taken prisoner. In all, 22 Victoria Crosses were awarded for heroism. So many bodies were lost in the bloody quagmire, the field has become a mass grave to the missing. We should protest to our MP's now! Take care Tony & Linda

REAL: GOOSEBERRIES..??? with Tops Tails and **Hair..??? >>My Mouth Waters for GuzGog.Jam... betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "pollyp" <pollyp@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: [BAN] Re: Listers Memories. is! > My fellow listers, from their narratives, confess to proven garden > skills. Alas and alack, Muriel, descended from generations of > green-fingered forebears, has inherited none of this. It is only safe > to allow me to prune the gooseberries! > That is enough nostalgia from me, now. Back to the present, in > which I still find so much to enjoy. > Regards, > Muriel. > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

REAL: GOOSEBERRIES..??? with Tops Tails and **Hair..??? >>My Mouth Waters for GuzGog.Jam... betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "pollyp" <pollyp@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: [BAN] Re: Listers Memories. is! > My fellow listers, from their narratives, confess to proven garden > skills. Alas and alack, Muriel, descended from generations of > green-fingered forebears, has inherited none of this. It is only safe > to allow me to prune the gooseberries! > That is enough nostalgia from me, now. Back to the present, in > which I still find so much to enjoy. > Regards, > Muriel. > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Guzgog jam, in fresh warm homemade bread with real butter. Sloshed down with a cuppa or two of tea, made with loose leaf and full fat milk (add sugar if you wish), strained with a metal strainer. I am a "milk in first" man myself. Homemade fruit cake or Victoria sponge for afters. Greengage and damson jam were pretty darn good too. Budger me Betty, you got my tastebuds overflowing now!! Gonna have to go bake some bread now. I have some home-cooked ham to go in it!! Ian

Dear Friends, Such a feast was presented to us, today----the memories of our fellow listers Joe (Smokey), Jill and Len! Thankyou so much. I enjoyed every word. As Jill said, "Joe had set her off". It has me too! Masser Rd. foxed me and I thought that I'd known my northern suburbs pretty well, so I got out my map and soon found it close to some of my old "stamping grounds", and the colliery line from the Coventry Colliery running alongside, too. Now I had the narrative "placed" and felt satisfied. My paternal grandparents' house was one of a terrace in Kingfield Rd., which had formerly been part of Narrow Lane. As you can guess from the earlier name this had been a very rural thoroughfare and it still retained many of those aspects. The backgardens of this terrace were very long and narrow with the bottom boundary being the Coventry to Nuneaton railway line, with its spurs serving the largest of the factories. There was room for a long clothesline or lines and an extensive vegetable garden. Coming from rural backgrounds they naturally grew and made use of all their produce. My sole first cousin remembers grandma's pantry stocked with bottles of home-made wine! Sad to say I have no recall of this, although I was the elder by two years. Early in the war walks with my small brother frequently took me to two local footbridges spanning this line; the favourite being the one nearest to Foleshill station. From this splendid vantage-point, peering through the lattice sides we could watch the shunting operations in the nearby marshalling yards, and wait for an engine to pass beneath us. Whereupon we disappeared into a cloud of smoke, steam and smuts! This was the whole aim of the exercise for my small brother ---his happiness was complete! My maternal grandfather also saucered his tea if it was too hot. He wasn't the only one of that generation, either! Like you,Joe, our young efforts to mimic the elderly was not encouraged by our parents! We had an extra dimension to the "saucering", though, as my Grandad Lucas's black retriever dog liked his cup of tea too. It had to be poured into the saucer, sugared and milked, but before he would drink it he had to see an extra dollop of milk added. Satisfied, he then proceeded to enjoy it! In the 30s, 40s,and 50s it was still safe to leave your house unlocked to slip to the the shops around the corner. Neighbours kept a sharp eye open for any pedestrian traffic in the area so there was always someone who would have spotted a stranger in the vicinity---the resident noseyparkers had their uses! Grandma Lucas had her door ajar and everyone knocked, called out, and entered.Those of us who were family members had our special knock and then would call out, "It's only me!" As Joe said,---"they were simpler times". People did look out for each other to a remarkable extent. It hasn't all been lost, though, as even now you find pockets of neighbourliness existing. The above led me to thinking of some of the things that I miss. Has there ever been anything to equal the flavour of the first Jersey potatoes of the season, decades ago? What has happened to the sweet nutty flavoured apples that we loved to munch? Once upon a time tinned salmon was such a treat, but now I wouldn't give you a thankyou for the flavourless tinned variety in the shops? Where has the flavour gone? Devonshire cream (creme?) toffees were one of my earliest memories, handed to me when I was sitting in my pushchair, by "Uncle" Tom Lucas. Another toffee I miss is Thorntons, in blocks, broken with a hammer whilst you wait. Probably the death knell of many fillings! I remember the old fashioned fragrant roses like the creamy white one that grew up the front wall of Grandad Lucas's house with rampant growth and virility, and furnished him with a daily buttonhole. Dressed in Sunday best suits the attire of his generation wasn't complete without a flower placed in the lapel. I have his filigree buttonhole holder, safely amongst my treasures. Smokeless zoning means that the acrid taste of the industrial smogs is a thing of the past, and already unknown to many listers. But also lost is the friendly warmth and cosiness of a fire. The dancing shadows created by the flickering flames have entranced us all over the decades past---but now, no more. Progress has its price! My fellow listers, from their narratives, confess to proven garden skills. Alas and alack, Muriel, descended from generations of green-fingered forebears, has inherited none of this. It is only safe to allow me to prune the gooseberries! That is enough nostalgia from me, now. Back to the present, in which I still find so much to enjoy. Regards, Muriel.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <nikki247@optonline.net> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] MILLER in Woodford 1861-7 > Hi Heather, > > In the Enstone PR's there is a Henrietta Lee MILLEN daughter of Henry & Emma > domestic servant Woodford on Oct 13, 1861...There are some others also and > they are also transcribed MILLEN.. > > I'll check for all of the rest of the information you want... > > Denise Thank you so much Denise. Wendy has given me the 1861 census entry for them. No wonder I'm having trouble tracking them Many Thanks Heather

Folks, If you want to listen to the recording, I suspect you will only get the previous one until tomorrow's comes on air. Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/ and scroll down to nearly the bottom of the page. In the 'Listen to the latest programmes' column (2nd column from left), in alphabetical order, look for 'What Did your ancestors do for a living' Like I said, this is a series of 5 programmes, on each day this week. You will need Realplayer installed to listen in Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: Rosemary Probert [mailto:banbury@prob.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 08 November 2004 02:32 > To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BAN] Series on What Did Your Ancestors Do For A Living > > > Hi All, > > This sounds like an interesting short series on Radio 4 starting > this afternoon. Does anyone know whether these programmes can he > 'heard' on the internet or cassettes bought of them? > > > In a message of 8 Nov 2004 you wrote: > > | > | Members may be interested in the UK BBC Radio 4 series ~ > | > | What Did Your Ancestors Do For A Living > | > | running all next week (beginning Monday 8 November) at 3.45pm. > | It features interviews with many voices from the > Genealogical Community > | looking at our ancestors' trades and occupations. > | > | Monday - Sheffield and the Midlands - cutlery, pottery button and > | gunmaking (featuring Doreen Hopwood, David Hey, Miranda Goodby, > | Mark Pearsall) > | > | Tuesday - The North - heavy industries , mills , ship > building and mines > | (Featuring David Tonks, David Hey, Harold Spencer, Liz de Mercardo, > | Muriel Bland, Joyce Culling) > | > | Wednesday - London - artisans, domestic service, army relatives and > | crooks (featuring David Hey , Michael Gandy, Else > Churchill, Mark Pearsall, > | Dorothy Hills, George Smith , Frances Brotsall, Joyce Culling) > | > | Thursday - East Anglia - farming and the workhouse > (Frances Collinson, > | Stephen Pope, Richard Dalton, David Hey) > | > | Friday - Wales and the West Country - mining, the docks, > cigarettes and > | chocolate ( featuring Ceri Thompson, Andy King, Robert Blatchford) > | > | > | Else Churchill > | Genealogy Officer > | Society of Genealogists, 14 Charterhouse Buildings, London, EC1M 7BA > | Tel +44 (0)20 7702 5488 Fax +44 (0)20 7250 1800. > | > | Visit the Society's website at > | http://www.sog.org.uk/ > | > > > Have fun, > > Rosemary, > Northumberland UK > ............................................................ > Webmaster for Banburyshire Web Site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/index.htm > Email: banbury@prob.freeserve.co.uk > ............................................................ > > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx > >

> > The 1861 shows in Enstone at RG9/ 912/ 108 > a MILLER family and a MILLIN family, living at Woodford Cottages: > > MILLER Emma, wife, marr, 37, butler's wife, Congleton, CHS (yes, I know you > expected *46* - but the writing's quite clear!) I think I calculated her dates wrong. 37 would fit better with her having another daughter in 1869. Congleton is new, though Odd Rode is not far outside it. > MILLER Louisa, 15, dressmaker's apprentice, Birkenhead, CHS Dressmaker's apprentice is new, but she was a ladies maid in later life. > MILLER Emma P., 13, scholar, Birkenhead, CHS > MILLER Fanny, 6, scholar, Birkenhead, CHS Yes these are definately my lot, thank you so much. I've been hunting for them in Cheshire for years. > > but I can't see a Henry MILLER/MILL(I/E)N in the census index > > > I would love to know her baptism > > The CD OXF-CN03 covers Enstone. It gives in Enstone baptisms: > > 13 Oct 1861 MILLEN, Henrietta Lee, d Henry & Emma, domestic servant, > Woodford That's my girl, and it fits with Henry's record in service. > > and if Henry is buried at Woodford. > > The burials give Henry MILLEN, 50, 22 Sept 1855, Church Enstone Not sure about this one, who would be Henrietta's father? Though I have seen "son of Mrs Peach and her husband who left 3 years ago" in a Register before. Wendy I am most grateful to you for your help. You have undoubtedly found the family and the baptism I wanted. It ties in with Louisa marrying a man from Wootton. Thank you Heather

----- Original Message ----- From: <IRHUCKIN@aol.com> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] MILLER in Woodford 1861-7 > This would not have been Woodford Halse. There is a Woodford in Enstone. Not > a Hamlet, but an area consisting of three cottages on the River Glyme. Anyone > who has the look-ups for Enstone would soon be able to sort that one out I > should think. > I assume there must be other Woodford's in the Chippy area, but cannot bring > any to mind. I will try another group I am a member of. > > Ian Thank you very much for your replies, this is a real help. Heather > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Neil, In the "Radio Times" for this week these programmes are scheduled for 3.45pm beginning today. Each lasts for 15 mins., and the series is the subject of today's "Choice" column and also of Adam Hart-Davis' article. I use the internet also for BBC, but often cannot find details which I feel should be there! Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Grantham" <neil40@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] Series on What Did Your Ancestors Do For A Living > Nothing showing on the Radio 4 website yet. I can't even see reference to > the programme. > > There is an audio archive where you can listen to old programmes. I'm not > sure how long they will keep them. > > To get to the website http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4 > > You 'should' be able to listen live to this too. > > Neil > > Aha - just found it: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/whatson/prog_parse.cgi?FILENAME=20041108/20041 > 108_1545_49700_39906_15 > > On 08/11/2004 02:31:53, eng-banbury-area-l@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> This sounds like an interesting short series on Radio 4 starting >> this afternoon. Does anyone know whether these programmes can he >> 'heard' on the internet or cassettes bought of them? >> >> >> In a message of 8 Nov 2004 you wrote: >> >> | >> | Members may be interested in the UK BBC Radio 4 series ~ >> | >> | What Did Your Ancestors Do For A Living >> | >> | running all next week (beginning Monday 8 November) at 3.45pm. >> | It features interviews with many voices from the Genealogical Community >> >> | looking at our >> ancestors' trades and occupations. >> | >> | Monday - Sheffield and the Midlands - cutlery, pottery button and >> | gunmaking (featuring Doreen Hopwood, David Hey, Miranda Goodby, >> | Mark Pearsall) >> | >> | Tuesday - The North - heavy industries , mills , ship building and >> mines > >> | (Featuring David Tonks, David Hey, Harold Spencer, Liz de Mercardo, >> | Muriel Bland, Joyce Culling) >> | >> | Wednesday - London - artisans, domestic service, army relatives and >> | crooks (featuring David Hey , Michael Gandy, Else Churchill, Mark > Pearsall, >> | Dorothy Hills, George Smith , Frances Brotsall, Joyce Culling) >> | >> | > > > > ============================== > Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Nothing showing on the Radio 4 website yet. I can't even see reference to the programme. There is an audio archive where you can listen to old programmes. I'm not sure how long they will keep them. To get to the website http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4 You 'should' be able to listen live to this too. Neil Aha - just found it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/whatson/prog_parse.cgi?FILENAME=20041108/20041 108_1545_49700_39906_15 On 08/11/2004 02:31:53, eng-banbury-area-l@rootsweb.com wrote: > Hi All, > > This sounds like an interesting short series on Radio 4 starting > this afternoon. Does anyone know whether these programmes can he > 'heard' on the internet or cassettes bought of them? > > > In a message of 8 Nov 2004 you wrote: > > | > | Members may be interested in the UK BBC Radio 4 series ~ > | > | What Did Your Ancestors Do For A Living > | > | running all next week (beginning Monday 8 November) at 3.45pm. > | It features interviews with many voices from the Genealogical Community > > | looking at our > ancestors' trades and occupations. > | > | Monday - Sheffield and the Midlands - cutlery, pottery button and > | gunmaking (featuring Doreen Hopwood, David Hey, Miranda Goodby, > | Mark Pearsall) > | > | Tuesday - The North - heavy industries , mills , ship building and mines > | (Featuring David Tonks, David Hey, Harold Spencer, Liz de Mercardo, > | Muriel Bland, Joyce Culling) > | > | Wednesday - London - artisans, domestic service, army relatives and > | crooks (featuring David Hey , Michael Gandy, Else Churchill, Mark Pearsall, > | Dorothy Hills, George Smith , Frances Brotsall, Joyce Culling) > | > |