It was only recently that Cheney's stopped being a local company. They sold out last year (or 2003) to the corporate world. There must be dozens of people around who worked at the old Cheney's place in Calthorpe St. Pulled down to build a Sainsbury's then they moved out, and it is now several units including TK Maxx and farmfoods. Ian

Hi Banbury Listers Following the resounding response to my tale of M's temporary embarassment and my subsequent discomfiture on the trolleybus, I am moved to burst into print with some more memories! I have written before of the absence of cars on our road prior to the Second World War. This state of affairs meant that as a young child I could look out of the window of our ground floor flat and see across the road. That is a pleasure denied to today's child who would see nothing but a line of parked cars. From my vantage point I would see the various delivery men about their daily business. There were no less than three milkmen each delivering daily to people in our road. First the Co-op, still dispensing milk in the old wide-mouthed bottles with cardboard caps, then the Express Dairy whose bottling plant was next to the railway, a couple of streets away, and finally, about lunchtime, the United Dairies roundsman who always put a nosebag on his horse outside our house and disappeared to have a cup of tea with one of the ladies 'over the road'. Whilst I heard the odd comment along the lines of, "No good will come of it, you mark my words!", this daily habit of the milkman worked to our considerable advantage. There was an unwritten law that any droppings outside your flat were yours. Of course that meant that some half a dozen tenants could lay claim to the horses daily production. Now you must bear in mind that the horse was in the shafts so, unless one wanted one's head kicked in, it was necessary to wait until the milkman re-appeared, stowed away the now empty nosebag and got under way before dashing out with the bucket and shovel. Being young and nippy meant that I did alright in the daily race for the free organic manure. For some reason that is quite beyond me bread deliveries were not made in our road although a baker's handcart could be seen elsewhere in the neighbourhood. There were, however, plenty of others to compensate the young window watcher. 'Our' coalman usually called by appointment. That is to say we ordered the coal either by dropping into the coal office or sending a postcard. Within a day or two the coalman arrived. The advantage of pre-ordering was that you got what you ordered whereas casual purchasers were frequently unlucky. This was not due to any shortage of coal but rather to the pulling capacity of the pair of horses. These horses were of an altogether different calibre to the cob that pulled the milkcart. They stood sixteen or seventeen hands high and they needed to be strong. Coal was delivered in sacks of two sizes, a hundredweight or two hundredweights. The larger tall sacks were always stacked up at the front of the cart and down the centre with the smaller sacks around the outside. Those horses must have had a load of several tons when they set out from their depot. It is no surprise that the coal delivery is one of the earliest I remember changing to lorries. In contrast we had smaller horses and carts as regular visitors. There was the rag'n bone man with his never to be forgotten cry of "I'll buy any ol' rags, old iron and lumber". Not for us the call to the local council to enquire the charge for removing unwanted furniture or appliances! We sold it to the rag'n bone man for a few coppers. On Sundays we had three regular callers. The winkle man who would have spent from twelve o'clock until two stationed outside one of the local pubs and then drove around the estate selling shellfish by the pint or half-pint for Sunday tea. He sold winkles, cockles, prawns, shrimps, mussels and whelks all measured with a metal tankard and dispensed in a brown paper bag. Then a little later came the muffin man selling muffins and crumpets and finally the sweet man who sold all manner of boiled sweets. Mint humbugs, aniseed balls and a whole variety of different sweets with a distinctly medicinal, cough sweety sort of flavour. The horses that pulled these carts seemed to be, invariably, of docile nature if fairly disinterested in any attempt to make a fuss of them. More often than not they appeared to make up their own mind when it was time to move on a few yards and their masters could usually be seen following behind the cart rather than sitting upon it. Can you imagine that happening now? Len

On the excellent site of http://home.clara.net/drericwebb/oaw-web/oaw-mems.htm, there is a newspaper clipping photo of Theodore Lamb. The page takes ages to load, but do a search for Lamb and you should find it. I haven't had time to read this whole site, but it appears to be the life story and family history (autobiography) of the Cadd Family of Wroxton, Oxon. Brenda. Jill Bureau wrote: >Hi Dorothy, > I do hope that your sister has found a picture of Theodore because after another fruitless search I give up! My house now looks as if a bomb hit it! Jill (in New Hampshire U.S.A.) > >Dorothy Gibbs <dorothy.gibbs@pandorasbox2.demon.co.uk> wrote: >In message <20050125123634.72369.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, >Jill Bureau writes > > >>I have just spent the good part of two hours going through old pictures >>to no avail. My mother had a picture of Theodore Lamb, and I used to >>have it ! Apparently he had a love affair that went sour and he >>retreated from life. He was a very intelligent man though. He was not a >>relative of ours but fasinating to the local children. >> >> >> >Hi Jill, >Yes that is the story we have too. We definitely had a picture as well. >My sister is looking for it as we speak! >Rosemary has asked me to add this tale to the Banburyshire website and I >will .. it would be nice to have the picture as well. > >Dorothy > > -- Brenda Anderson ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ www.curiouskiwi.com

Hi Angela This made fascinating reading - thank you. I must show my father in law. He was always intrigued by him and as a child he says he often remembers seeing Theodore on Fish Hill, Broadway dressed in his sacks. Karen Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Allen" <angela.allen72@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: [BAN] Theodore Lamb 1880 - 1950 > Hi All, > Theodore Lamb, along with 'Old Mettle' - (William Castle) & > 'The Banbury Pedestrian' (Thomas Colley) is remembered locally > as being a colourful eccentric character --- although by most > accounts none of them were idiots! > > Theodore Lamb, opted for his way of life after being jilted at the > alter, so the story goes - Known in town as the 'Banbury Caveman'. > He lived in a battered old hen-house off the Brailes road - although > he did move 'premises' at times to other farm buildings around the > outskirts of local villages. > > He wore tattered sacks, plastered his long hair with mud, & rubbed > lard into his skin to hold back the ever present cold. > He was often seen riding into/around town on his bicycle -- without > any tyres, pulling a trolley of pots & pans behind him > Theodore would busk in the Market Place, playing the melodeon & > tin whistle. > > He also made money from visitors to the town. Stories would go back > each year to outlying villages, from folks that had attended the market > or fair in town - tales & descriptions of a man many would not believe, > unless seen with their own eyes - He became a 'tourist attraction'. > > Theodore used this to his advantage :>) > He would speak to you for one shilling & pose for a picture for half- > crown! > He also earnt money repairing watches & clocks. > It's said men going away to war in 1914 left their watches with him for safe > keeping. > > Eventually the police banned Theodore from the town centre because of > his state of dress. > He died of pneumonia in 1950 at the age of 70, still living in his hen house. > > Theodore was the son of Joseph & Mary LAMB of Sibford. > > Angela:>) > co admin Banbury > > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.12 - Release Date: 14/01/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.12 - Release Date: 14/01/2005

Nope...they tried, but missed! They took my camera off of me, then told me to walk around the table for a family pic....but clever girl clicked the shutter before I had gotten all the way around! Clever, eh? Hehehe Carole -----Original Message----- From: Angela Allen [mailto:angela.allen72@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 10:21 a.m. To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAN] Xmas mug shots from list Hi all, Just a quick note - we are now into the 3rd week of 2005. So didn't ANY of you take family pics over Xmas ?? Nobody got caught on film with a silly paper hat, dishing up the dinner, having one more drink, Hic! - playing on the floor with jnr's new toy - or just sleeping it all off on the sofa!? Of course you DID ;>)) C'mon then, excuses as to why we have not received any of them pics for the Web Site - Hmmmmmmmm! *>) Angela co admin Banbury ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi David, Do you happen to know whereabouts her Allens are located? I have interests in Allens, and I know there are a Webb or two in the tree too. Ta. Carole -----Original Message----- From: David Judd [mailto:david.judd3@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 6:32 a.m. To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAN] Roll call - AUSTIN/BARNES I have this afternoon spoken with a cousin of mine who is researching her family of Webb, Barnes, Moss and Allen, she does not have a PC, but would be quite happy to share her info with you. Her address is 23 Wolverton Road, Wolverton, Haversham, Milton Keynes, Bucks, her name is Susan Webb. She has her Barnes family back to the 1740s and is more than happy to correspond. David Judd

Hi Brenda, Thank you for sharing this. Have just taken a quick look at this site - (loaded straight off) I'm going to save reading through it properly until tomorrow - from what I've already seen - it deserves the full attention of the reader & nothing less. Folks, it really is one to check out. Angela:>) co admin Banbury > On the excellent site of > http://home.clara.net/drericwebb/oaw-web/oaw-mems.htm, there is a > newspaper clipping photo of Theodore Lamb. The page takes ages to load, > but do a search for Lamb and you should find it. I haven't had time to > read this whole site, but it appears to be the life story and family > history (autobiography) of the Cadd Family of Wroxton, Oxon. > > Brenda.

In message <41F6C24A.6020906@orcon.net.nz>, Brenda Anderson <curiouskiwi@orcon.net.nz> writes >On the excellent site of >http://home.clara.net/drericwebb/oaw-web/oaw-mems.htm, there is a >newspaper clipping photo of Theodore Lamb. Hi Brenda, That's it... that is just how I remember him. My sister hasn't got back to me yet about the picture she says we had... it will take a few days I expect. Thanks for telling us about this page. My Dad wrote a kind of synopsis of his life... I am expecting to get that in the post tomorrow. It will be interesting to see what he said. Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs (in Hertfordshire UK)

Please excuse the previous email Julie Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Julie Fitzgerald [mailto:julifitz@ozemail.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2005 10:25 PM To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BAN] RE: Jarvis - Shayler Hi Rosemary I got behind in my email and missed yours until now, my apologies. Thank you for this, this couple are direct ancestors of mine. Thanks again Julie

Hi Rosemary I got behind in my email and missed yours until now, my apologies. Thank you for this, this couple are direct ancestors of mine. Thanks again Julie -----Original Message----- From: rosemary probert [mailto:rosemary@prob.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2001 3:59 AM To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Jarvis - Shayler Hi Julie, This is from the Oxfordshire Marriage Index: 1793 Oct 30 Robert JARVIS = Lydia PAGE at Banbury Rosemary, Northumberland UK >>Would it be imposing too much to ask if you can see a marriage between Robert senior and Lydia, for her maiden name? Their first child was christened 1794. Rosemary, Northumberland UK Rosemary's Family History - or at least a little bit of it! http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/index.htm ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Hi All, Theodore Lamb, along with 'Old Mettle' - (William Castle) & 'The Banbury Pedestrian' (Thomas Colley) is remembered locally as being a colourful eccentric character --- although by most accounts none of them were idiots! Theodore Lamb, opted for his way of life after being jilted at the alter, so the story goes - Known in town as the 'Banbury Caveman'. He lived in a battered old hen-house off the Brailes road - although he did move 'premises' at times to other farm buildings around the outskirts of local villages. He wore tattered sacks, plastered his long hair with mud, & rubbed lard into his skin to hold back the ever present cold. He was often seen riding into/around town on his bicycle -- without any tyres, pulling a trolley of pots & pans behind him Theodore would busk in the Market Place, playing the melodeon & tin whistle. He also made money from visitors to the town. Stories would go back each year to outlying villages, from folks that had attended the market or fair in town - tales & descriptions of a man many would not believe, unless seen with their own eyes - He became a 'tourist attraction'. Theodore used this to his advantage :>) He would speak to you for one shilling & pose for a picture for half- crown! He also earnt money repairing watches & clocks. It's said men going away to war in 1914 left their watches with him for safe keeping. Eventually the police banned Theodore from the town centre because of his state of dress. He died of pneumonia in 1950 at the age of 70, still living in his hen house. Theodore was the son of Joseph & Mary LAMB of Sibford. Angela:>) co admin Banbury

Off hand do not, I am sorry, best drop her a line. David Judd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole "No Name"" <caz@clear.net.nz> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [BAN] Roll call - AUSTIN/BARNES > Hi David, > > Do you happen to know whereabouts her Allens are located? I have interests > in Allens, and I know there are a Webb or two in the tree too. > > Ta. > Carole > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Judd [mailto:david.judd3@btinternet.com] > Sent: Monday, 24 January 2005 6:32 a.m. > To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BAN] Roll call - AUSTIN/BARNES > > I have this afternoon spoken with a cousin of mine who is researching her > family of Webb, Barnes, Moss and Allen, she does not have a PC, but would be > quite happy to share her info with you. Her address is 23 Wolverton Road, > Wolverton, Haversham, Milton Keynes, Bucks, her name is Susan Webb. She has > her Barnes family back to the 1740s and is more than happy to correspond. > David Judd > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Just posting to list too, in case anyone else is interested. Barb S Hi Richard, This looks like the marriage of Thomas & Ann in Gt Tew. 1776 Dec 25 xLAMB Thomas xSMITH Ann by licence Witness . Joseph Churchill, John Shelson?

Poster not subscribed - please reply off list! <Malcolm if you wish to post questions to the Banbury Area List you need subscribe by writing to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L-request@rootsweb.com Type subscribe in message body only Helen Co List Admin. -----Original Message----- From: MALCOLM STANAWAY [mailto:ms004a9035@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2005 1:13 p.m. To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Help please with address Hi I am trying to trace George Astbury of Cropredy Banbury can anyone help please Wendy

I don't know whether it answers Hubert's question but, according to the Royal Mail website, there are no odd numbered addresses beyond 27 West Bar Street. From the map of the area it would appear that OX16 9SA (which includes 27 West Bar Street) was just to the east of the Bear Garden Road junction with West Bar Street so if anyone knows the area they may be able to suggest where Elgin House went. The website is on <http://www.royalmail.co.uk/> www.royalmail.co.uk ,just click on Postcode/Address Finder (you will have to register). Hope that's of some help even if it's not the answer Hubert was hoping for! Geoff Parrish

Hi Hubert, If I still lived in Banbury I would look for you - not possible to do that from Somerset Do you know towards which end of West Bar St No. 29 was, the town or Bear Garden - We have other means of trying to find out for you !! (hopefully:>) Angela co admin Banbury ----- Original Message ----- From: "hff" <flt1469@bellsouth.net> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: [BAN] LOCATOR > would the house at 29 West Bar Street, i think it was once called the > Elgin House. be still there? > flt1469@bellsouth.net

Hi Dorothy, I do hope that your sister has found a picture of Theodore because after another fruitless search I give up! My house now looks as if a bomb hit it! Jill (in New Hampshire U.S.A.) Dorothy Gibbs <dorothy.gibbs@pandorasbox2.demon.co.uk> wrote: In message <20050125123634.72369.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Jill Bureau writes >I have just spent the good part of two hours going through old pictures >to no avail. My mother had a picture of Theodore Lamb, and I used to >have it ! Apparently he had a love affair that went sour and he >retreated from life. He was a very intelligent man though. He was not a >relative of ours but fasinating to the local children. > Hi Jill, Yes that is the story we have too. We definitely had a picture as well. My sister is looking for it as we speak! Rosemary has asked me to add this tale to the Banburyshire website and I will .. it would be nice to have the picture as well. Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs (in Hertfordshire UK) ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

In message <20050125123634.72369.qmail@web30810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Jill Bureau <banburianforever@yahoo.com> writes >I have just spent the good part of two hours going through old pictures >to no avail. My mother had a picture of Theodore Lamb, and I used to >have it ! Apparently he had a love affair that went sour and he >retreated from life. He was a very intelligent man though. He was not a >relative of ours but fasinating to the local children. > Hi Jill, Yes that is the story we have too. We definitely had a picture as well. My sister is looking for it as we speak! Rosemary has asked me to add this tale to the Banburyshire website and I will .. it would be nice to have the picture as well. Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs (in Hertfordshire UK)

Hello, Does anyone have any stories or information about what Calthorpe Street, Banbury was like - And if possible, Cheney and Sons (Printers) from around 1900 onwards. Many thanks, Hannah --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

In message <05bd01c502d0$3f123c60$6124fc3e@sbnl.com>, Jonathan & Karen Hunt <hunt.household@virgin.net> writes >I was also told that he came from Sibford. Hi Karen, I suppose it's possible that that is where his main base was and he used to travel around from there. Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs (in Hertfordshire UK)