yes please, Karen Many thanks Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Hunt Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] Burial place > Hi Frances > Elinor Blake was buried at Swalcliffe in 1813 and Edward Gregory in > Hornton > in 1864. I can provide the burial entry from the parish registers if > required although this does not include the plot details. > Kind regards > Karen Hunt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frances Gregory" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:51 PM > Subject: [BAN] Burial place > > >> Hi All >> I hope to make a visit soon to the area of Swalcliffe to see if I can >> find >> the burial place of Elinor Blake buried at Swalcliffe, possibly Horley >> in >> 1813 and also her son Edward Gregory who died in Hornton 1864 . >> Is there any way that I can find out, prior to the visit, exactly where >> they are buried? as I am presuming that there must be loads of cemetaries >> within the area. >> Do I need to find burial records? and will they give me the exact plot? >> Frances >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ >> British History Online >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: >> 21/07/2007 15:52 >> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Frances Elinor Blake was buried at Swalcliffe in 1813 and Edward Gregory in Hornton in 1864. I can provide the burial entry from the parish registers if required although this does not include the plot details. Kind regards Karen Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Gregory" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: [BAN] Burial place > Hi All > I hope to make a visit soon to the area of Swalcliffe to see if I can find > the burial place of Elinor Blake buried at Swalcliffe, possibly Horley in > 1813 and also her son Edward Gregory who died in Hornton 1864 . > Is there any way that I can find out, prior to the visit, exactly where > they are buried? as I am presuming that there must be loads of cemetaries > within the area. > Do I need to find burial records? and will they give me the exact plot? > Frances > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: > 21/07/2007 15:52 > >

Hi All I hope to make a visit soon to the area of Swalcliffe to see if I can find the burial place of Elinor Blake buried at Swalcliffe, possibly Horley in 1813 and also her son Edward Gregory who died in Hornton 1864 . Is there any way that I can find out, prior to the visit, exactly where they are buried? as I am presuming that there must be loads of cemetaries within the area. Do I need to find burial records? and will they give me the exact plot? Frances

Hi Barb, Yes, they are both on my family tree (I think). Edward Shirley was baptised in Barford St Michael 28/7/1773. One of Edward's brothers was Thomas Shirley from whom I am descended. Hannah is more difficult, since there are three candidates. 1. Edward had a sister named Hannah who married a Tom Butler in 1808, so she is unlikely to have been known as Hannah Shirley in 1818. 2. Edward's brother William had a daughter Hannah baptised in Barford St Michael 25/5/1794. My records say that she married Charles Woodford in Barford St Michael in 1816 and emigrated to Wisconsin USA. Once again it is unlikely that she would have called herself Hannah Shirley in 1818 even if she was still living in the area. 3. Edward had a daughter Hannah baptised 13/2/1800. The only question here would be that she was 18 in 1818, and I have no idea whether it was OK for someone of that age to be a witness. Perhaps someone else on the list can enlighten us. My best guess is that the witnesses are Edward Shirley and his daughter Hannah. Cheers Tim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Tucker Sent: Sunday, 22 July 2007 12:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family Tim---- I have a Edward Shirley and Hannah Shirley who witnessed for the marriage of my gggrandfather Ezra Coy in Cropredy when he married Elizabeth Elkington 5/4/1818. Can you fit them in? They don't seem to come from the Coy side. Any help would be appreciated. Barb Subject: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > > > Hello all, > > I am a descendent of a branch of the SHIRLEY family who lived in the > villages of Barford St Michael and Barford St John, near Hempton in > Oxfordshire. > > I have a family tree that shows my family from mid-18thC to late 19th; > and I know my direct ancestry in the 20thC. > > What is missing is the other branches of the family from the late 19thC. > I know that some continued to live in that area. > > The family of interest is that of Richard SHIRLEY and Ann VINCENT. They > had the following children: > > Martha Mary (1865) - married Martin Randell in 1894 in Hempton > William Vincent (1867) > Thomas James (1868) > Mary (1871) - married Frank Mawle in 1902 at Hempton > Vincent Edward (1877) > James Ernest (1880). > > Ann Vincent must have died between 1880 and 1889 because Richard SHIRLEY > remarried in 1889 - though he had no further children. I have no record > of Ann's death. > > I am the great-grandson of William Vincent SHIRLEY, who moved to London > at some stage in the late 19thC and married there. I was aware from my > father of relatives in Oxfordshire, but have no other information. My > father was not family oriented and did not keep contact with them. > > My grandfather Edward SHIRLEY lived in London all his life - however he > had an older sister Mabel who is known to have married a Will Hall in > 1921 at Hempton. > > I would be interested in any information about the siblings of William > Vincent, in order to track the family further in the 20thC if this is > possible. I am sure that at least some would have remained in the area. > As I live in Australia, direct research is difficult. > > The name Vincent remains a family tradition. My father was Leslie > Vincent SHIRLEY, and my grandson is Elliott Vincent SHIRLEY. > > Cheers > > Tim > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My sentiments exactly Angela! It can stay away for three days from 9th August - PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was in the enviable situation of being able to watch, and record, how the flooding developed. And BOY, did it pee down! Spiceball came off worst, being between the river and the canal. I watched the car park become an outdoor swimming pool, and the water rise to reach the concertina doors at the rear. Then, sadly, at around 3am, that camera drowned! Luckily we were able to bury it at sea! Southam Rd was flooded too, and the water level eventually breached the banks and flooded the railway track. As my Dad would have said "Great weather for Ducks." This last happened?at Easter 1998, when I was in Australia, and all I saw of it was on the news over there. Odd seeing Banbury on TV?in another country really! We?still have CCTV footage from that time, when the camera also drowned. I got home easily enough, as I finished at 0345. Bit of surface water outside Bloxham, but no real problem. All because I decided to do my bolody garden last week!! Be warned, I am doing it again this week! Ian -----Original Message----- From: Angela Allen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 7.20pm Subject: [BAN] Weather - an often used topic Rain - seemed like it was never going to stop! 10 weeks worth in 24 hrs has left many places cut off & many buildings affected by flood water all over the UK. Some pictures are starting to appear of the local floods on www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news Cropredy has quite a few pics already - If the canal runs through it/near it - fair chance its flooded! (good job its not Fairport weekend eh Ian) Banbury town centre is not good - but then the canal & river run through it! Angela ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Betty, The Energy System compressed on its Axis,s. If you need to know and expand your knowledge of The Orthodox Reaons for the Cause of The Rapid all of a sudden changes in Our Planetary Climate. Since around 2001. Contact me off list. I am sure 'you' will be be -wildered as well as concerned as it will affect every living thing on this planet. Brett ----- Original Message ----- From: "betty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] Weather - an often used topic I think The World has "Turned on It's A-xis" :-) Here in Queensland , we have had a Dought like no other Water restrictions prevail. Could do with a Yoke to carry the buckets..!! >> and to wake up to 3°c... is an experience we don't enjoy. I actually, wore my Parker when walking - just needed a couple of dogs and my green wellies..! i would have thought I was back in the village of B>>>.the latter being the *Plus Bit* .. Proper FREZ and Dreaming.. betty (sub-tropical Brisbane) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:20 AM Subject: [BAN] Weather - an often used topic > Rain - seemed like it was never going to stop! > 10 weeks worth in 24 hrs has left many places cut off & many buildings > affected by flood water all over the UK. > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think The World has "Turned on It's A-xis" :-) Here in Queensland , we have had a Dought like no other Water restrictions prevail. Could do with a Yoke to carry the buckets..!! >> and to wake up to 3°c... is an experience we don't enjoy. I actually, wore my Parker when walking - just needed a couple of dogs and my green wellies..! i would have thought I was back in the village of B>>>.the latter being the *Plus Bit* .. Proper FREZ and Dreaming.. betty (sub-tropical Brisbane) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:20 AM Subject: [BAN] Weather - an often used topic > Rain - seemed like it was never going to stop! > 10 weeks worth in 24 hrs has left many places cut off & many buildings > affected by flood water all over the UK. > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all, I am a descendent of a branch of the SHIRLEY family who lived in the villages of Barford St Michael and Barford St John, near Hempton in Oxfordshire. I have a family tree that shows my family from mid-18thC to late 19th; and I know my direct ancestry in the 20thC. What is missing is the other branches of the family from the late 19thC. I know that some continued to live in that area. The family of interest is that of Richard SHIRLEY and Ann VINCENT. They had the following children: Martha Mary (1865) - married Martin Randell in 1894 in Hempton William Vincent (1867) Thomas James (1868) Mary (1871) - married Frank Mawle in 1902 at Hempton Vincent Edward (1877) James Ernest (1880). Ann Vincent must have died between 1880 and 1889 because Richard SHIRLEY remarried in 1889 - though he had no further children. I have no record of Ann's death. I am the great-grandson of William Vincent SHIRLEY, who moved to London at some stage in the late 19thC and married there. I was aware from my father of relatives in Oxfordshire, but have no other information. My father was not family oriented and did not keep contact with them. My grandfather Edward SHIRLEY lived in London all his life - however he had an older sister Mabel who is known to have married a Will Hall in 1921 at Hempton. I would be interested in any information about the siblings of William Vincent, in order to track the family further in the 20thC if this is possible. I am sure that at least some would have remained in the area. As I live in Australia, direct research is difficult. The name Vincent remains a family tradition. My father was Leslie Vincent SHIRLEY, and my grandson is Elliott Vincent SHIRLEY. Cheers Tim

At 03:15 22/07/2007, you wrote: >We also are very dry in Michigan, very little rain in the last month. It >goes to the north or the south of us. Have a look at the jet-stream - http://virga.sfsu.edu/crws/jetstream.html - it's unseasonal behaviour is what has caused the UK floods. It was suggested that there might be a "La Nina" event (opposite of El Nino) causing this - events in the Pacific do affect UK weather - but the latest NOAA info suggests otherwise http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.html Best Wishes, Andy.

At 01:29 22/07/2007, you wrote: >We could use the rain over here in Utah, where hundreds of thousands of >acres of land have been on fire for weeks. What has happened to "moderation >in everything"! My chemistry teacher used to say "moderation in all things, including excess"! At the risk of getting political, global warming is not simply a question of things getting hotter - the average temperature increase is very small. What it does mean is there will be more heat in the atmosphere, which means more energy, which means more extremes of weather. That in turn means that exceptional events like the "once in a hundred year" floods we've had, happen more frequently. When you look at the rainfall figures, some parts of the UK had 14cm (6 inches) of rain on Friday - but in 1955 somewhere Dorset had DOUBLE that. These events have always happened, with global warming they'll happen more often. There are complications of course - nothing in life is ever simple. Global warming could well mean Western Europe getting a lot colder. If the warm-up means the gulf stream stops, we loose our source of heat, and we'll be as cold as Labrador! The computer models the scientists use are just not good enough yet to make accurate predictions. There's so much about the climate/ocean interaction we/they don't yet understand. Mean time, to those affected in the Midlands, and Hull (who have had flooding for the best part of a month) sincere good wishes. To those downstream, get the sandbags out! Best Wishes, Andy.

We also are very dry in Michigan, very little rain in the last month. It goes to the north or the south of us. Barb Tucker > We could use the rain over here in Utah, where hundreds of thousands of > acres of land have been on fire for weeks. What has happened to > "moderation > in everything"! > > Bill Watson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:20 PM > Subject: [BAN] Weather - an often used topic > > >> Rain - seemed like it was never going to stop! >> 10 weeks worth in 24 hrs has left many places cut off & many buildings >> affected by flood water all over the UK. >> >> Some pictures are starting to appear of the local floods on >> www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news >> Cropredy has quite a few pics already - If the canal runs through it/near >> it - fair chance its flooded! >> (good job its not Fairport weekend eh Ian) >> >> Banbury town centre is not good - but then the canal & river run through >> it! >> >> Angela >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ >> British History Online >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Tim---- I have a Edward Shirley and Hannah Shirley who witnessed for the marriage of my gggrandfather Ezra Coy in Cropredy when he married Elizabeth Elkington 5/4/1818. Can you fit them in? They don't seem to come from the Coy side. Any help would be appreciated. Barb Subject: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > > > Hello all, > > I am a descendent of a branch of the SHIRLEY family who lived in the > villages of Barford St Michael and Barford St John, near Hempton in > Oxfordshire. > > I have a family tree that shows my family from mid-18thC to late 19th; > and I know my direct ancestry in the 20thC. > > What is missing is the other branches of the family from the late 19thC. > I know that some continued to live in that area. > > The family of interest is that of Richard SHIRLEY and Ann VINCENT. They > had the following children: > > Martha Mary (1865) - married Martin Randell in 1894 in Hempton > William Vincent (1867) > Thomas James (1868) > Mary (1871) - married Frank Mawle in 1902 at Hempton > Vincent Edward (1877) > James Ernest (1880). > > Ann Vincent must have died between 1880 and 1889 because Richard SHIRLEY > remarried in 1889 - though he had no further children. I have no record > of Ann's death. > > I am the great-grandson of William Vincent SHIRLEY, who moved to London > at some stage in the late 19thC and married there. I was aware from my > father of relatives in Oxfordshire, but have no other information. My > father was not family oriented and did not keep contact with them. > > My grandfather Edward SHIRLEY lived in London all his life - however he > had an older sister Mabel who is known to have married a Will Hall in > 1921 at Hempton. > > I would be interested in any information about the siblings of William > Vincent, in order to track the family further in the 20thC if this is > possible. I am sure that at least some would have remained in the area. > As I live in Australia, direct research is difficult. > > The name Vincent remains a family tradition. My father was Leslie > Vincent SHIRLEY, and my grandson is Elliott Vincent SHIRLEY. > > Cheers > > Tim > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi There fellow Listers! I decided to forward the Whitsuntide piece to my brother and sister, after posting it to the list. And it paid off, because later in the day my brother,(in England), replied. I had been unsure when the processions finished. Roy, who was 7 years my junior, and still attending Sunday School and Boys' Brigade when I was away from home at a Teachers'Training College, was able to add more. He wrote --- " We still had the parades after the war, I remember them quite vividly, we marched to Queen's Rd. Church that Auntie Florrie used to attend and the column stretched as far as the eye could see. You are right about the bands, we had the Boys Brigade giving it some wellie or the Broad Street Sallies". His words brought the scene vividly to mind----the procession straggling along to the premier Baptist church, (in central Coventry). Sadly the vision must be in my mind's eye alone, as there has been much redevelopment of that area, with the resultant truncating of the pleasant Greyfriars Green, from whence there used to be a view of the three spires Change is inevitable so it is no used crying over spilt milk----but just be grateful that the memories are there! Talking and sharing with family and friends often leads to further discoveries, I find. I am amazed how the family snippets can add up to something impressive, if memories are given an airing. Do try it! I mourn for the opportunities I let slip by, although unwittingly! The photograph was not in my possession until too late. But oh if I could have talked it over with Grandma or Gt. Aunt Alice, I could have dated it with greater accuracy. We have a close up---a professional shot of little Florrie togged up for the event, in all her Whitsuntide finery. She would not have been more than 3 years old, I'm sure, possibly less. Which begs the question --where was my mother? Was she born yet ,(1904), and left at home with my Gt grandmother? Or was she discreetly awating birth, although Grandma looks too trim for that! What finery they wore---large well decorated hats and leg o' mutton sleeves!A few hats amongst the bystanders are hugely decorated with a "garden" of flowers or a "fruit-salad"!!! What an effort the people of this silk weaving and coalmining community had made to dress up in their Sunday best. How do I know these details, you may well ask? It isn't very clear from the small photo---- but I told you, that I had successfully enlarged it to an A3 size, when so much more became apparent. And then, for comparison I have the photos of the workaday world, in the little book, where the poverty and roughness shows. In the latter many of the womenfolk look to be a tough no-nonsense lot! How they must have laboured to transform themselves for Sundays and celebrations! Regards, Muriel

Rain - seemed like it was never going to stop! 10 weeks worth in 24 hrs has left many places cut off & many buildings affected by flood water all over the UK. Some pictures are starting to appear of the local floods on www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news Cropredy has quite a few pics already - If the canal runs through it/near it - fair chance its flooded! (good job its not Fairport weekend eh Ian) Banbury town centre is not good - but then the canal & river run through it! Angela

We could use the rain over here in Utah, where hundreds of thousands of acres of land have been on fire for weeks. What has happened to "moderation in everything"! Bill Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: [BAN] Weather - an often used topic > Rain - seemed like it was never going to stop! > 10 weeks worth in 24 hrs has left many places cut off & many buildings > affected by flood water all over the UK. > > Some pictures are starting to appear of the local floods on > www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news > Cropredy has quite a few pics already - If the canal runs through it/near > it - fair chance its flooded! > (good job its not Fairport weekend eh Ian) > > Banbury town centre is not good - but then the canal & river run through > it! > > Angela > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh...sorry)))))...big heartfelt smile here....what was I thinking when I said that... I was afraid I had introduced something that might be thought not "on topic"... Should have sat right down to remember, this list is special,.. encouraging to memories and open to original thought....my most sincere apologies... Thank you again Muriel...it was so lovely to read what you had written. Now to make a banner.....long sticks to hold it upright..and the Sunday school worked on them...and sweets given out to the children as they walked by....can we make it happen here...will have another conversation with the warden)). Sincerly Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: [BAN] Off Topic ---- Whitsuntide/nostalgia! > > > >>I am just delighted to read what you have written Muriel. >> Thank you for sharing your lovely and special memories. This however >> might >> be a bit off topic so please forgive. > > Bren, since when on this list was sharing those 'ever decreasing memories' > of childhood & traditions off topic ? > Thought it was one of the attributes that made us slightly different from > many other lists. > Members here can feel comfortable to share more than 'nuts & bolt' data. > > I'm delighted & feel further informed also Murial by your posting - always > something new to learn in this hobby. > > Angela > co admin Banbury list > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>I am just delighted to read what you have written Muriel. > Thank you for sharing your lovely and special memories. This however might > be a bit off topic so please forgive. Bren, since when on this list was sharing those 'ever decreasing memories' of childhood & traditions off topic ? Thought it was one of the attributes that made us slightly different from many other lists. Members here can feel comfortable to share more than 'nuts & bolt' data. I'm delighted & feel further informed also Murial by your posting - always something new to learn in this hobby. Angela co admin Banbury list

Hi Lister Friends, As per usual I am a little tardy in adding my penn'orth to the topic. However there were very good reasons this time! I was hospital visiting! Mention of the Whitsuntides of the past brings back memories of prewar processions on that day. The Sunday Schools gathered together, (at Pool Meadow in Coventry), and then we marched around a route through the city streets. I don't remember it in great detail, as it was so long ago, but there we were, marching behind our Sunday School banners, which had two "sticks, with the pictorial banner unfurled between them. They were works of art and we were justly proud of our own! (Shades of rivalry crept in there!). Bands were placed at intervals in the long ,long "crocodile".If your Sunday School was equidistant between two of them you were in dire staits, in deciding which one to keep in step with, as they never seemed to co-incide! Coventry City Salvation Army band was one of Britain's leading bands at the time, so anyone within hearing of them had a treat! (As an aside, for a moment, the Midlands and the North had some wonderful brass bands, many were from the factories--- Fairey Aviation and Black Dyke Mills are names that spring to my mind.With my father , and his earlier military background , as my mentor in this respect, I was thoroughly "educated" in the niceties of a good brass band). Back to the procession! We all followed our banners, dressed in our best dresses----it always was hot and sunny in those days! Usually we had the extra excitement of new dresses. I don't think that the reason for Whitsuntide really dawned on us. Maybe it was different for the Church of England Sunday School pupils, but I belonged to Chapel! The war interrupted this activity, and it became low key and less colourfully held in each suburb.There were no new dresses for us because of wartime restrictions ie. a limited supply of clothing coupons ----even necessary for handkerchiefs, ( 4 for one coupon). And then I think it gradually fizzled out because of the daytime raids. ------------------------------------- In my mother's time, at the very begimning of the 20th century, Whitsuntide was celebrated in great style. Fortunately I have a treasured record of this. (See the photo on Banburyshire Website---Reminiscences----Schooldays Pt 1). In that year, which was circa 1904/5, each Sunday School in Bedworh (N.Warks) ,had a little girl, dressed in white, riding a pony, heading its contingent. Auntie Florrie was being led by David Lucas, my grandfather. I believe that her group was from Colllycroft, but can't be dogmatic about that. Any of you who are fortunate to own a copy of one of the little books in the series ,"Britain in Old Photographs", pub Sutton Publishing, will no doubt have photographs of Whit processions too---and also other processions, as the populace turned out en masse to cheer on any event. The Bedworth copy has some lovely example of all types, including a Coronation procession annd a Remembrance Sunday one. The photograph I have is a sepia postcard one and I successfully blew it up to A3 size where the detail appears on the colourful banners! I love to lose myself in this photo---Granny and Gt Aunt Alice had run out from the pavement with probably a few sweeties for little Florrie! ( I remember mothers doing that to us, too!). You can feel the excitement! I also get lost in the Bedworth book.. It is dangerous to open it unless I have nothing pressing to do! I steep myself in its ambience. It is very evident that it was a different time, when community involvement, was greater and everyone joined in to share the excitements on offer. I sadly reflect that the modern media developments have widened our horizons but have destroyed that. But different times-------!!!! We have losses---and we have also some gains. One of the latter is the close communication I can now enjoy with my brother in England! So I have to be philosophical about many of the changes and the unavoidanble downsides. Joe, Len, Betty----have you any youthful Whitsuntide memories to share with us? Here's hoping! Regards, Muriel.

I am just delighted to read what you have written Muriel. Thank you. I have one photo in a book, of a Whitsunday procession, and I was so charmed by it, (not really knowing what was going on, but found out later). Since then...I have mentioned to our parish warden, that instead of "run for"...or "walk for"...couldn't we make it a bit of the old style, of a Whitsunday procession and have people pledge to that. As you say, these are different times. Thank you for sharing your lovely and special memories. This however might be a bit off topic so please forgive. Brenda Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "pollyp" <[email protected]> To: "ENG-BANBURY-AREA" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] Whitsuntide----nostalgia! > Hi Lister Friends, > As per usual I am a little tardy in adding my penn'orth to the topic. > However > there were very good reasons this time! I was hospital visiting! > Mention of the Whitsuntides of the past brings back memories of prewar > processions on that day. The Sunday Schools gathered together, (at Pool > Meadow in Coventry), and then we marched around a route through the city > streets. I don't remember it in great detail, as it was so long ago, but > there we > were, marching behind our Sunday School banners, which had two "sticks, > with the pictorial banner unfurled between them. They were works of art > and > we were justly proud of our own! (Shades of rivalry crept in there!). > Bands were placed at intervals in the long ,long "crocodile".If your > Sunday > School was equidistant between two of them you were in dire staits, in > deciding which one to keep in step with, as they never seemed to > co-incide! > Coventry City Salvation Army band was one of Britain's leading bands > at the > time, so anyone within hearing of them had a treat! (As an aside, for a > moment, > the Midlands and the North had some wonderful brass bands, many were from > the factories--- Fairey Aviation and Black Dyke Mills are names that > spring to my > mind.With my father , and his earlier military background , as my mentor > in this > respect, I was thoroughly "educated" in the niceties of a good brass > band). > Back to the procession! We all followed our banners, dressed in our > best > dresses----it always was hot and sunny in those days! Usually we had the > extra > excitement of new dresses. I don't think that the reason for Whitsuntide > really > dawned on us. Maybe it was different for the Church of England Sunday > School > pupils, but I belonged to Chapel! > The war interrupted this activity, and it became low key and less > colourfully > held in each suburb.There were no new dresses for us because of wartime > restrictions ie. a limited supply of clothing coupons ----even necessary > for > handkerchiefs, ( 4 for one coupon). And then I think it gradually fizzled > out > because of the daytime raids. > ------------------------------------- > In my mother's time, at the very begimning of the 20th century, > Whitsuntide > was celebrated in great style. Fortunately I have a treasured record of > this. > (See the photo on Banburyshire Website---Reminiscences----Schooldays Pt > 1). > In that year, which was circa 1904/5, each Sunday School in Bedworh > (N.Warks) > ,had a little girl, dressed in white, riding a pony, heading its > contingent. Auntie > Florrie was being led by David Lucas, my grandfather. I believe that her > group > was from Colllycroft, but can't be dogmatic about that. > Any of you who are fortunate to own a copy of one of the little books > in the > series ,"Britain in Old Photographs", pub Sutton Publishing, will no doubt > have > photographs of Whit processions too---and also other processions, as the > populace turned out en masse to cheer on any event. The Bedworth copy has > some lovely example of all types, including a Coronation procession annd a > Remembrance Sunday one. > The photograph I have is a sepia postcard one and I successfully > blew it > up to A3 size where the detail appears on the colourful banners! I love to > lose > myself in this photo---Granny and Gt Aunt Alice had run out from the > pavement > with probably a few sweeties for little Florrie! ( I remember mothers > doing that > to us, too!). You can feel the excitement! > I also get lost in the Bedworth book.. It is dangerous to open it > unless I have > nothing pressing to do! I steep myself in its ambience. It is very evident > that it > was a different time, when community involvement, was greater and everyone > joined in to share the excitements on offer. I sadly reflect that the > modern > media developments have widened our horizons but have destroyed that. > But different times-------!!!! > We have losses---and we have also some gains. One of the latter is the > close > communication I can now enjoy with my brother in England! So I have to be > philosophical about many of the changes and the unavoidanble downsides. > Joe, Len, Betty----have you any youthful Whitsuntide memories to share > with > us? Here's hoping! > Regards, > Muriel. > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Archer" <[email protected]> To: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> Cc: "Hugh Kearsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] CD roms from OFHS > A vigorous program of rekeying of transcripts into digital form is being > carried out by volunteers, with doubtful characters on the scans being > checked against the original registers at Oxfordshire Record Office. The > county-wide baptism and burial indexes are being compiled in parallel. > > Wendy > Chairman, Oxfordshire FHS