HI Jo I think that we are still on the right lines as first of all, most of our family showed a distinct lack of imagination, and used George as a child's name, sometimes twice in one generation,right up to my dad's time. Secondly my grandfather told me of boyhood memories of travelling by boat down to Evesham, with his grandfather in order to deliver a load of coal. They came back with a hold full of apples, but as they were so near Bidford by then, I am sure he could have dropped in on his uncle Thomas too. I have no other details of Thomas other than to say that the family left Banbury and became occasional Brummies around 1845, my line is through his brother, surprise, surprise... George! Best wishes Roy

Hello Dennis - > Some time ago I hit a brick wall about 1776 with my research of my > CAKEBREAD ancestors due to the paucity of baptism records of the > name in Bloxham where the family lived for several generations. > > By studying lists of Burials and Marriages there are at least 20 male > CAKEBREADs whose baptisms do not appear in Bloxham Parish > records, nor those of the non-conformist churches nearby. The "empty" > period is prior to 1790 when baptisms began appearing at Bloxham and > Milton Presbyterian Chapel. > > Does anyone have any suggestions regarding this ? The marriages > and burials were still taking place in the Parish Church but where were > the baptisms or did they just not bother ? Intriguing! I'm the OFHS Oxfordshire baptism index coordinator - if you let me have details of the "missing" ones I'll see if they're on the database. It's not yet complete, however. > I have not yet checked Poor law returns. Are any available for > Bloxham? The Oxfordshire Record Office is the place to ask! www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/oro Wendy

Hello May I thank those of you who responded to my request for assistance re my CAKEBREAD research in Banbury and Bloxham. The other names which I am interested in locally are HUNT and CLAYDON (Bourton, Cropredy etc); WALKER (Steeple Aston). Dennis

Could someone tell me whether we're able to search for living relatives on this list, please? Kind regards, Norma [in Mosgiel, New Zealand]

Many thanks to those who so kindly checked census and parish transcriptions for James GASCOIGNE and Sarah Jane UPTON for me. With the information provided I can add another generation to my niece's families!! Kind regards, Norma [in Mosgiel, New Zealand]

Roy...thanks so much for this...wonderful! I have to dash to work but will be back to absorb it all and check everything later!! The only thing I've just looked at is my record of Thomas is that he married Ann Mucklow 10/11/1853 in Bidford on Avon, Warwickshire...does this still tie in? Their son was William George Stanton who married Emma Ann Walesby. Jo www.genogold.com -----Original Message----- From: Roy [mailto:roy@eggworks.demon.co.uk] Sent: 11 February 2005 07:36 To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BAN] RE: surnames STANTON / ELSTON / WHALESBY / WALESBY/ MUNDY Hi Jo I think I may be able to help with your Thomas Stanton. I have him amongst our family which subsequently became Canal folk and moved to Birmingham and further North. As you say his parents were George (1811-1882), a boatman,and Mary Ann (Dicken.)George seem to be from Adderbury where his parents, George(also eventually a boatman) and Hannah were married in 1809. I have her maiden name as Hannah Pain Coleman though where that originates I'm not sure. For me the pain is that I cannot locate george's birth! although a lot of Stantons are around in Adderbury before that, so I guess there is just a gap here and since I understand that there was a Smallpox epidemic in Adderbury in 1764 it may not be surprising that a few records are missing. Best of luck Roy ==== ENG-BANBURY-AREA Mailing List ==== Oxfordshire Genuki Page http://users.ox.ac.uk/~malcolm/genuki/big/eng/OXF/ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net

I thought I had better resend this, as it didnt show up on list. My apologies if it comes through twice. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Watson" <bwatson27@comcast.net> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] RE: surnames STANTON / ELSTON / WHALESBY / WALESBY/ MUNDY > Hi Jo, > > OFHS Banbury PR's; > bapt. > 14 Dec 1831 STANTON Thomas s George & Mary Anne, Mill Lane, labr. > marr. > 7 Feb 1831 STANTON George bach & > DICKENS Mary Ann sp botp. > wit: Geo. BEERE William GARDNER > > OFHS 1851 Census Lower Middleton Cheney HO 107/1734 folio 280 # 117 > WALESBY Jeremiah HD m 32 Cordwainer NTH Middleton Cheney > " Ann WI m 29 " Thenford > " Elizabeth DA 2 " Middleton > Cheney > " Emma Ann DA 1 " " " > > OFHS 1861 Census Middleton Cheney RG9/919 folio 60 > John SMITH Head Mar 69 Woolstapler NTH Middleton Cheney > Sophia " Wife Mar 55 WARK Bedworth > Elizabeth WALESBY Boarder 12 Scholar NTH Middleton Cheney > Emma " " 11 " " " > " > Harriet " " 9 " " > " " > Anne " " 6 " " > " " > > Middleton Cheney PR's (Northamptonshire Record Office) > 27 May 1849 WALESBY Elizabeth d Jeremiah & Ann shoemaker, L. Middleton > 19 May 1850 " Emma Ann d " " " " > 8 Sep 1851 " Harriet Sarah d " " > cordwainer " > 24 Oct 1852 " Catherine d " " > " " > died- buried 23 Feb 1854 > 29 May 1854 " Ellen Anne d " " " > " > died- buried 10 May 1862 > > 4 Jun 1816 WALESBY Anne d William & Susanna shoemaker L. Middleton > 4 Jun 1816 " Jeremiah s " " > " " > 19 Jul 1817 " James s " " > " " > 25 Oct 1818 " William s " " cordwainer > " > 29 May 1823 " Elizabeth d " " " > " > 24 Aug 1829 " Ann d " " > " " > > HTH, > > Bill Watson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo" <jo@stumpypost.co.uk> > To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:50 PM > Subject: [BAN] RE: surnames STANTON / ELSTON / WHALESBY / WALESBY/ MUNDY > > >> I'm a new subscriber to the Banbury list (but a 2-3yr veteran of other >> lists >> and I run a free genealogy search site) >> I'm currently researching a new line of my family tree - trying to trace >> details of the following from the Banbury area. >> I specifically need assistance at the moment on: >> >> >> 1) Thomas Stanton baptised Dec 1831 Banbury..possibly to a George and >> Mary? >> Any detail appreciated >> >> 2) John Edward Elston: 1871 census a retired farmer aged 44 at Broughton >> Road, Nuthrop(?), Banbury together with his niece Emma Ann >> Whalesby/Walesby >> (and another niece Harriet Mundy). He and his niece Emma were born in >> Northants. Any information on them prior/post 1871 appreciated. >> >> Anyone with parish records helping me with more information on these >> would >> be much appreciated! >> >> Anything I can do in return will be done! >> >> Thank you >> >> Jo >> www.genogold.com >

Hi Jo I think I may be able to help with your Thomas Stanton. I have him amongst our family which subsequently became Canal folk and moved to Birmingham and further North. As you say his parents were George (1811-1882), a boatman,and Mary Ann (Dicken.)George seem to be from Adderbury where his parents, George(also eventually a boatman) and Hannah were married in 1809. I have her maiden name as Hannah Pain Coleman though where that originates I'm not sure. For me the pain is that I cannot locate george's birth! although a lot of Stantons are around in Adderbury before that, so I guess there is just a gap here and since I understand that there was a Smallpox epidemic in Adderbury in 1764 it may not be surprising that a few records are missing. Best of luck Roy

Hi Dennis, You must already have the info I sent earlier then re Robert & Elizabeth - marriage & baps If not at St Mary's or the Presbyterian Chapel - there was also a Methodist Chapel & a large Baptist following in the village - think the Baptists still hold all their original records. For those (& other records) you would need to contact Graham Butler in Bloxham. Think he lives somewhere near the museum, they were a big farming family in the village. The only burial ground in Bloxham I know of is St Mary's -- whichever religion folks followed, even the Revd. Joseph Jevans from Milton Presbyterian is buried there. Angela co admin Banbury > Some time ago I hit a brick wall about 1776 with my research of my > CAKEBREAD ancestors due to the paucity of baptism records of the > name in Bloxham where the family lived for several generations. > > By studying lists of Burials and Marriages there are at least 20 male > CAKEBREADs whose baptisms do not appear in Bloxham Parish > records, nor those of the non-conformist churches nearby. The "empty" > period is prior to 1790 when baptisms began appearing at Bloxham and > Milton Presbyterian Chapel. > > Does anyone have any suggestions regarding this ? The marriages > and burials were still taking place in the Parish Church but where were > the baptisms or did they just not bother ?

In message <4207D79B.20107@virgin.net>, Joe Connell <jfc.public@virgin.net> writes >Oh to walk those steps again... > Wonderful Joe.... remember those areas too. Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs (in Hertfordshire UK)

I'm a new subscriber to the Banbury list (but a 2-3yr veteran of other lists and I run a free genealogy search site) I'm currently researching a new line of my family tree - trying to trace details of the following from the Banbury area. I specifically need assistance at the moment on: 1) Thomas Stanton baptised Dec 1831 Banbury..possibly to a George and Mary? Any detail appreciated 2) John Edward Elston: 1871 census a retired farmer aged 44 at Broughton Road, Nuthrop(?), Banbury together with his niece Emma Ann Whalesby/Walesby (and another niece Harriet Mundy). He and his niece Emma were born in Northants. Any information on them prior/post 1871 appreciated. Anyone with parish records helping me with more information on these would be much appreciated! Anything I can do in return will be done! Thank you Jo www.genogold.com

Hi Dennis, Welcome back :>) The marriage entry reads ......... 12/10/1775 Robert CAKEBREAD, bach, otp & Elizabeth Nelder, spin, otp, banns Wit;- John Randle & William Neal (Note-- signs Robert McClelton Cakebread) -- all as written. Although quite a few CAKEBREAD's in the regs for St Mary's Bloxham, Robert & Elizabeth baptise 2 of theirs at the Bloxham & Milton Presbyterian Chapel ........ 24/2/1805 John s of Robert junr. & Elizabeth , of Bloxham 16/11/1810 William s of - as above Nelder's were also around South Newington/Swerford Regards the ridiculous 'lunchtime closing' (12 - 2pm) at Banbury Study Centre (COBS) - this is because they work with the bare minimum of staff & the local council will not provide the funds to employ someone part time to cover breaks/holidays - (although they will waste another few thousand £ on traffic lights, never to be used! Grrrrr!) Anyway, if you mention to the COBS staff you have travelled from a distance outside of Banbury for a days researching, 'most' of them will let you stay through the lunchbreak to continue with what you are doing --- just you won't be able to access the locked/secure bookshelves (make sure you have out what you need by 11.45 ;>) Angela:>) co admin Banbury > Having recently returned to the fray again with regards to my > CAKEBREAD ancestors I visited Banbury Library recently to sort out a > few queries. > > Unfortunately I was caught out by the lunchtime closing in the Local > Studies section and although I returned in the afternoon my > concentration was broken. > > If anyone is visiting the library in the foreseeable future I wonder if I can > ask for a simple look-up in the Bloxham Marriages (red books). > > I forget to check on the marriage dated 12 Oct 1775 between Robert > Cakebread and Elizabeth Nelder at Bloxham (of course). All I need to > know is "are any witnesses listed?" > > > Dennis

Hello Some time ago I hit a brick wall about 1776 with my research of my CAKEBREAD ancestors due to the paucity of baptism records of the name in Bloxham where the family lived for several generations. By studying lists of Burials and Marriages there are at least 20 male CAKEBREADs whose baptisms do not appear in Bloxham Parish records, nor those of the non-conformist churches nearby. The "empty" period is prior to 1790 when baptisms began appearing at Bloxham and Milton Presbyterian Chapel. Does anyone have any suggestions regarding this ? The marriages and burials were still taking place in the Parish Church but where were the baptisms or did they just not bother ? I have not yet checked Poor law returns. Are any available for Bloxham? Any comments would be welcome.Dennis

Hello Having recently returned to the fray again with regards to my CAKEBREAD ancestors I visited Banbury Library recently to sort out a few queries. Unfortunately I was caught out by the lunchtime closing in the Local Studies section and although I returned in the afternoon my concentration was broken. If anyone is visiting the library in the foreseeable future I wonder if I can ask for a simple look-up in the Bloxham Marriages (red books). I forget to check on the marriage dated 12 Oct 1775 between Robert Cakebread and Elizabeth Nelder at Bloxham (of course). All I need to know is "are any witnesses listed?" Dennis

Anyone who has had bother in interpreting old documents may be interested in an online transcription at: _http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/_ (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/) Take care Linda & Tony

Would anyone with Banbury area transcripts do a lookup for me, please? James GASCOIGNE and Sarah Jane UPTON marr St Mary's, Banbury, 29 Nov 1881. Sarah was of Neithrop, aged 24, father George UPTON, a labourer. The 1881 census of Bourton showed Sarah J UPTON, domestic nurse, 24 yrs, born Bourton, living with mother Susan UPTON, widow, 49 years, dependant on the parish, b Houghton. - when was Sarah Jane b or baptised? - has she any siblings? - when were George UPTON and Susan ?? married? - when was Susan ?? b or baptised? Sarah Jane's grandchildren also talk about "Gramp ADKINS", so who was he, or how does he fit in?? Thanks in advance, Norma [in Mosgiel, New Zealand]

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Hi Norma,, here are some details that you might find useful. Marriage at St Mary's Banbury: 29 Nov 1881 by banns James Gascoigne 24 yrs bach general dealer of Neithrop son of John, brewer and Sarah Jane Upton 24 years spinister of Neithrop daughter of George, labourer. Witnesses were William Pole and Eleanor Upton. The 1871 English Census for Village of Great Bourton Ref: 1463/86 pg 7 Entry # 41 George Upton Head Married 49 years Ag lab B: Gt Bourton Susan Upton Wife M 42 years b: Houghton James Upton son unm 16 years Ag Lab b: Gt Bourton Ellen Upton Daug 11 years b: Gt Bourton Alban Upton son 8 years farmers boy b: Gt Bourton Edna Upton daug 6 years scholar b: Gt Bourton Enos Upton son 3 yrs b: Gt Bourton Rosa A Upton dau 1 year b: Gt Bourton. next door was another George Upton Head 55years ag lab b: Bourton and wife Ann 40 years b: Abingdon, Berks. children Sarah Ann 11 years, John J 8 years, Eliza 4 and Emma 1 year all born Gt Bourton. I did notice several Adkins families in Gt Bourton. The following baptism recorded at Gret Bourton (baptism start from 1863) Children of George Upton, labourer and Susan of Great Bourton Edna 20 Nov 1864 Enos 14 Aug 1867 Roseanna 20 July 1870 Alice Lucy 24 Jan 1873 Leonard 18 July 1875. The following burial was recorded at Gt Bourton: George Upton 27 March 1876 aged 50 years. The following burial was recorded at St Mary's Banbury: Susan Upyon 18 Dec 1911 aged 80 years of 35 Plough Yard. Marriage recorded at Cropedy 20 July 1856 George Upton FA bach lab of Gt Bourton son of John, lab and Susanna Tyrrell, 26 spin of Gt Bourton daughter of James, lab. Witnesses were James Freeman and Charlotte Baker (who were married on the same day) There was also this marriage: 26 Feb 1870 at Cropedy George Upton, minor bach lab of Gt Bourton son of George, lab and Jane Elizabeth Bennett FA spinister of Gt Bourton daughter of William, lab. witnesses were Thomas Watts and Sarah Jane Watts The following baptisms at Cropedy: Children of John (labourer) & Elizabeth Upton of Bourton Mag 11 JUne 1826 Jane Upton 23 July 1826 (sic) George Upton 23 July 1826 (sic) Rosanna Upton. no mention of any Tyrrell baptisms. Hope this helps at this stage regards Mark G (Aust) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma Bethune" <motherbear@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: [BAN] transcription lookup, please > Would anyone with Banbury area transcripts do a lookup for me, please? > > James GASCOIGNE and Sarah Jane UPTON marr St Mary's, Banbury, 29 Nov > 1881. Sarah was of Neithrop, aged 24, father George UPTON, a > labourer. The 1881 census of Bourton showed Sarah J UPTON, domestic > nurse, 24 yrs, born Bourton, living with mother Susan UPTON, widow, > 49 years, dependant on the parish, b Houghton. > > - when was Sarah Jane b or baptised? > - has she any siblings? > - when were George UPTON and Susan ?? married? > - when was Susan ?? b or baptised? > > Sarah Jane's grandchildren also talk about "Gramp ADKINS", so who was > he, or how does he fit in?? > > Thanks in advance, > Norma [in Mosgiel, New Zealand] > > > ==== ENG-BANBURY-AREA Mailing List ==== > Search IGI by Batch Number > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#PageTitle > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi Heather One possible reason for the high number of hits on "mayor + Banbury + Brayne" is that according to "Banbury - A History", a THOMAS Brayne was forced off the corporation when mayor in or just before 1832. A relation of some sort to your Robert perhaps. Regards Peter Cook Rossmoyne WA On 9/2/05 6:20 PM, "Geoff Parrish" <geoff@parrish90.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > I don't know whether this will help Heather in her search for the Mayor > of Banbury's records but a search at Access to Archives > http://www.a2a.org.uk/ on mayor + Banbury + Brayne produced 21 > catalogues with over 2500 hits! > > The main catalogue (with 1374 hits) was at the Oxfordshire Record Office > and was described as Banbury Borough Council archives. > > Best of luck searching. > > Geoff Parrish > >On 9/2/05 8:47 AM, "Heather Olsen" <hlolsen@poetworld.net> wrote: > >> In 1820 Banbury mayor Robert Brayne wrote a letter to the authorities in >> London in response to an inquiry he had received about the character of one >> of the town's inhabitants. I have seen this letter in the PRO. I am >> wondering if the letter of inquiry sent to the mayor would be likely to >> survive in some archive of the mayors' correspondence--- does anyone have >> any experience with this sort of thing? >> >> Thanks, >> Heather Olsen

Hi Heather, I stand to be corrected on this, but I'm sure the BRAYNE family get quite a mention in Alfred Beesley's 'A History of Banbury' - a rare book to find these days - but ACDB have reproduced it onto CD. The Centre for Oxfordshire Studies were selling them at one point (A chap from Washington found one in a 2nd hand bookstore in BC not long ago, complete with a hand written letter still inside the front jacket, dated 1870 & from I.T. Brayne!) Robert Brayne is mentioned as a 'surgeon' also. Angela:>) co list admin Subject: [BAN] Records of Banbury mayors > In 1820 Banbury mayor Robert Brayne wrote a letter to the authorities in London in response to an inquiry he had received about the character of one of the town's inhhabitants. I have seen this letter in the PRO. I am wondering if the letter of inquiry sent to the mayor would be likely to survive in some archive of the mayors' corespondence--- does anyone have any experience with this sort of thing? > > Thanks, > Heather Olsen