Hi Spencer, I wonder if the word could be strikes? When I was searching the parish register for Yelvertoft, NTH, the vicar has written the price of wheat and barley for that year, in shillings and pence per strike. The University of Nottingham has a nice page on archaic measures: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/mss/online/skills/measures/volumes.phtml HTH, Regards, Ellie > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:34:30 -0600 > From: "Spencer Field" <[email protected]> > Subject: [BAN] Need help with a will > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I am transcribeing a will of Richard Judd of Warmington, probated April 2nd > 1658. He states ---- > [ Item I give and bequeath unto my so sonne John Judd six ?????? of > grinding corn and one cow] and two lines down he states [ and the six ?????? > of corn to be paid him yearly by his mother after my decease during her > life] > > I have looked on every weights and measure reference I can but find nothing > that will fit. The two words look the same and letter for letter, could be > KRIKES. I have never heard of such a word. Any and all suggestions are > greatly appreciated. > > Spencer Field > Calgary Canada

Better make that threshing or it could get spicy! Len

Or how about a "corn crib"? I suppose it could be spelt with a "k" in the Will. Here's some info about cribs: http://www.cribs.us/corn-cribs.htm Shawnna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Neil Gill Sent: July 24, 2007 7:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] Need help with a will Hi Spencer Could be "spikes" of corn, I reckon. Cheers, Neil Melbourne Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Spencer Field Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2007 12:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BAN] Need help with a will I am transcribeing a will of Richard Judd of Warmington, probated April 2nd 1658. He states ---- [ Item I give and bequeath unto my so sonne John Judd six ?????? of grinding corn and one cow] and two lines down he states [ and the six ?????? of corn to be paid him yearly by his mother after my decease during her life] I have looked on every weights and measure reference I can but find nothing that will fit. The two words look the same and letter for letter, could be KRIKES. I have never heard of such a word. Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. Spencer Field Calgary Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail by mistake please notify the sender by return email and delete this message from your system. State Trustees Limited shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt nor damage to your system. State Trustees Limited does not guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that this communication is free of viruses, interceptions or interference. http://www.statetrustees.com.au ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am transcribeing a will of Richard Judd of Warmington, probated April 2nd 1658. He states ---- [ Item I give and bequeath unto my so sonne John Judd six ?????? of grinding corn and one cow] and two lines down he states [ and the six ?????? of corn to be paid him yearly by his mother after my decease during her life] I have looked on every weights and measure reference I can but find nothing that will fit. The two words look the same and letter for letter, could be KRIKES. I have never heard of such a word. Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated. Spencer Field Calgary Canada

Hi Dorothy, No, I did not receive a file from you. Perhaps attachments are not allowed on the list - you can send privately to me at [email protected] Thanks Tim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dorothy.gibbs Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2007 20:03 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family Hi Tim, Thanks for that... I have added them to my database. Did you get the Descendants file I sent as a pdf last night? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > Hello again Dorothy, > > A little more info, and perhaps a correction of dates. I have Mary > Shirley's baptism as 1815 - her mother Sarah died in 1818 and there was > a baby Martha born and died in 1818 so it would seem there was a family > tragedy. > > The illegitimate child Thomas was born in 1839, when Mary would have > been 24 - and she then married William in 1844 as you said. > > Hope this helps. > > Tim > > Hello Dorothy, > > Yes, I have Mary, Thomas and William Gibbs in my information, but > nothing on Mary and William's children (or Thomas for that matter). > > Her father John's brother Thomas is my direct ancestor. I guess that > makes us related, though rather distantly :) Thomas Shirley was my > great-grandfather's great-grandfather. > > Cheers > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Dorothy.gibbs > Sent: Monday, 23 July 2007 23:55 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > Hi Tim, > I wonder if your family is connected to mine. > My Great Grandmother was Mary SHIRLEY baptised 26 Nov 1825 at Barford St > > John > She married William GIBBS at Barford St John on 24 Apr 1844 > I think Mary's Father was John Shirley who married Sarah Burborow on 5 > may > 1803 at Banbury. They lived in Barford St John. > > Mary had an illegitimate son Thomas who was born at Barford St John in > 1839. > He was brought up along with their other children by Mary and William > after > their marriage. They lived in > > Any connections? > > Dorothy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:13 AM > Subject: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > >> >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> I am a descendent of a branch of the SHIRLEY family who lived in the >> villages of Barford St Michael and Barford St John, near Hempton in >> Oxfordshire. >> >> I have a family tree that shows my family from mid-18thC to late 19th; >> and I know my direct ancestry in the 20thC. >> >> What is missing is the other branches of the family from the late > 19thC. >> I know that some continued to live in that area. >> >> The family of interest is that of Richard SHIRLEY and Ann VINCENT. > They >> had the following children: >> >> Martha Mary (1865) - married Martin Randell in 1894 in Hempton >> William Vincent (1867) >> Thomas James (1868) >> Mary (1871) - married Frank Mawle in 1902 at Hempton >> Vincent Edward (1877) >> James Ernest (1880). >> >> Ann Vincent must have died between 1880 and 1889 because Richard > SHIRLEY >> remarried in 1889 - though he had no further children. I have no > record >> of Ann's death. >> >> I am the great-grandson of William Vincent SHIRLEY, who moved to > London >> at some stage in the late 19thC and married there. I was aware from > my >> father of relatives in Oxfordshire, but have no other information. My >> father was not family oriented and did not keep contact with them. >> >> My grandfather Edward SHIRLEY lived in London all his life - however > he >> had an older sister Mabel who is known to have married a Will Hall in >> 1921 at Hempton. >> >> I would be interested in any information about the siblings of William >> Vincent, in order to track the family further in the 20thC if this is >> possible. I am sure that at least some would have remained in the > area. >> As I live in Australia, direct research is difficult. >> >> The name Vincent remains a family tradition. My father was Leslie >> Vincent SHIRLEY, and my grandson is Elliott Vincent SHIRLEY. >> >> Cheers >> >> Tim >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ >> British History Online >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again Dorothy, A little more info, and perhaps a correction of dates. I have Mary Shirley's baptism as 1815 - her mother Sarah died in 1818 and there was a baby Martha born and died in 1818 so it would seem there was a family tragedy. The illegitimate child Thomas was born in 1839, when Mary would have been 24 - and she then married William in 1844 as you said. Hope this helps. Tim Hello Dorothy, Yes, I have Mary, Thomas and William Gibbs in my information, but nothing on Mary and William's children (or Thomas for that matter). Her father John's brother Thomas is my direct ancestor. I guess that makes us related, though rather distantly :) Thomas Shirley was my great-grandfather's great-grandfather. Cheers Tim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dorothy.gibbs Sent: Monday, 23 July 2007 23:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family Hi Tim, I wonder if your family is connected to mine. My Great Grandmother was Mary SHIRLEY baptised 26 Nov 1825 at Barford St John She married William GIBBS at Barford St John on 24 Apr 1844 I think Mary's Father was John Shirley who married Sarah Burborow on 5 may 1803 at Banbury. They lived in Barford St John. Mary had an illegitimate son Thomas who was born at Barford St John in 1839. He was brought up along with their other children by Mary and William after their marriage. They lived in Any connections? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:13 AM Subject: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > > > Hello all, > > I am a descendent of a branch of the SHIRLEY family who lived in the > villages of Barford St Michael and Barford St John, near Hempton in > Oxfordshire. > > I have a family tree that shows my family from mid-18thC to late 19th; > and I know my direct ancestry in the 20thC. > > What is missing is the other branches of the family from the late 19thC. > I know that some continued to live in that area. > > The family of interest is that of Richard SHIRLEY and Ann VINCENT. They > had the following children: > > Martha Mary (1865) - married Martin Randell in 1894 in Hempton > William Vincent (1867) > Thomas James (1868) > Mary (1871) - married Frank Mawle in 1902 at Hempton > Vincent Edward (1877) > James Ernest (1880). > > Ann Vincent must have died between 1880 and 1889 because Richard SHIRLEY > remarried in 1889 - though he had no further children. I have no record > of Ann's death. > > I am the great-grandson of William Vincent SHIRLEY, who moved to London > at some stage in the late 19thC and married there. I was aware from my > father of relatives in Oxfordshire, but have no other information. My > father was not family oriented and did not keep contact with them. > > My grandfather Edward SHIRLEY lived in London all his life - however he > had an older sister Mabel who is known to have married a Will Hall in > 1921 at Hempton. > > I would be interested in any information about the siblings of William > Vincent, in order to track the family further in the 20thC if this is > possible. I am sure that at least some would have remained in the area. > As I live in Australia, direct research is difficult. > > The name Vincent remains a family tradition. My father was Leslie > Vincent SHIRLEY, and my grandson is Elliott Vincent SHIRLEY. > > Cheers > > Tim > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tim, Thanks for that... I have added them to my database. Did you get the Descendants file I sent as a pdf last night? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > Hello again Dorothy, > > A little more info, and perhaps a correction of dates. I have Mary > Shirley's baptism as 1815 - her mother Sarah died in 1818 and there was > a baby Martha born and died in 1818 so it would seem there was a family > tragedy. > > The illegitimate child Thomas was born in 1839, when Mary would have > been 24 - and she then married William in 1844 as you said. > > Hope this helps. > > Tim > > Hello Dorothy, > > Yes, I have Mary, Thomas and William Gibbs in my information, but > nothing on Mary and William's children (or Thomas for that matter). > > Her father John's brother Thomas is my direct ancestor. I guess that > makes us related, though rather distantly :) Thomas Shirley was my > great-grandfather's great-grandfather. > > Cheers > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Dorothy.gibbs > Sent: Monday, 23 July 2007 23:55 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > Hi Tim, > I wonder if your family is connected to mine. > My Great Grandmother was Mary SHIRLEY baptised 26 Nov 1825 at Barford St > > John > She married William GIBBS at Barford St John on 24 Apr 1844 > I think Mary's Father was John Shirley who married Sarah Burborow on 5 > may > 1803 at Banbury. They lived in Barford St John. > > Mary had an illegitimate son Thomas who was born at Barford St John in > 1839. > He was brought up along with their other children by Mary and William > after > their marriage. They lived in > > Any connections? > > Dorothy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:13 AM > Subject: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > >> >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> I am a descendent of a branch of the SHIRLEY family who lived in the >> villages of Barford St Michael and Barford St John, near Hempton in >> Oxfordshire. >> >> I have a family tree that shows my family from mid-18thC to late 19th; >> and I know my direct ancestry in the 20thC. >> >> What is missing is the other branches of the family from the late > 19thC. >> I know that some continued to live in that area. >> >> The family of interest is that of Richard SHIRLEY and Ann VINCENT. > They >> had the following children: >> >> Martha Mary (1865) - married Martin Randell in 1894 in Hempton >> William Vincent (1867) >> Thomas James (1868) >> Mary (1871) - married Frank Mawle in 1902 at Hempton >> Vincent Edward (1877) >> James Ernest (1880). >> >> Ann Vincent must have died between 1880 and 1889 because Richard > SHIRLEY >> remarried in 1889 - though he had no further children. I have no > record >> of Ann's death. >> >> I am the great-grandson of William Vincent SHIRLEY, who moved to > London >> at some stage in the late 19thC and married there. I was aware from > my >> father of relatives in Oxfordshire, but have no other information. My >> father was not family oriented and did not keep contact with them. >> >> My grandfather Edward SHIRLEY lived in London all his life - however > he >> had an older sister Mabel who is known to have married a Will Hall in >> 1921 at Hempton. >> >> I would be interested in any information about the siblings of William >> Vincent, in order to track the family further in the 20thC if this is >> possible. I am sure that at least some would have remained in the > area. >> As I live in Australia, direct research is difficult. >> >> The name Vincent remains a family tradition. My father was Leslie >> Vincent SHIRLEY, and my grandson is Elliott Vincent SHIRLEY. >> >> Cheers >> >> Tim >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ >> British History Online >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wow - thanks everyone for your responses. I am now just about convinced this couple in Evenley are mine, having had a good look around in various OXF sources, it seems most reasonable to me that they are... So now I shall have a hunt around to see if there are any Evenley baptisms about the place, Northants will be a new county for me. Fran - I was just looking at your BETTS page at the weekend - my lot start with John and Mary (of Evenley?) having 7 children in Adderbury, between 1758 and 1776. I have only traced 2 of their daughters to be married so far, though they did have 2 sons, John and Thomas. I've not worked on them yet. If my memory serves me well, there are Betts in Adderbury earlier than this - I shall have to go back and look at my notes again. Thanks once again for all the help :-) Jenna

Morag I have HOLLOWAY family in Cropredy, Horley and Eynsham if its any help, David Judd -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 23 July 2007 14:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] BETTS of Evenley Hi, Normally I could have helped you out regarding Evenley - I have a copy of the parish registers and have transcribed much of them as I have a strange special affection for the parish. But my Fiche for Evenley marriages after 1757 I have currently loaned to a friend of mine who is unfortunately in Australia for a month! So I cant even ask him if he could look it up for you. If no one else on list can help try Alan Clarke's marriage Index for Northamptonshire, you can buy the index but he will also do a free look up via e-mail aswell. You can find details at: http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/marriages.html I was interested as well regarding other names your researching - I also have Holloway's in Chipping Norton, OXF but have yet to meet anyone else researching them. My Holloway's begin with John Holloway and Elizabeth (possibly Tomlins), their daughter Elizabeth b. 1750 she was the 9th child of 10 & married into my Abbott family. Which Holloway's are you researching? Regards Morag ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jenna, Alan Clarke & Marilyn Ponting's marriage Index for Northamptonshire doesn't have any other possible marriages for John BETTS/BETT to Mary any where near your possible dates, other than the 1758 marriage at Evenley, Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: [email protected] Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenna R. Twyford-Jones wrote: > Apologies if this is slightly out of the area of interest for this > list, but since returning from Banbury on Saturday this has been > bothering me no end! > > I have a couple, namely John BETTS and Mary ?, whose seemingly eldest > daughter Hannah was baptised in Adderbury in Jan 1759. I can see no > record of their marriage there, or in the parishes contained on the > same transcription CD. Some time ago it was brought to my attention > that a contender for this couple could be the marriage of John BETTS > and Mary HARDEN in Evenley, who married there 8 May 1758. Seems > reasonable. I'm not sure where John himself came from at this > point...having looked around Banbury museum this week, we're now > curious to see if there is any tenuous link to Betts and their Banbury > cakes! > > Does anyone have any records for this parish? Or do you know where I > could get my hands on them? > > I feel rather silly asking having just spent a week in the area, but I > only recalled the mention of this marriage after I arrived back. > Although we are going to Banbury at least once a month at the moment, > it's usually at the weekend when the record offices are closed :-(. > > Thinking of you all there, many of my people on Dad's side of the > family are from there, as well as Worcester and Hereford. > > Jenna, marooned back in Bradford > > Always looking for CHILTON, BETTS and WALTER in Adderbury; GUY and > HOLLOWAY in Chipping Norton >

Hi Tim, I wonder if your family is connected to mine. My Great Grandmother was Mary SHIRLEY baptised 26 Nov 1825 at Barford St John She married William GIBBS at Barford St John on 24 Apr 1844 I think Mary's Father was John Shirley who married Sarah Burborow on 5 may 1803 at Banbury. They lived in Barford St John. Mary had an illegitimate son Thomas who was born at Barford St John in 1839. He was brought up along with their other children by Mary and William after their marriage. They lived in Any connections? Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:13 AM Subject: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > > > Hello all, > > I am a descendent of a branch of the SHIRLEY family who lived in the > villages of Barford St Michael and Barford St John, near Hempton in > Oxfordshire. > > I have a family tree that shows my family from mid-18thC to late 19th; > and I know my direct ancestry in the 20thC. > > What is missing is the other branches of the family from the late 19thC. > I know that some continued to live in that area. > > The family of interest is that of Richard SHIRLEY and Ann VINCENT. They > had the following children: > > Martha Mary (1865) - married Martin Randell in 1894 in Hempton > William Vincent (1867) > Thomas James (1868) > Mary (1871) - married Frank Mawle in 1902 at Hempton > Vincent Edward (1877) > James Ernest (1880). > > Ann Vincent must have died between 1880 and 1889 because Richard SHIRLEY > remarried in 1889 - though he had no further children. I have no record > of Ann's death. > > I am the great-grandson of William Vincent SHIRLEY, who moved to London > at some stage in the late 19thC and married there. I was aware from my > father of relatives in Oxfordshire, but have no other information. My > father was not family oriented and did not keep contact with them. > > My grandfather Edward SHIRLEY lived in London all his life - however he > had an older sister Mabel who is known to have married a Will Hall in > 1921 at Hempton. > > I would be interested in any information about the siblings of William > Vincent, in order to track the family further in the 20thC if this is > possible. I am sure that at least some would have remained in the area. > As I live in Australia, direct research is difficult. > > The name Vincent remains a family tradition. My father was Leslie > Vincent SHIRLEY, and my grandson is Elliott Vincent SHIRLEY. > > Cheers > > Tim > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I will check my BETTS information to see if I can find anything useful. My ancestors do have a direct connection to the BETTS of Banbury Cake fame, and quite coincidentally I have come across an original newspaper article from 1908 which features Arthur and Samuel Betts - the cake makers. Because of a family matter which is occupying my time I have not had an opportunity to read the article yet. It is quite brown with age and bears a note written in my ancestor's hand - Samuel Betts. Fran Robertson ps - quite a lot of my BETTS line is online at http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/index.htm ----- Original Message ---- From: Jenna R. Twyford-Jones <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:05:38 AM Subject: [BAN] BETTS of Evenley Apologies if this is slightly out of the area of interest for this list, but since returning from Banbury on Saturday this has been bothering me no end! I have a couple, namely John BETTS and Mary ?, whose seemingly eldest daughter Hannah was baptised in Adderbury in Jan 1759. I can see no record of their marriage there, or in the parishes contained on the same transcription CD. Some time ago it was brought to my attention that a contender for this couple could be the marriage of John BETTS and Mary HARDEN in Evenley, who married there 8 May 1758. Seems reasonable. I'm not sure where John himself came from at this point...having looked around Banbury museum this week, we're now curious to see if there is any tenuous link to Betts and their Banbury cakes! Does anyone have any records for this parish? Or do you know where I could get my hands on them? I feel rather silly asking having just spent a week in the area, but I only recalled the mention of this marriage after I arrived back. Although we are going to Banbury at least once a month at the moment, it's usually at the weekend when the record offices are closed :-(. Thinking of you all there, many of my people on Dad's side of the family are from there, as well as Worcester and Hereford. Jenna, marooned back in Bradford Always looking for CHILTON, BETTS and WALTER in Adderbury; GUY and HOLLOWAY in Chipping Norton ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apologies if this is slightly out of the area of interest for this list, but since returning from Banbury on Saturday this has been bothering me no end! I have a couple, namely John BETTS and Mary ?, whose seemingly eldest daughter Hannah was baptised in Adderbury in Jan 1759. I can see no record of their marriage there, or in the parishes contained on the same transcription CD. Some time ago it was brought to my attention that a contender for this couple could be the marriage of John BETTS and Mary HARDEN in Evenley, who married there 8 May 1758. Seems reasonable. I'm not sure where John himself came from at this point...having looked around Banbury museum this week, we're now curious to see if there is any tenuous link to Betts and their Banbury cakes! Does anyone have any records for this parish? Or do you know where I could get my hands on them? I feel rather silly asking having just spent a week in the area, but I only recalled the mention of this marriage after I arrived back. Although we are going to Banbury at least once a month at the moment, it's usually at the weekend when the record offices are closed :-(. Thinking of you all there, many of my people on Dad's side of the family are from there, as well as Worcester and Hereford. Jenna, marooned back in Bradford Always looking for CHILTON, BETTS and WALTER in Adderbury; GUY and HOLLOWAY in Chipping Norton

Hi, Normally I could have helped you out regarding Evenley - I have a copy of the parish registers and have transcribed much of them as I have a strange special affection for the parish. But my Fiche for Evenley marriages after 1757 I have currently loaned to a friend of mine who is unfortunately in Australia for a month! So I cant even ask him if he could look it up for you. If no one else on list can help try Alan Clarke's marriage Index for Northamptonshire, you can buy the index but he will also do a free look up via e-mail aswell. You can find details at: http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/marriages.html I was interested as well regarding other names your researching - I also have Holloway's in Chipping Norton, OXF but have yet to meet anyone else researching them. My Holloway's begin with John Holloway and Elizabeth (possibly Tomlins), their daughter Elizabeth b. 1750 she was the 9th child of 10 & married into my Abbott family. Which Holloway's are you researching? Regards Morag

> I was in the enviable situation of being able to watch, and record, how > the flooding developed. And BOY, did it pee down! Spiceball came off > worst, being between the river and the canal. I watched the car park > become an outdoor swimming pool, and the water rise to reach the > concertina doors at the rear. Then, sadly, at around 3am, that camera > drowned! Hey, don't be letting on the police CCTV cameras have drowned - it'll be 'ram raids' by canoe next!! ;>) Enjoy 'Fairport Convention' weekend - bumped into Chris Leslie a couple of weeks back - he's really looking fwd to performing at this one, what with their new album out also - should be a great show - take some pics! Angela

Angela I thank you for your advice. I wasn't sure which way to go about it. You are all wonderful on this list. Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] Burial place > Frances, > Your best bet would be to contact the present incumbant of Swalcliffe & > Hornton parish or the parish council for each village > > As far as I know all parishes hold a map/plan - (name/date of burial > against > plot number) - this applies for church or chapel burials. > > Swalcliffe Parish Council contact was/is > Mrs Christine Coles > [email protected] > > Hornton Parish Council contact was/is > Alan Cater > [email protected] > > Write to them & explain how far you are travelling, what you are hoping to > find/will be looking for - any help they can give previous to your visit > will be appreciated, due to your allowed time schedule. > > I've found where several of my family rest through this route - no > headstone > errected for them, now just a grassed over space. > But from the churchyard plan I can find their unmarked spot! > > Best wishes > Angela - a tad drier today! > > > > > >> Hi Frances >> Elinor Blake was buried at Swalcliffe in 1813 and Edward Gregory in >> Hornton >> in 1864. I can provide the burial entry from the parish registers if >> required although this does not include the plot details. >> Kind regards >> Karen Hunt >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Frances Gregory" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:51 PM >> Subject: [BAN] Burial place >> >> >>> Hi All >>> I hope to make a visit soon to the area of Swalcliffe to see if I can >>> find >>> the burial place of Elinor Blake buried at Swalcliffe, possibly Horley >>> in >>> 1813 and also her son Edward Gregory who died in Hornton 1864 . >>> Is there any way that I can find out, prior to the visit, exactly where >>> they are buried? as I am presuming that there must be loads of >>> cemetaries >>> within the area. >>> Do I need to find burial records? and will they give me the exact plot? >>> Frances >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ >>> British History Online >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: >>> 21/07/2007 15:52 >>> >>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ >> British History Online >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: >> 21/07/2007 15:52 >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Frances, Your best bet would be to contact the present incumbant of Swalcliffe & Hornton parish or the parish council for each village As far as I know all parishes hold a map/plan - (name/date of burial against plot number) - this applies for church or chapel burials. Swalcliffe Parish Council contact was/is Mrs Christine Coles [email protected] Hornton Parish Council contact was/is Alan Cater [email protected] Write to them & explain how far you are travelling, what you are hoping to find/will be looking for - any help they can give previous to your visit will be appreciated, due to your allowed time schedule. I've found where several of my family rest through this route - no headstone errected for them, now just a grassed over space. But from the churchyard plan I can find their unmarked spot! Best wishes Angela - a tad drier today! > Hi Frances > Elinor Blake was buried at Swalcliffe in 1813 and Edward Gregory in > Hornton > in 1864. I can provide the burial entry from the parish registers if > required although this does not include the plot details. > Kind regards > Karen Hunt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frances Gregory" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:51 PM > Subject: [BAN] Burial place > > >> Hi All >> I hope to make a visit soon to the area of Swalcliffe to see if I can >> find >> the burial place of Elinor Blake buried at Swalcliffe, possibly Horley >> in >> 1813 and also her son Edward Gregory who died in Hornton 1864 . >> Is there any way that I can find out, prior to the visit, exactly where >> they are buried? as I am presuming that there must be loads of cemetaries >> within the area. >> Do I need to find burial records? and will they give me the exact plot? >> Frances >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ >> British History Online >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: >> 21/07/2007 15:52 >> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: > 21/07/2007 15:52 > >

It will be fixed tomorrow. We don't have conoedling in Banbury anyway! Sorry listers, I am going to go off topic! Fairport Convention, last year received an award for the album Liege and Lief (1969). It was voted the most influential Folk album of all time. This year the original line-up, apart from the late lamented Sandy Dennie, are performing the whole album live at Cropredy. That alone is worth £70. I won't get any pictures, as I will be quite a way away from the stage, close to the bar!! Add in Jools Holland with Lulu, Wishbone Ash, the Strawbs and Fairport themselves, what a bargain!!! And you get the reasonably unknown acts too, who can be excellent. Roll on August 9th and the warm weather. Ian P.S. Cropredy is in Banburyshire! -----Original Message----- From: Angela Allen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 8.12pm Subject: [BAN] Drowned I was in the enviable situation of being able to watch, and record, how the flooding developed. And BOY, did it pee down! Spiceball came off worst, being between the river and the canal. I watched the car park become an outdoor swimming pool, and the water rise to reach the concertina doors at the rear. Then, sadly, at around 3am, that camera drowned! Hey, don't be letting on the police CCTV cameras have drowned - it'll be ram raids' by canoe next!! ;>) Enjoy 'Fairport Convention' weekend - bumped into Chris Leslie a couple of eeks back - he's really looking fwd to performing at this one, what with heir new album out also - should be a great show - take some pics! Angela ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ttp://www.british-history.ac.uk/ ritish History Online ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Karen That was so quick !! Thank you. Now I need to find where in each parish. Any ideas where to look? Frances Hope this help Frances Regards Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Gregory" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:37 PM Subject: [BAN] Fw: Burial place > yes please, Karen > Many thanks > Frances > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Hunt Family" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [BAN] Burial place > > >> Hi Frances >> Elinor Blake was buried at Swalcliffe in 1813 and Edward Gregory in >> Hornton >> in 1864. I can provide the burial entry from the parish registers if >> required although this does not include the plot details. >> Kind regards >> Karen Hunt >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Frances Gregory" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:51 PM >> Subject: [BAN] Burial place >> >> >>> Hi All >>> I hope to make a visit soon to the area of Swalcliffe to see if I can >>> find >>> the burial place of Elinor Blake buried at Swalcliffe, possibly Horley >>> in >>> 1813 and also her son Edward Gregory who died in Hornton 1864 . >>> Is there any way that I can find out, prior to the visit, exactly where >>> they are buried? as I am presuming that there must be loads of >>> cemetaries >>> within the area. >>> Do I need to find burial records? and will they give me the exact plot? >>> Frances >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ >>> British History Online >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: >>> 21/07/2007 15:52 >>> >>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ >> British History Online >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: > 21/07/2007 15:52 > >

Sorry - this message was intended for William Tucker - my apologies. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley Sent: Sunday, 22 July 2007 13:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family Hi Barb, Yes, they are both on my family tree (I think). Edward Shirley was baptised in Barford St Michael 28/7/1773. One of Edward's brothers was Thomas Shirley from whom I am descended. Hannah is more difficult, since there are three candidates. 1. Edward had a sister named Hannah who married a Tom Butler in 1808, so she is unlikely to have been known as Hannah Shirley in 1818. 2. Edward's brother William had a daughter Hannah baptised in Barford St Michael 25/5/1794. My records say that she married Charles Woodford in Barford St Michael in 1816 and emigrated to Wisconsin USA. Once again it is unlikely that she would have called herself Hannah Shirley in 1818 even if she was still living in the area. 3. Edward had a daughter Hannah baptised 13/2/1800. The only question here would be that she was 18 in 1818, and I have no idea whether it was OK for someone of that age to be a witness. Perhaps someone else on the list can enlighten us. My best guess is that the witnesses are Edward Shirley and his daughter Hannah. Cheers Tim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Tucker Sent: Sunday, 22 July 2007 12:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family Tim---- I have a Edward Shirley and Hannah Shirley who witnessed for the marriage of my gggrandfather Ezra Coy in Cropredy when he married Elizabeth Elkington 5/4/1818. Can you fit them in? They don't seem to come from the Coy side. Any help would be appreciated. Barb Subject: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > > > Hello all, > > I am a descendent of a branch of the SHIRLEY family who lived in the > villages of Barford St Michael and Barford St John, near Hempton in > Oxfordshire. > > I have a family tree that shows my family from mid-18thC to late 19th; > and I know my direct ancestry in the 20thC. > > What is missing is the other branches of the family from the late 19thC. > I know that some continued to live in that area. > > The family of interest is that of Richard SHIRLEY and Ann VINCENT. They > had the following children: > > Martha Mary (1865) - married Martin Randell in 1894 in Hempton > William Vincent (1867) > Thomas James (1868) > Mary (1871) - married Frank Mawle in 1902 at Hempton > Vincent Edward (1877) > James Ernest (1880). > > Ann Vincent must have died between 1880 and 1889 because Richard SHIRLEY > remarried in 1889 - though he had no further children. I have no record > of Ann's death. > > I am the great-grandson of William Vincent SHIRLEY, who moved to London > at some stage in the late 19thC and married there. I was aware from my > father of relatives in Oxfordshire, but have no other information. My > father was not family oriented and did not keep contact with them. > > My grandfather Edward SHIRLEY lived in London all his life - however he > had an older sister Mabel who is known to have married a Will Hall in > 1921 at Hempton. > > I would be interested in any information about the siblings of William > Vincent, in order to track the family further in the 20thC if this is > possible. I am sure that at least some would have remained in the area. > As I live in Australia, direct research is difficult. > > The name Vincent remains a family tradition. My father was Leslie > Vincent SHIRLEY, and my grandson is Elliott Vincent SHIRLEY. > > Cheers > > Tim > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message