Peace be with you, Tim. Why would you want to apologize for your message regarding William Tucker's relationship to your Banbury SHIRLEYs? As the rest of us fill out or families, we need to know how our ancestors related to others back in the auld sod! That way we can verify and cross reference our own suppositions. If we do not share evidence of relationships with each other, much regeneration of previously evaluated information will be called for. Keep us updated on any information you learn about Banbury folk! :) Joe Ariss :) In a message dated 7/22/2007, 3:04:47 AM, Eastern Daylight Time; [email protected] writes: > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:52:12 +1000 > From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > Sorry - this message was intended for William Tucker - my apologies. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > On Behalf Of Tim Shirley > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007, 13:57 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > Hi Barb, > Yes, they are both on my family tree (I think). > Edward Shirley was baptised in Barford St Michael 28/7/1773. One of > Edward's brothers was Thomas Shirley from whom I am descended. > Hannah is more difficult, since there are three candidates. > 1. Edward had a sister named Hannah who married a Tom Butler in 1808, so she > is unlikely to have been known as Hannah Shirley in 1818. > 2. Edward's brother William had a daughter Hannah baptised in Barford St. > Michael 25/5/1794. My records say that she married Charles Woodford in > Barford St Michael in 1816 and emigrated to Wisconsin USA. Once again it is > unlikely that she would have called herself Hannah Shirley in 1818 even if she was > still living in the area. > 3. Edward had a daughter Hannah baptised 13/2/1800. The only question here > would be that she was 18 in 1818, and I have no idea whether it was OK for > someone of that age to be a witness. Perhaps someone else on the list can > enlighten us. > My best guess is that the witnesses are Edward Shirley and his daughter, > Hannah. > Cheers > Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > On Behalf Of Tim Shirley > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007, 12:07 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > Tim---- I have a Edward Shirley and Hannah Shirley who witnessed for the > marriage of my gggrandfather Ezra Coy in Cropredy when he married Elizabeth > Elkington 5/4/1818. Can you fit them in? They don't seem to come from the Coy > side. Any help would be appreciated. Barb > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

>In a message dated 7/21/2007, 3:04:34 AM, Eastern Daylight Time; [email protected] writes: > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Friday, July 20, 2007, 19:56:16 +0100 > >From: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> > >Subject: [BAN] Off Topic ---- Whitsuntide/nostalgia! > >>I am just delighted to read what you have written Muriel. > >>Thank you for sharing your lovely and special memories. This, however, > might > >>be a bit off topic, so please forgive. > >Bern, since when on this list was sharing those 'ever decreasing memories' > of >childhood & traditions off topic? > >Thought it was one of the attributes that made us slightly different from > many >other lists. > >Members here can feel comfortable to share more than 'nuts & bolt' data. > >I'm delighted & feel further informed also Muriel by your posting - always > >something new to learn in this hobby. > >Angela > >co admin Banbury list Peace be with you, Bren. I thoroughly enjoyed your recollections of the Whitsuntide religious celebrations and procession with bands, even. I think you were right to be concerned about the topic though. Despite what you were told, I was ejected from a family message board by our co admin for expressing religious thoughts on my family's message board. May God bring peace to your days! :) Joe Ariss:) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

No, I am not going to wax lyrical about the performance of the various artistes. But they were bolody good! And the weather was magnificent! Something has occurred to me: Maybe, sometime in the future, children who were conceived at 'Fairport', may just be looking at this site/list, trying to gain information about the area. I hope our successors don't disappoint them. Bearing in mind, that even now the members of the band are "knocking on a bit", will the festival still be going when they finally hang up their guitars and fiddles? I suspect it will, albeit under a different name. It is too much of a commercial success, to ever stop the event altogether. They may not be the best, or most successful band in the world, but they are certainly prolific. A Two hour and?a Four hour set hardly touched their repertoire. Anyway, enough of that. If you have ever wondered why it is so popular, go - No matter what your age is! You will enjoy every minute of it. They even had an opera singer there this year! Ian ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Hi everyone, Iam askimng a favour for a lookup in New Zealand if at all possible .The infomation I have is quite brief till I get more details .The query is for a missing Aunt who went to New Zealand circa 1972 and only knowing the maiden surname and no place of abode?the friend would like to know if it would be worth a try .I am sure there is some one who likes a challenge or who may the best site to view ....Thanks for your time ..regards Sue ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Hi Ann, All my earliest memories of Whitsuntide are of lovely hot sunny days. We wore our best summery dresses for the walk. My Mum and Grandma Lucas made us new dresses, which added to our excitement. They were an attractive style, having a fitted bodice, full skirt, with a half belt tied in a huge bow at the back. I think that the weather patterns have definately changed since then! Glad to see that you are out of hospital, and hope that you make a good recovery. Regards, Muriel.

Hi, tis Caroles Mum newly home and well on the mend. It was 'Walking Day' which Carole remembers, an event that we came across for the first time when we lived for a spell in Warrington, Lancs. It was organised by the church and Sunday Schools and as she remembers entailed a whole heap of walking. Dressing up as smartly as could be managed was a given and carrying the banner dedicated to your particular church/Sunday school was done with great pride. Pity Carole was unwell because at the end there was a huge 'tea party' but all she could do was crawl into bed utterly exhausted. Made of much stronger stuff be our Carole these days though. I remember it being a very warm day so would have put the time later than Whitsun and I don't recall the weather getting that warm until closer to end of July, but my mind could be playing me tricks. We had moved on to Scotland before the next one and there were other new traditions to learn about then and other things got tucked away in the back of the mind only to resurface when some one on this list, or maybe another, gives the old cobwebs a shake. Too tired for more now but you have certainly reminded me of a few of my childhood memories of 'high days and holidays' where the 'anticipation and looking forward too' were as big as the event itself. Ann (W) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] Whit and other memories. > Hi Muriel, > > I have been pondering the white dress parade a little more, and the phrase > "Walking Day" comes to mind. Has the parade ever been referred to or > known > as Walking Day? I cannot remember what time of year it was, but as I was > in > a white sleeveless dress my mother had made, it must have been a warmer > season. I half remember carrying a white Prayer Book that my grandmother > had > given me, too. > > I remember going on other parades with the Girl Guides and Brownies, but I > think that was more for Remembrance Day and Thinking Day. It seems to me > that Parades were a great thing back then, much planning and rehearsal > especially if elected to be flag bearer. > > Now, sadly, it seems that parades are more likely to be protest marches > about some thing or another, but I remember as a young person how proud I > was in parades and when I was in the Flag Part....Wow! What an honour! > > Carole > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pollyp > Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2007 10:47 a.m. > To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA > Subject: Re: [BAN] Whit and other memories. > > Hi fellow Listers, > Good that more are joining in with memories of the processions and > marches that they were involved in when young. > Rhoda, you were so right about a general falling off in smartness in > the > participants of so many events. My sister and I belonged to the Girls' > Life > Brigade, and were turned out very smartly for Church Parades and > anything else that came up. I remember lining the route when Princess > Elizabeth visited Coventry, to open the new Broadgate in1948. She wore > a lime green fullskirted coat with a peplum effect. Nicely concealing as > it > was soon announced that she was expecting a child, (Prince Charles) > and a refreshing contrast in colour and style from the austerity we were > used to. > With coupons and shortages we still seemed to managea smart turnout. > During the war itself full GLB. uniform was excused and the light blue PT. > uniform dress, worn with white ankle socks, and a beret, was acceptable. > How > > proud I was when my mother bought me the full uniform dress of navy blue, > which was worn with black silk stockings. I rather fancied myself in > those, > having a neat pair of ankles in those days! > It is a shame that general smartness and pride in appearance seems to > have slipped so badly. In contrast our local newspapers show photographs > of > the rapidly dwindling war veterans, at the open-air, (and often dawn), > services > on Remembrance Day and Anzac Day. Most setting an example in their > marching, and others limping valiently along. All are smartly turned out, > wearing > their medals with pride---and occasionally there is a young boy marching > in > place of his deceased grandfather or gt.grandfather, and displaying his > medals. > As to the wearing of white at Whitsun, obviously this tradition was > more > strongly observeved in some areas than others. My guess is that it was > perpetuated most strongly in the North and perhaps the Midlands. Carole's > description would be of a Whit Sunday procession. > Thinking about it the other day, I mused on the dressing up for the > Whitsun > Parades at the turn of the 19th century. So many people on the borders of > poverty, and yet they wore these lovely white dresses! That is the case of > young Florrie Lucas, whose family were near the poverty line, and yet she > had > the most gorgeous outfit---an intricately decorated dress and a veil. Of > course > grandma was a trained tailoress and dressmaker and probably could achieve > miracles with scraps and offcuts from the street markets. Grandma's > eyesight > had been ruined when sewing by candlelight so I only saw the faint echoes > of > her talent, as a little girl in the 1930s.(If anyone is interested in what > little Florrie > wore, I am happy to send a photo offlist). > Many of these old customs seem to have fizzled out or become pale > watered-down apologies of themselves. It is perhaps a reflection of our > times, > with the emphasis being based on a wider community. Old values have been > replaced---some, unfortunately, others for the better! With communities > not > being so tightly adhesive people are not so concerned with pride, and > keeping > up appearances. > My paternal grandmother was a good example of a "proud" woman---with > neat appearance, fabulous colouring and complexion and guardsman > deportment. Her bread and butter was cut so thin that it was almost > transparent. > She had been in service and liked things nice! I am betting that in her > early > married life to George she had a struggle to keep up her standards---but > she > won! However her gt. grandchildren won't let me near a bread knife, as I > am > a total disaster when it comes to slicing bread! > Regards, > Muriel. :>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: > 25/07/2007 > 2:55 p.m. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: > 25/07/2007 > 2:55 p.m. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: 8/2/2007 > 2:22 PM > >

Brenda If Ann was illegitimate then her father would have been Thomas Evans and her surname Spencer (her mother's name) Richard Ancestors (some back to the 1500s)with 300 different surnames from Warwickshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire and Oxfordshire. 180 village photos. 40 trade guide extracts. Visit my web site at http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/rwkfamilyhistory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bren" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: [BAN] lookup request > Hi everyone. I have a lookup request, and wonder if someone might be able > to confirm the following. > > The IGI states, Ann Spencer was born 07 August 1796, Middleton Cheney and > that she was the Daughter of Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer who married 12 > May 1795. > > I would have expected Ann Spencer the daughter to be named Ann Evans, not > Ann Spencer. I have other children for Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer, but > not this Ann. Would someone be able to find a baptism for her. > > Ann Spencer b. 07 August 1796 goes on to marry William Bricknell on 16 > July 1816. > > Sincere thanks, > Brenda > > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS) > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. > Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at > http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Well Thank you Bill, you are always a great help!! So it is her middle name... Very pleased, and also for the marriage with witnessess,.. always a bonus. Sincere thanks Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Watson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] lookup request > Also, marriage shows; > > 16 Jul 1816 William BRICKNELL bach otp > Anne Spencer EVANS spin otp > wit: Robert WISE Thomas LOCK > > HTH, > > Bill Watson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bren" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:46 AM > Subject: [BAN] lookup request > > >> Hi everyone. I have a lookup request, and wonder if someone might be able >> to confirm the following. >> >> The IGI states, Ann Spencer was born 07 August 1796, Middleton Cheney and >> that she was the Daughter of Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer who married 12 >> May 1795. >> >> I would have expected Ann Spencer the daughter to be named Ann Evans, not >> Ann Spencer. I have other children for Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer, but >> not this Ann. Would someone be able to find a baptism for her. >> >> Ann Spencer b. 07 August 1796 goes on to marry William Bricknell on 16 >> July 1816. >> >> Sincere thanks, >> Brenda >> >> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. >> Virus Database (VPS) >> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. >> Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at >> http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. > Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at > http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone. I have a lookup request, and wonder if someone might be able to confirm the following. The IGI states, Ann Spencer was born 07 August 1796, Middleton Cheney and that she was the Daughter of Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer who married 12 May 1795. I would have expected Ann Spencer the daughter to be named Ann Evans, not Ann Spencer. I have other children for Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer, but not this Ann. Would someone be able to find a baptism for her. Ann Spencer b. 07 August 1796 goes on to marry William Bricknell on 16 July 1816. Sincere thanks, Brenda avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS) avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com

Also, marriage shows; 16 Jul 1816 William BRICKNELL bach otp Anne Spencer EVANS spin otp wit: Robert WISE Thomas LOCK HTH, Bill Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bren" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: [BAN] lookup request > Hi everyone. I have a lookup request, and wonder if someone might be able > to confirm the following. > > The IGI states, Ann Spencer was born 07 August 1796, Middleton Cheney and > that she was the Daughter of Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer who married 12 > May 1795. > > I would have expected Ann Spencer the daughter to be named Ann Evans, not > Ann Spencer. I have other children for Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer, but > not this Ann. Would someone be able to find a baptism for her. > > Ann Spencer b. 07 August 1796 goes on to marry William Bricknell on 16 > July 1816. > > Sincere thanks, > Brenda > > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS) > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. > Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at > http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brenda, 7 Aug 1796 Ann Spencer d Thomas & Anne EVANS of Overthorpe (Spencer is middle name) HTH, Bill Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bren" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:46 AM Subject: [BAN] lookup request > Hi everyone. I have a lookup request, and wonder if someone might be able > to confirm the following. > > The IGI states, Ann Spencer was born 07 August 1796, Middleton Cheney and > that she was the Daughter of Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer who married 12 > May 1795. > > I would have expected Ann Spencer the daughter to be named Ann Evans, not > Ann Spencer. I have other children for Thomas Evans and Anne Spencer, but > not this Ann. Would someone be able to find a baptism for her. > > Ann Spencer b. 07 August 1796 goes on to marry William Bricknell on 16 > July 1816. > > Sincere thanks, > Brenda > > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS) > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. > Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at > http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dorothy, Here is what I have on Mary Shirley's ancestors (turns out there are 2 generations not 3): William Shirley (b ~ 1748), married Ann Buttell 29/4/1770 in Hook Norton They had 7 children, all baptised at Barford St Michael: Edward (bapt 28/7/1773) Alice (bapt 28/5/1775) Thomas (bapt 2/3/1777) JOHN (bapt 30/5/1779) Hannah (bapt 5/8/1781) Eliza (bapt 30/11/1783) Ann (bapt 5/8/1786) John's brother Thomas was my direct ancestor. As you know, John Shirley married Sarah Bururrow in 1803, she died in 1818 (probably in childbirth) aged 45. John died in 1843 at Barford St John. They had 6 children, all baptised at Barford St John: Elizabeth (bapt 1805) Joseph (1808) Hannah (1811) Sarah (1813, died 1833) MARY (1815) Martha (1818, died 1818) I don't have any other information about Mary's siblings. I hope this helps. Cheers Tim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dorothy.gibbs Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 8:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family Hi Tim, Oh goody... at last. I'll look forward to seeing what you have in due course. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > Hi Dorothy, > > I did receive it last night thanks! > > I will assemble some more data on Mary Shirley's ancestors (I have about > 3 generations) and send it in the next few days. > > Cheers > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Dorothy.gibbs > Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 8:12 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > HI Tim, > I have tried twice now to send you the pdf file of the Shirley data at > your > email address and it keeps getting sent back. Any Ideas? > It's only a small file that I have attached... so size isn't the issue. > > Dorothy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Shirley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: [BAN] SHIRLEY family > > >> Hello again Dorothy, >> >> A little more info, and perhaps a correction of dates. I have Mary >> Shirley's baptism as 1815 - her mother Sarah died in 1818 and there > was >> a baby Martha born and died in 1818 so it would seem there was a > family >> tragedy. >> >> The illegitimate child Thomas was born in 1839, when Mary would have >> been 24 - and she then married William in 1844 as you said. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Tim >> >> Hello Dorothy, >> >> Yes, I have Mary, Thomas and William Gibbs in my information, but >> nothing on Mary and William's children (or Thomas for that matter). >> >> Her father John's brother Thomas is my direct ancestor. I guess that >> makes us related, though rather distantly :) Thomas Shirley was my >> great-grandfather's great-grandfather. >> >> Cheers >> >> Tim >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Muriel, I have been pondering the white dress parade a little more, and the phrase "Walking Day" comes to mind. Has the parade ever been referred to or known as Walking Day? I cannot remember what time of year it was, but as I was in a white sleeveless dress my mother had made, it must have been a warmer season. I half remember carrying a white Prayer Book that my grandmother had given me, too. I remember going on other parades with the Girl Guides and Brownies, but I think that was more for Remembrance Day and Thinking Day. It seems to me that Parades were a great thing back then, much planning and rehearsal especially if elected to be flag bearer. Now, sadly, it seems that parades are more likely to be protest marches about some thing or another, but I remember as a young person how proud I was in parades and when I was in the Flag Part....Wow! What an honour! Carole -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pollyp Sent: Sunday, 29 July 2007 10:47 a.m. To: ENG-BANBURY-AREA Subject: Re: [BAN] Whit and other memories. Hi fellow Listers, Good that more are joining in with memories of the processions and marches that they were involved in when young. Rhoda, you were so right about a general falling off in smartness in the participants of so many events. My sister and I belonged to the Girls' Life Brigade, and were turned out very smartly for Church Parades and anything else that came up. I remember lining the route when Princess Elizabeth visited Coventry, to open the new Broadgate in1948. She wore a lime green fullskirted coat with a peplum effect. Nicely concealing as it was soon announced that she was expecting a child, (Prince Charles) and a refreshing contrast in colour and style from the austerity we were used to. With coupons and shortages we still seemed to managea smart turnout. During the war itself full GLB. uniform was excused and the light blue PT. uniform dress, worn with white ankle socks, and a beret, was acceptable. How proud I was when my mother bought me the full uniform dress of navy blue, which was worn with black silk stockings. I rather fancied myself in those, having a neat pair of ankles in those days! It is a shame that general smartness and pride in appearance seems to have slipped so badly. In contrast our local newspapers show photographs of the rapidly dwindling war veterans, at the open-air, (and often dawn), services on Remembrance Day and Anzac Day. Most setting an example in their marching, and others limping valiently along. All are smartly turned out, wearing their medals with pride---and occasionally there is a young boy marching in place of his deceased grandfather or gt.grandfather, and displaying his medals. As to the wearing of white at Whitsun, obviously this tradition was more strongly observeved in some areas than others. My guess is that it was perpetuated most strongly in the North and perhaps the Midlands. Carole's description would be of a Whit Sunday procession. Thinking about it the other day, I mused on the dressing up for the Whitsun Parades at the turn of the 19th century. So many people on the borders of poverty, and yet they wore these lovely white dresses! That is the case of young Florrie Lucas, whose family were near the poverty line, and yet she had the most gorgeous outfit---an intricately decorated dress and a veil. Of course grandma was a trained tailoress and dressmaker and probably could achieve miracles with scraps and offcuts from the street markets. Grandma's eyesight had been ruined when sewing by candlelight so I only saw the faint echoes of her talent, as a little girl in the 1930s.(If anyone is interested in what little Florrie wore, I am happy to send a photo offlist). Many of these old customs seem to have fizzled out or become pale watered-down apologies of themselves. It is perhaps a reflection of our times, with the emphasis being based on a wider community. Old values have been replaced---some, unfortunately, others for the better! With communities not being so tightly adhesive people are not so concerned with pride, and keeping up appearances. My paternal grandmother was a good example of a "proud" woman---with neat appearance, fabulous colouring and complexion and guardsman deportment. Her bread and butter was cut so thin that it was almost transparent. She had been in service and liked things nice! I am betting that in her early married life to George she had a struggle to keep up her standards---but she won! However her gt. grandchildren won't let me near a bread knife, as I am a total disaster when it comes to slicing bread! Regards, Muriel. :>) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 2:55 p.m. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 2:55 p.m.

Hi fellow Listers, Good that more are joining in with memories of the processions and marches that they were involved in when young. Rhoda, you were so right about a general falling off in smartness in the participants of so many events. My sister and I belonged to the Girls' Life Brigade, and were turned out very smartly for Church Parades and anything else that came up. I remember lining the route when Princess Elizabeth visited Coventry, to open the new Broadgate in1948. She wore a lime green fullskirted coat with a peplum effect. Nicely concealing as it was soon announced that she was expecting a child, (Prince Charles) and a refreshing contrast in colour and style from the austerity we were used to. With coupons and shortages we still seemed to managea smart turnout. During the war itself full GLB. uniform was excused and the light blue PT. uniform dress, worn with white ankle socks, and a beret, was acceptable. How proud I was when my mother bought me the full uniform dress of navy blue, which was worn with black silk stockings. I rather fancied myself in those, having a neat pair of ankles in those days! It is a shame that general smartness and pride in appearance seems to have slipped so badly. In contrast our local newspapers show photographs of the rapidly dwindling war veterans, at the open-air, (and often dawn), services on Remembrance Day and Anzac Day. Most setting an example in their marching, and others limping valiently along. All are smartly turned out, wearing their medals with pride---and occasionally there is a young boy marching in place of his deceased grandfather or gt.grandfather, and displaying his medals. As to the wearing of white at Whitsun, obviously this tradition was more strongly observeved in some areas than others. My guess is that it was perpetuated most strongly in the North and perhaps the Midlands. Carole's description would be of a Whit Sunday procession. Thinking about it the other day, I mused on the dressing up for the Whitsun Parades at the turn of the 19th century. So many people on the borders of poverty, and yet they wore these lovely white dresses! That is the case of young Florrie Lucas, whose family were near the poverty line, and yet she had the most gorgeous outfit---an intricately decorated dress and a veil. Of course grandma was a trained tailoress and dressmaker and probably could achieve miracles with scraps and offcuts from the street markets. Grandma's eyesight had been ruined when sewing by candlelight so I only saw the faint echoes of her talent, as a little girl in the 1930s.(If anyone is interested in what little Florrie wore, I am happy to send a photo offlist). Many of these old customs seem to have fizzled out or become pale watered-down apologies of themselves. It is perhaps a reflection of our times, with the emphasis being based on a wider community. Old values have been replaced---some, unfortunately, others for the better! With communities not being so tightly adhesive people are not so concerned with pride, and keeping up appearances. My paternal grandmother was a good example of a "proud" woman---with neat appearance, fabulous colouring and complexion and guardsman deportment. Her bread and butter was cut so thin that it was almost transparent. She had been in service and liked things nice! I am betting that in her early married life to George she had a struggle to keep up her standards---but she won! However her gt. grandchildren won't let me near a bread knife, as I am a total disaster when it comes to slicing bread! Regards, Muriel. :>)

Thanks for the memories Murial I should have added to the email that the A T C band which we have every November are always so smart and well turned out it is a joy to see them. Rhoda

Hmmmm....I wonder if it was a Whitsuntide parade I went on in the Midlands in the 60's? I had to wear a white dress and walked for miles and it was through the Sunday school I was attending that meant I was involved. I can't check with mum as she is in hospital, but I remember walking millions of miles and being ill at the time made it seem longer, and lots of folks in their Sunday Best. Lots of Sunday Schools seemed to be involved also. (Sorry, horribly behind in reading list mails right now) Carole -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bren Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2007 11:03 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] Off Topic ---- Whitsuntide/nostalgia! Oh...sorry)))))...big heartfelt smile here....what was I thinking when I said that... I was afraid I had introduced something that might be thought not "on topic"... Should have sat right down to remember, this list is special,.. encouraging to memories and open to original thought....my most sincere apologies... Thank you again Muriel...it was so lovely to read what you had written. Now to make a banner.....long sticks to hold it upright..and the Sunday school worked on them...and sweets given out to the children as they walked by....can we make it happen here...will have another conversation with the warden)). Sincerly Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: [BAN] Off Topic ---- Whitsuntide/nostalgia! > > > >>I am just delighted to read what you have written Muriel. >> Thank you for sharing your lovely and special memories. This however >> might >> be a bit off topic so please forgive. > > Bren, since when on this list was sharing those 'ever decreasing memories' > of childhood & traditions off topic ? > Thought it was one of the attributes that made us slightly different from > many other lists. > Members here can feel comfortable to share more than 'nuts & bolt' data. > > I'm delighted & feel further informed also Murial by your posting - always > something new to learn in this hobby. > > Angela > co admin Banbury list > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 21/07/2007 3:52 p.m. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 2:55 p.m.

I do not remember any school celebrations for Whitsun except the relevent bible stories..We had special hyms at Sunday school something new to wear and a weeks holiday.. Just before November 11th we took pennys to school to buy a poppy when the seller came to the school you could have a nice silk one for 6d. At 11 oclock we had the two minutes silence. The nearest Sunday to the 11th was a Church parade and service with a band folowed by Guides Brownies Scouts Cubs and the British Legion. We had to be very smart Guides had to wear black stockings and well polished shoes ,neatly pressed uniforms and we really did have to March it was much the same for my kids but the girls did not have to wear balck stockings . It still happens but I cannot help but notice the grubby trainers and sloppy uniforms as they shufle along. and sadly fewer British Legion members each year.

The only?ones I ever went on, were the St Georges Day Parades, usually at Heythrop. As a member of the Scouts, we were expected to. We used to have a bit of a procession on Remembrance Sunday too, but it cannot really be called a march or parade. Does anyone remember when we only had one remembrance day? Now we not only have the Sunday, but the actual day (11th Nov)?too. I cannot forget that one, as it is my wife's birthday! I believe it is called Veterans Day in USA, and is on the same day. Whitsuntide, in itself, really only exists as a religious festival, albeit the Late Spring Public Holiday usually coincides with it. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Carole <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 4.58am Subject: Re: [BAN] Off Topic ---- Whitsuntide/nostalgia! Hmmmm....I wonder if it was a Whitsuntide parade I went on in the Midlands in the 60's? I had to wear a white dress and walked for miles and it was through the Sunday school I was attending that meant I was involved. I can't check with mum as she is in hospital, but I remember walking millions of miles and being ill at the time made it seem longer, and lots of folks in their Sunday Best. Lots of Sunday Schools seemed to be involved also. (Sorry, horribly behind in reading list mails right now) Carole -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bren Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2007 11:03 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BAN] Off Topic ---- Whitsuntide/nostalgia! Oh...sorry)))))...big heartfelt smile here....what was I thinking when I said that... I was afraid I had introduced something that might be thought not "on topic"... Should have sat right down to remember, this list is special,.. encouraging to memories and open to original thought....my most sincere apologies... Thank you again Muriel...it was so lovely to read what you had written. Now to make a banner.....long sticks to hold it upright..and the Sunday school worked on them...and sweets given out to the children as they walked by....can we make it happen here...will have another conversation with the warden)). Sincerly Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: [BAN] Off Topic ---- Whitsuntide/nostalgia! > > > >>I am just delighted to read what you have written Muriel. >> Thank you for sharing your lovely and special memories. This however >> might >> be a bit off topic so please forgive. > > Bren, since when on this list was sharing those 'ever decreasing memories' > of childhood & traditions off topic ? > Thought it was one of the attributes that made us slightly different from > many other lists. > Members here can feel comfortable to share more than 'nuts & bolt' data. > > I'm delighted & feel further informed also Murial by your posting - always > something new to learn in this hobby. > > Angela > co admin Banbury list > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ > British History Online > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 21/07/2007 3:52 p.m. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.19/918 - Release Date: 25/07/2007 2:55 p.m. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Hello Spencer, The word in Richard Judd's will of 1658 which gave you a problem is "strikes". As you assumed, a strike was a measure, probably the equivalent of a bushel, though it varied from place to place. (See Oxford English Dictionary). As the eldest son, John would only come fully into his inheritance after his mother's death, but was to have six strikes of grinding corn and right of common pasture for one cow in the meantime. The will of his mother, Mary, was proved four years later in 1662 and was probably a "deathbed" will. Richard's will, on the other hand, seems to have been written some years before his death/ some years before probate. If you have other, similar problems, I shall be pleased to try to help! Liz Newman Hon. Sec., Warmington Heritage Group Spencer the above has been received from Mrs Liz Newman of the Warmington Heritage Group which you should find of interest. If you want to contact me direct regarding this JUDD family please email me at [email protected] and I will be happy to help further, David Judd -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Spencer Field Sent: 27 July 2007 05:39 To: [email protected] Subject: [BAN] Judd one name study (was need help with a will) David My interest in Richard Judd is actually the father of the Richard Judd whose will was probated in 1658. The first mentioned Richard Judd was my 9th great grandfather. The descent from there is Ezekiel Judd,> Phillip[a]/Phylippa Judd/(Hitchcocks),>Philipa Hitchcock/Hitchcox/(Churchill), Mary Churchill/(Field-m 1784) all in the Banburyshire area and then to Thame Oxon. Thanks for the offer of help. I accept!!!! Spencer Field ----- Original Message ----- From: "DAVID JUDD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Alec Newman" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] Need help with a will > Spencer, can I ask what your interest is in Richard Judd of Warmington? I > am > researching the JUDD family in Oxfordshire & Warwickshire, and I have > formed > a One Name Study at the Society of Genealogists in London. I will help > with > your enquiry, David Judd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ British History Online ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message