Ian I noticed your email regarding glovemaking. I have family that came from Wooton and Woodstock who were gloveresses but had never really looked into the industry. I googled glovemaking in the area and found this item on the BBC website about glovemaking. I was fascinated to find out why it was so popular in the area below, the BBC mention that it started because of the sovereign coming to Blenheim Palace to hunt - an obvious byproduct of hunting is the leather. Are the ones mentioned that are still sold in Woodstock the ones from China? Glove Making According to the Domesday Book of 1086, Wychwood Forest3 covered much of the west of Oxfordshire and was used by the sovereign for hunting wild animals such as deer, sheep and pig. Many a royal figure had a hunting lodge there and later on many a sovereign would stay at nearby Blenheim Palace. During the 13th century Woodstock and Oxford prospered in glove making, using the hides left over from the animals that were hunted down by the sovereign. These were then sold back to the sovereign as gloves and were often ornately decorated, particularly in Elizabeth I's time. The gloves would be used by the sovereign for hunting and hawking. Glove making still takes place today, although not in the factories that once stood. These gloves are sold at the glove shop in Woodstock next to the town hall. Christine Hartwell ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] Titcomb (or similar) > Thank you Rod and all others who have answered. I think it is Maria who I > am looking into for someone else. She was a glover(ess) and I was trying > to find out where she worked. Charlbury, Woodstock and Chippy were all > glovemaking centres, and I was trying to work out where she might have > worked. It is of course possible, that she was an outworker. My Gran and > Mum both did outwork for the Charlbury factory. Poor pay, but it kept Gran > in fags until the day she died! > The other possibility is that she walked to work. 5 miles was nothing in > those days. > You can still get Woodstock gloves - Made in China! > It seems that not many people wear gloves these days. Is it because we > jump on the bus or in the car? > > > Ian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Wise <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10.05am > Subject: Re: [BAN] Titcomb (or similar) > > > > Titcombe all living Enstone 1851 HO 107 1732 fol 570 p 10 > Household 22 > Caleb son 1841 Enstone agricul boy > Edward son 1835 Enstone > Eli son 1830 Enstone agric lab > Elijah son 1839 Enstone agricul boy > John son 1827 Enstone agric lab > Keziah wife 1796 Bloxham agric lab > Maria dau 1832 Enstone Glooriss? > Richard head 1801 Enstone pauper, agric lab > > Household 34 > James head 1825 Bloxham agric lab > Ann wife 1826 Enstone > Emanuel son 1849 Enstone > Geffrey son 1848 Enstone > Uleuah Elzh dau 1850 (3 mths) Clevely > > Also the name appears at Burford > HO 107 1731 fol 743 p9 with niece BRYAN Monmouth and Glos > Regards > Kind Soul in thanks for what others have done for me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:53 AM > Subject: [BAN] Titcomb (or similar) > > >> Could some very kind soul have a look for any Titcomb's in the 1851 >> Census >> for Enstone please? >> I am looking for an address, and any other persons who may be living >> there >> at the time. >> Thank you, >> >> >> Ian X >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. 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Titcombe all living Enstone 1851 HO 107 1732 fol 570 p 10 Household 22 Caleb son 1841 Enstone agricul boy Edward son 1835 Enstone Eli son 1830 Enstone agric lab Elijah son 1839 Enstone agricul boy John son 1827 Enstone agric lab Keziah wife 1796 Bloxham agric lab Maria dau 1832 Enstone Glooriss? Richard head 1801 Enstone pauper, agric lab Household 34 James head 1825 Bloxham agric lab Ann wife 1826 Enstone Emanuel son 1849 Enstone Geffrey son 1848 Enstone Uleuah Elzh dau 1850 (3 mths) Clevely Also the name appears at Burford HO 107 1731 fol 743 p9 with niece BRYAN Monmouth and Glos Regards Kind Soul in thanks for what others have done for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:53 AM Subject: [BAN] Titcomb (or similar) > Could some very kind soul have a look for any Titcomb's in the 1851 Census > for Enstone please? > I am looking for an address, and any other persons who may be living there > at the time. > Thank you, > > > Ian X > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from > your favourite artists. Find out more at > http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. > Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at > http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rosemary, I sent you a letter asking just what you wanted re-my book, for the Banburyshire web page, I didn't hear back. The title is "Aynhoe Village Life. The Way it Was - Then -Before - and Beyond". It is available now by going to www.Lulu.com then in search just put in Aynhoe, if you then click on the cover, more info what comes up additionally is an option to also preview the book, through to the end of the 1st chapter. Price for book is £8.95 download £3.75. In 6-8 weeks it should be available through Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Borders; after that in bookstores. Is that what you needed? Dawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Probert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: [BAN] Prevention is better than cure > When was the last time you backed up your family history data? > > Why not do it *now* > > > Rosemary > > Northumberland UK > Email: [email protected] > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. > Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at > http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When was the last time you backed up your family history data? Why not do it *now* Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: [email protected] Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thank you Rod and all others who have answered. I think it is Maria who I am looking into for someone else. She was a glover(ess) and I was trying to find out where she worked. Charlbury, Woodstock and Chippy were all glovemaking centres, and I was trying to work out where she might have worked. It is of course possible, that she was an outworker. My Gran and Mum both did outwork for the Charlbury factory. Poor pay, but it kept Gran in fags until the day she died! The other possibility is that she walked to work. 5 miles was nothing in those days. You can still get Woodstock gloves - Made in China! It seems that not many people wear gloves these days. Is it because we jump on the bus or in the car? Ian -----Original Message----- From: Rod Wise <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10.05am Subject: Re: [BAN] Titcomb (or similar) Titcombe all living Enstone 1851 HO 107 1732 fol 570 p 10 Household 22 Caleb son 1841 Enstone agricul boy Edward son 1835 Enstone Eli son 1830 Enstone agric lab Elijah son 1839 Enstone agricul boy John son 1827 Enstone agric lab Keziah wife 1796 Bloxham agric lab Maria dau 1832 Enstone Glooriss? Richard head 1801 Enstone pauper, agric lab Household 34 James head 1825 Bloxham agric lab Ann wife 1826 Enstone Emanuel son 1849 Enstone Geffrey son 1848 Enstone Uleuah Elzh dau 1850 (3 mths) Clevely Also the name appears at Burford HO 107 1731 fol 743 p9 with niece BRYAN Monmouth and Glos Regards Kind Soul in thanks for what others have done for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:53 AM Subject: [BAN] Titcomb (or similar) > Could some very kind soul have a look for any Titcomb's in the 1851 Census > for Enstone please? > I am looking for an address, and any other persons who may be living there > at the time. > Thank you, > > > Ian X > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and > store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from > your favourite artists. Find out more at > http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. > Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at > http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Thanks Jon, Rhoda and everyone else who has come up with info. I shall certainly take a look in the Adderbury cemetery next time I'm in the area. Jon, I think I see the Elizabeth Pottinger, son of John and Sarah (surname unknown), married to John Fardon. She did indeed have a brother named George - who would be 'my George' if what I'm looking at is correct. He was married to Elizabeth James though. George and Elizabeth Pottinger did also have a sister named Mary, b. 1693. I don't have a marriage for her yet. I don't have any occupations for the early Pottingers yet either. No wills online at the moment, so will have to see what time in Oxford turns up. Jenna :-) On 28 Aug 2007, at 21:00, [email protected] wrote: > Jenna > > I too thought that "breaking the ground" might have been a winter > thing but in Deddington they got it all the year round. Also, if it > had been a frost thing I would have expected it to happen at several > burials in a row but it doesn't, and it's pretty infrequent. > > The Fardons of Deddington were clockmakers and Quakers in the 18th > century as were the Gilkes and Knibbs. > > I have a lot of Fardon Information from Peter Fewson who has > researched them in depth: > > John Fardon born 1700, died 1744 married Elizabeth Pottinger (daughter > of John) in Adderbury 2/8/1731 and at the Quaker Meeting House > Banbury. Elizabeth soon died and he then married Mary Cox in 1735 in > the Banbury Meeting House. > > I have a copy of John's will, 1744. In it he leaves bequests "to my > loving brother -in-law George Pottinger of the west side of Adderbury > ?10. And to my sister-in-law Mary Pottinger of the west side of > Adderbury ?10. To Thomas Gilkes of Sibford Gower, with whom I served > my apprenticship, ?5." (I don't know if George and Mary are brother > and sister of John's first wife Elizabeth or husband and and wife. > > At his death John had a mortage of ?100 on a quarter land owned by his > brother in law George Pottinger of Adderbury West. >

There is a book published by Banbury Historical Society by C.F.C. Beeson Clockmaking in Oxfordshire 1962 Referance Library should have one He did a lot of research on the Clockmakers mostly quakers i will see what I can find when I have more time he lived in Adderbury his collection mostly Adderbury Clocks is in a little room in the science museum at Oxford. I did hear that the book had been republished Rhoda

Hi Ian, Since you mention walking to work ... it may help to know that in 1851 Richard and family are in "Village of Clevely" in the Parish of Enstone, Ecclesiastical District of Enstone [page 6, stamped "568" at upper right. This image reproduced on Ancestry includes the actual 1851 census page above the Public Record Office identifier and the numbers "HO 107 /1732 - 162/2b"]. There are no street names. The Richard TITCOMBE household is number 22 of 48 recorded on 15 pages. The enumerator notes "one house uninhabited" (page 15/conclusion). Here's a bit of trivia...Page 14 is stamped "572" at upper right; page 15 is unstamped and page 16's stamp ("Village of Radford") is "573". Over and out! Best wishes, Frances >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:55:30 -0400 >From: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [BAN] Titcomb (or similar) > >Thank you Rod and all others who have answered. I think it is Maria >who I am looking into for someone else. She was a glover(ess) and I >was trying to find out where she worked. Charlbury, Woodstock and >Chippy were all glovemaking centres, and I was trying to work out >where she might have worked. It is of course possible, that she was >an outworker. My Gran and Mum both did outwork for the Charlbury >factory. Poor pay, but it kept Gran in fags until the day she died! >The other possibility is that she walked to work. 5 miles was >nothing in those days. >You can still get Woodstock gloves - Made in China! >It seems that not many people wear gloves these days. Is it because >we jump on the bus or in the car? >Ian >

Jenna I too thought that "breaking the ground" might have been a winter thing but in Deddington they got it all the year round. Also, if it had been a frost thing I would have expected it to happen at several burials in a row but it doesn't, and it's pretty infrequent. The Fardons of Deddington were clockmakers and Quakers in the 18th century as were the Gilkes and Knibbs. I have a lot of Fardon Information from Peter Fewson who has researched them in depth: John Fardon born 1700, died 1744 married Elizabeth Pottinger (daughter of John) in Adderbury 2/8/1731 and at the Quaker Meeting House Banbury. Elizabeth soon died and he then married Mary Cox in 1735 in the Banbury Meeting House. I have a copy of John's will, 1744. In it he leaves bequests "to my loving brother -in-law George Pottinger of the west side of Adderbury £10. And to my sister-in-law Mary Pottinger of the west side of Adderbury £10. To Thomas Gilkes of Sibford Gower, with whom I served my apprenticship, £5." (I don't know if George and Mary are brother and sister of John's first wife Elizabeth or husband and and wife. At his death John had a mortage of £100 on a quarter land owned by his brother in law George Pottinger of Adderbury West. Jon Malings County Wexford, Ireland> From: [email protected]> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:25:17 +0100> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [BAN] POTTINGER, JAMES, WALTER and many others in Adderbury> > Thanks for all the suggestions - I shall have to get that Adderbury > book. I was looking at it in the Banbury TIC (I'm pretty sure it was > that one), scanning for names etc., but I wasn't looking for all of > these names then. Still, at least I know where I can get it next time > I'm there.> > I noticed the fees for breaking the ground too! But I thought at the > time that it seemed to be a winter thing...I wondered if the > gravediggers required a premium for work during the snowy/icy times, > but I'm probably way off there!> > Here's another question though. There's another cemetery in Adderbury > isn't there? Is that the Quaker burial ground? Seperate from the > church, you cross over the stream and follow the road toward Milton, > but long before you reach the junction there's a gate house. I've said > I'd look there for a while, but not got round to it yet.> > Would the OFHS CD containing the Banbury Quaker house records be a wise > purchase now too I wonder?> > I have to admit I know next to nothing about the Quakers. My 9 y-o > son's input when I mentioned the possible connection was to ask if we'd > get free oats then?!? The newly refurbished library has just opened > where we live, I think he should be directed to an appropriate book > about the Quakers if they have one....> > So far, I see Pottingers marrying those named: JAMES, WHITLEY, > RICHARDS, AUSTIN, WEST, SMITH, PITCHER, WYATT, GILKS, PRIEST, ARIS, > GARDNER and I stumbled over a reference to an Elizabeth marrying a John > FARDEN in the Banbury Quaker House, as well as references on the > Deddington website to the clock maker John Farden having a sister in > law named Mary Pottinger. Not knowing how prolific the name is > elsewhere in the county, I cannot tell how or if these are relevant.> > WALTERS marrying in Adderbury covers a wider time span, but they > married (among many others) BEASLEY (not in Adderbury), FLINT, GARDNER, > BELCHER, SWIFT, CHILTON, BETTS> > Jenna :-)> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated.> Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at> http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ian, Here are the only TITCOMBEs listed in OFHS 1851 Census for Chipping Norton Union. 1851 Clevely Census HO 107/1732 folio 568 #22 TITCOMBE Richard HD m 50 Pauper Ag Lab OXF Enstone " Keziah WI m 55 " Bloxham " John SO u 24 Ag Lab " Enstone " Eli SO u 21 " " " " " Maria DA u 19 Gloveress " " " Edward SO u 16 Ag Lab " " " Elijah SO 12 Ag Boy " " " Caleb SO 10 " " " " folio 570 # 34 TITCOMBE James HD m 26 Ag Lab OXF Bloxham " Ann WI m 25 " Enstone " Geffrey SO 3 " " " Emanuel SO 2 " " " Ulenah Eliz DA 3m " Clevely HTH, Bill Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: [BAN] Titcomb (or similar) > Could some very kind soul have a look for any Titcomb's in the 1851 Census > for Enstone please? > I am looking for an address, and any other persons who may be living there > at the time. > Thank you, > > > Ian X

Sorry I meant they are very small only maybe just nine inches pointed at the top some are stone but most metal some are still readable they were not supposed to have anything very grand although the last Quaker to be buried was Miss Buck and she had a normal gravestone. They only hold one meeting a year in the meeting house the gallery is not safe but some of the benches are there. There was a miniture cooking range up in the gallery as far as I know it is still there but cannot be seen through the windows but it is possible to see the downstairs through the windows. Rhoda

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What are auster memorials please? Barbara On 28-Aug-07, at 10:59 AM, [email protected] wrote: > The churchyard is next to the Church where the older burials are . The > Cemetary is on a long lease from the Quakers as the Adderbry > Churchayard was > fulll. The old Quaker meeting house is inside the cemetary gates > also very small > auster memorials of stone and metal for the quakers as that was > their custom > just inside the gates hope this helps Rhoda > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been > updated. > Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at > http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The churchyard is next to the Church where the older burials are . The Cemetary is on a long lease from the Quakers as the Adderbry Churchayard was fulll. The old Quaker meeting house is inside the cemetary gates also very small auster memorials of stone and metal for the quakers as that was their custom just inside the gates hope this helps Rhoda

Thanks for all the suggestions - I shall have to get that Adderbury book. I was looking at it in the Banbury TIC (I'm pretty sure it was that one), scanning for names etc., but I wasn't looking for all of these names then. Still, at least I know where I can get it next time I'm there. I noticed the fees for breaking the ground too! But I thought at the time that it seemed to be a winter thing...I wondered if the gravediggers required a premium for work during the snowy/icy times, but I'm probably way off there! Here's another question though. There's another cemetery in Adderbury isn't there? Is that the Quaker burial ground? Seperate from the church, you cross over the stream and follow the road toward Milton, but long before you reach the junction there's a gate house. I've said I'd look there for a while, but not got round to it yet. Would the OFHS CD containing the Banbury Quaker house records be a wise purchase now too I wonder? I have to admit I know next to nothing about the Quakers. My 9 y-o son's input when I mentioned the possible connection was to ask if we'd get free oats then?!? The newly refurbished library has just opened where we live, I think he should be directed to an appropriate book about the Quakers if they have one.... So far, I see Pottingers marrying those named: JAMES, WHITLEY, RICHARDS, AUSTIN, WEST, SMITH, PITCHER, WYATT, GILKS, PRIEST, ARIS, GARDNER and I stumbled over a reference to an Elizabeth marrying a John FARDEN in the Banbury Quaker House, as well as references on the Deddington website to the clock maker John Farden having a sister in law named Mary Pottinger. Not knowing how prolific the name is elsewhere in the county, I cannot tell how or if these are relevant. WALTERS marrying in Adderbury covers a wider time span, but they married (among many others) BEASLEY (not in Adderbury), FLINT, GARDNER, BELCHER, SWIFT, CHILTON, BETTS Jenna :-)

Thanks to everyone with help on Selina Randle (Randall) and her entry in the 1871 census. Thanks to Geoff for advising on the features of Ancestry that I had missed. It's an interesting debate about Neithrop. Certainly looking at the Old-Maps link that was posted, Neithrop seems to be in the area described by the 1871 census (map is 1880's), whilst Boxhedge road is a little way off, unless Neithrop had extended to there or vice versa. Regards Neil ----- Original Message ---- From: Angela Allen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 27 August, 2007 8:37:47 PM Subject: [BAN] Neithrop, Oxon + 1871 Census RootsWeb: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L Re: [BAN] Neithrop, Oxon + 1871 CensusHi all, The below mail can be found in Banbury archives. Jack Steer is an ex Mayor & councillor of Banbury - his opinion may help some. Locals tend to think of 'Neithrop' as being Warwick rd, Ruscote area of town. Non locals often feel it is/was a seperate village/hamlet to the town. I've lived here all my life & the varying parameters of where Neithrop did/does cover still confuses me! Angela co-admin From: "jack steer" < > Subject: Re: [BAN] Neithrop, Oxon + 1871 Census Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:37:23 +0100 Neithrop is one of those strange spots that one finds occasionally. It has only been part of the borough of Banbury since 1889. So referring to a modern map is slightly confusing. Neithrop has never been a civil parish nor I think an ecclesiastical one. Nor have I ever seen it described as a village, rather a hamlet with a few farmhouses. The map I have shewing the parish of St Mary's, Banbury in the middle ages includes Neithrop field to the North West of the town. As far as I can judge this would have covered the area which is bounded nowadays by Broughton Road and Southam Road almost as far as the existing town boundary. Although there were farmhouses in the area the only collection of buildings that formed the hamlet of Neithrop appear to have been centred on Boxhedge Square (from memory each corner of the square had a pub until the sixties at least). The nearest streets today would be Union Street and Boxhedge Road, both to the West of Warwick Road. The oldest remaining buildings are in Boxhedge Road with some nice seventeenth century houses. Neithrop was brought within the Banbury Borough boundary by an Order in Council signed on 16.7.1889. Grimsbury on the Eastern side of the town was transferred from Northamptonshire at the same time. However the definition of a nice and tidy boundary for Neithrop would be a jolly good topic for a PhD thesis and I doubt that whoever did it would come to any tidy conclusion. The name appears to have been used somewhat indiscriminately in records for the sake of convenience, particularly from about 1820. For example the Calthorpe area which was an ancient manor and appears regularly in St Mary's PR was included in the enumeration district of Neithrop for some (at least) of the nineteenth century censuses. Until Neithrop was brought under the Borough the two parts had different police forces/constables with each being limited to its own area. Unsurprisingly the hamlet of Neithrop did not have much in terms of law enforcement and it is alleged that locals who were less than law abiding tended to move to Neithrop. On 23.11.1819 the Neithrop Association for the Protection of Person and Property was formed to remedy the situation. This body hired a night watchman who would keep an eye open for wrong doers who were invading the property of the association's members. It also offered rewards for the conviction of offenders on a sliding scale murder was worth 20.0.0, burglary 10.0.0 whilst stealing goods from a shop was only worth 3.0.0. and pulling wool from a sheep 1.0.0. The last time the Association became involved in a prosecution appears to have been in the early 1940s. Someone poached a rabbit. However it still meets for an AGM and what may best be described as a traditional dinner (it has been the same menu for at least 40 years) with a fair amount of beer. In my experience the AGM lasts about 90 seconds. Whilst a study of the area used by sundry bodies to define Neithrop would be interesting, I suspect that the conclusion would be imprecise and would vary depending on the period. Banbury's boundary was last changed in 2000 and this was only the latest of a very large number of changes. I think the answer for anyone looking for people who may have used Neithrop as an address at some point is to check all the PR and census records for the area of modern Banbury including Neithrop, Grimsbury, Christ Church and St Mary's and the non conformist registers for North Oxfordshire. They could be in any one of them. The degree of confusion for local residents continues to this day. The OCC electoral division of Neithrop is quite different to the Cherwell District Council ward that is given the same name. Regards, Jack Steer Neithrop Field, Banbury ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated. Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Several other options for "mortuary fees" (and incidentally, at a guess I don't think 18th century Adderbruy would have run to a physical mortuary, I think mortuary in this instance should be read as "after death" ). In North Aston 1784-94 burials are recorded as "Pauper" or "Paid" . There were 28 Pauper and only 7 paid! In Kiddington in 1791 they decided to introduce a payment of £1 1s 0d (a guinea) "to prevent the church being made a common burying place"..that's the inside of the church, not the yard. Deddinton parish records in the 18th century show several payments of 10s. or 6s 8d for erecting a monument or laying a stone on the grave. Also there are numerous payments of 6s 8d "for breaking the ground" (though why it only applies to about 10% of the burials is a puzzle to me...new grave rather than an existing family grave perhaps ?) and one of 13s 4d for burial in the church. Does anyone else get pleasure out of thinking about 6s 8d. ? Jon Malings County Wexford, Ireland > To: [email protected]> From: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:06:36 +0100> Subject: [BAN] POTTINGER, JAMES, WALTER and many others in Adderbury> > Hope those of you having a the bank holiday today are having a good > time!> > I've been on the trail of yet more connected families in Adderbury, > leaving me with several questions.> > The couple I started with is the marriage of Charles WLATER of > Adderbury to Elizabeth POTTINGER, in Winslow, Bucks. There are quite a > large number of Pottinger events recorded in Adderbury, which I have > looked at on the OFHS transcript CD. To me, it seems quite likely that > Elizabeth could also have been from Adderbury; if so, she was probably > the daughter of George Pottinger and Elizabeth (JAMES) b. 1743.> > A bit of looking around online suggests there may be a Quaker > connection with this Pottinger family - where do I go to find more > records for them in the right area? They seem present in Adderbury > from 1649 - it'd be a long shot, but it is possibe they could be > connected to another Pottinger family in Berkshire, though this is just > speculation right now.> > Quite a number of their burial entries at Adderbury indicate the > payment of 10 sillings to the mortuary. What is this about? There are > several entries showing this, not just in this family, but some of > those they married into and as yet related families...> > Going back to Elizabeth JAMES. She and George Pottinger were married > about 1734, and she is probably the daughter of Thomas JAMES from > Milton, if she is the same Elizabeth recorded as being bapt in 1702/3. > Again, there are quite a few James entries in the PRs, through the > 1600s and early 1700s, though, noteably, very few marriages. I > wondered if there could be a Quaker connection here too...speculation > again, I hasten to add.> > Does anyone have any information on these families? Anything to prove > or disprove my theories most welcome :-)> > Jenna> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> The online Northamptonshire marriage strays index has just been updated.> Now nearly 7,000 marriages are included. View them at> http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/northants%20strays.htm> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

RootsWeb: ENG-BANBURY-AREA-L Re: [BAN] Neithrop, Oxon + 1871 CensusHi all, The below mail can be found in Banbury archives. Jack Steer is an ex Mayor & councillor of Banbury - his opinion may help some. Locals tend to think of 'Neithrop' as being Warwick rd, Ruscote area of town. Non locals often feel it is/was a seperate village/hamlet to the town. I've lived here all my life & the varying parameters of where Neithrop did/does cover still confuses me! Angela co-admin From: "jack steer" < > Subject: Re: [BAN] Neithrop, Oxon + 1871 Census Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:37:23 +0100 Neithrop is one of those strange spots that one finds occasionally. It has only been part of the borough of Banbury since 1889. So referring to a modern map is slightly confusing. Neithrop has never been a civil parish nor I think an ecclesiastical one. Nor have I ever seen it described as a village, rather a hamlet with a few farmhouses. The map I have shewing the parish of St Mary's, Banbury in the middle ages includes Neithrop field to the North West of the town. As far as I can judge this would have covered the area which is bounded nowadays by Broughton Road and Southam Road almost as far as the existing town boundary. Although there were farmhouses in the area the only collection of buildings that formed the hamlet of Neithrop appear to have been centred on Boxhedge Square (from memory each corner of the square had a pub until the sixties at least). The nearest streets today would be Union Street and Boxhedge Road, both to the West of Warwick Road. The oldest remaining buildings are in Boxhedge Road with some nice seventeenth century houses. Neithrop was brought within the Banbury Borough boundary by an Order in Council signed on 16.7.1889. Grimsbury on the Eastern side of the town was transferred from Northamptonshire at the same time. However the definition of a nice and tidy boundary for Neithrop would be a jolly good topic for a PhD thesis and I doubt that whoever did it would come to any tidy conclusion. The name appears to have been used somewhat indiscriminately in records for the sake of convenience, particularly from about 1820. For example the Calthorpe area which was an ancient manor and appears regularly in St Mary's PR was included in the enumeration district of Neithrop for some (at least) of the nineteenth century censuses. Until Neithrop was brought under the Borough the two parts had different police forces/constables with each being limited to its own area. Unsurprisingly the hamlet of Neithrop did not have much in terms of law enforcement and it is alleged that locals who were less than law abiding tended to move to Neithrop. On 23.11.1819 the Neithrop Association for the Protection of Person and Property was formed to remedy the situation. This body hired a night watchman who would keep an eye open for wrong doers who were invading the property of the association's members. It also offered rewards for the conviction of offenders on a sliding scale murder was worth 20.0.0, burglary 10.0.0 whilst stealing goods from a shop was only worth 3.0.0. and pulling wool from a sheep 1.0.0. The last time the Association became involved in a prosecution appears to have been in the early 1940s. Someone poached a rabbit. However it still meets for an AGM and what may best be described as a traditional dinner (it has been the same menu for at least 40 years) with a fair amount of beer. In my experience the AGM lasts about 90 seconds. Whilst a study of the area used by sundry bodies to define Neithrop would be interesting, I suspect that the conclusion would be imprecise and would vary depending on the period. Banbury's boundary was last changed in 2000 and this was only the latest of a very large number of changes. I think the answer for anyone looking for people who may have used Neithrop as an address at some point is to check all the PR and census records for the area of modern Banbury including Neithrop, Grimsbury, Christ Church and St Mary's and the non conformist registers for North Oxfordshire. They could be in any one of them. The degree of confusion for local residents continues to this day. The OCC electoral division of Neithrop is quite different to the Cherwell District Council ward that is given the same name. Regards, Jack Steer Neithrop Field, Banbury

Hi Jenna, all I exchanged the very same thoughts a few weeks back with someone else Jenna! - it does not provide positive proof of anything - but 'tis strange many of the burials in Adderbury parish records that state ' paid 10s to mortuary' are usually alongside 'known to have been' quaker surnames. Strange also many of the '10s' surnames can't be traced in parish bap/marriage regs. I'm interested in Aris/Gardner/Wheeler/Colegrave from Adderbury - all these names have noted against their burial entry 'paid 10s'. You really need to read the whole chapter 'Conformity & Nonconformity' in the book 'Adderbury A Thousand Years' to achieve a more concise overview of Quakerism in the area - but heres a snippet...... *The Adderbury Quakers who were constantly fined for attending meetings in Adderbury or Banbury were Baylis, Barrett, Poultney, Treppas, Aris, Gardner. Other constant offenders attending meetings & refusing to take oaths were .. Stow, Gilkes, Halls/Halks, King, Trafford, Robinson & Pottinger* BW Angela co admin > I've been on the trail of yet more connected families in Adderbury, > leaving me with several questions. > > A bit of looking around online suggests there may be a Quaker > connection with this Pottinger family - where do I go to find more > records for them in the right area? They seem present in Adderbury > from 1649 - it'd be a long shot, but it is possibe they could be > connected to another Pottinger family in Berkshire, though this is just > speculation right now. > > Quite a number of their burial entries at Adderbury indicate the > payment of 10 sillings to the mortuary. What is this about? There are > several entries showing this, not just in this family, but some of > those they married into and as yet related families... > > Does anyone have any information on these families? Anything to prove > or disprove my theories most welcome :-) > > Jenna

Thanks I have a copy of Adderbury a Thousand years in fact I contributed to it my name is in the list. these things are just one of the mysteries of a byegone age and quakers did have a differant way of life but would have been buried in what now is the cemetary and probably had their own service in the quaaker Chapel also housed in the cemetary they are in the parish records often referred to as one of those people called Quakers. I got quite fond of the Pottingers I came across so many. I have copies of most and they are in our library.so if you have any queries Rhoda.