I have no obvious?photos of 'The Ship Inn'. Does anyone know exactly where it was in Cowfair, as I have a lot of the general area? Yours, Ian -----Original Message----- From: irhuckin@aol.com To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:42 Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS Just a bit more info: Fish St is now George St, and there is still a Wheatsheaf pub there. Buck and Bell was where the Jai Pur Restaurant is now. It moved into North Bar and later became just 'The Buck'. Hit by the recession, it has now closed down for the foreseeable future. Cowfair is the area outside of the Town Hall and Marks & Spencer. There are lots of photos of that area, so someone may be able to track down one of 'The Ship'. I have no idea where it was. I will check my photos for any. Yours, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Banbury <Banbury@westnet.com.au> To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:56 Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS From "The licensees of Inns etc Banbury", Vera Wood OFHS SHIP Cow Fair 95 High Street c 1830-1839 the licensee was Jonathan Adams. others are listed up until 1871- Incidentally from the index Alfred Hopcraft Wheatsheaf 1859-1864 Scalding Lane 68 Fish St demolished 1961 John Hopcraft Buck and Bell 1879-1883 39 Parsons Lane, but since 1935 in North Bar Still open 1998 Rod Wise www.members.westnet.com.au/banbury ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Malings" <jon_malings@hotmail.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS > > Given all this hot weather (in Ireland at least) it's quite appropriate to > think about Pubs...and what wouldn't I give for a nice pint of Brains or > Wadsworths. > > > I have a copy of the Will of John HOPCRAFT of Deddington, written 1833, > proved 1835. In it he mentions that he owns The Ship public house in > Banbury which he is leasing to Jonathan ADAMS. > > > > Does anyone know anything about The Ship? Where was/is it ? > > > > Jon Malings > > County Wexford, Ireland > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Not sure if this helps regarding the location: In the book The History of Banbury by Alfred Beesley there is a note regarding charity collections and it says 'from a corner house in Red Lion street (High Street), the property of John Hopcraft, being the Ship Inn then occupied by John Adams' ----- Original Message ----- From: <irhuckin@aol.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS >I have no obvious?photos of 'The Ship Inn'. > Does anyone know exactly where it was in Cowfair, as I have a lot of the > general area? > Yours, > > > Ian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irhuckin@aol.com > To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:42 > Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS > > > > > Just a bit more info: > > Fish St is now George St, and there is still a Wheatsheaf pub there. > > Buck and Bell was where the Jai Pur Restaurant is now. It moved into North > Bar > and later became just 'The Buck'. Hit by the recession, it has now closed > down > for the foreseeable future. > > Cowfair is the area outside of the Town Hall and Marks & Spencer. There > are lots > of photos of that area, so someone may be able to track down one of 'The > Ship'. > I have no idea where it was. > I will check my photos for any. > Yours, > > > Ian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Banbury <Banbury@westnet.com.au> > To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:56 > Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS > > > > > From > "The licensees of Inns etc Banbury", Vera Wood OFHS > SHIP Cow Fair 95 High Street > c 1830-1839 the licensee was Jonathan Adams. > others are listed up until 1871- > Incidentally from the index > Alfred Hopcraft Wheatsheaf 1859-1864 > Scalding Lane 68 Fish St demolished 1961 > John Hopcraft Buck and Bell 1879-1883 > 39 Parsons Lane, but since 1935 in North Bar Still open 1998 > Rod Wise > www.members.westnet.com.au/banbury > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Malings" <jon_malings@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:37 AM > Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS > > >> >> Given all this hot weather (in Ireland at least) it's quite appropriate >> to >> think about Pubs...and what wouldn't I give for a nice pint of Brains or >> Wadsworths. >> >> >> I have a copy of the Will of John HOPCRAFT of Deddington, written 1833, >> proved 1835. In it he mentions that he owns The Ship public house in >> Banbury which he is leasing to Jonathan ADAMS. >> >> >> >> Does anyone know anything about The Ship? Where was/is it ? >> >> >> >> Jon Malings >> >> County Wexford, Ireland >> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request > @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign > up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just a bit more info: Fish St is now George St, and there is still a Wheatsheaf pub there. Buck and Bell was where the Jai Pur Restaurant is now. It moved into North Bar and later became just 'The Buck'. Hit by the recession, it has now closed down for the foreseeable future. Cowfair is the area outside of the Town Hall and Marks & Spencer. There are lots of photos of that area, so someone may be able to track down one of 'The Ship'. I have no idea where it was. I will check my photos for any. Yours, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Banbury <Banbury@westnet.com.au> To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:56 Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS From "The licensees of Inns etc Banbury", Vera Wood OFHS SHIP Cow Fair 95 High Street c 1830-1839 the licensee was Jonathan Adams. others are listed up until 1871- Incidentally from the index Alfred Hopcraft Wheatsheaf 1859-1864 Scalding Lane 68 Fish St demolished 1961 John Hopcraft Buck and Bell 1879-1883 39 Parsons Lane, but since 1935 in North Bar Still open 1998 Rod Wise www.members.westnet.com.au/banbury ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Malings" <jon_malings@hotmail.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS > > Given all this hot weather (in Ireland at least) it's quite appropriate to > think about Pubs...and what wouldn't I give for a nice pint of Brains or > Wadsworths. > > > I have a copy of the Will of John HOPCRAFT of Deddington, written 1833, > proved 1835. In it he mentions that he owns The Ship public house in > Banbury which he is leasing to Jonathan ADAMS. > > > > Does anyone know anything about The Ship? Where was/is it ? > > > > Jon Malings > > County Wexford, Ireland > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

From "The licensees of Inns etc Banbury", Vera Wood OFHS SHIP Cow Fair 95 High Street c 1830-1839 the licensee was Jonathan Adams. others are listed up until 1871- Incidentally from the index Alfred Hopcraft Wheatsheaf 1859-1864 Scalding Lane 68 Fish St demolished 1961 John Hopcraft Buck and Bell 1879-1883 39 Parsons Lane, but since 1935 in North Bar Still open 1998 Rod Wise www.members.westnet.com.au/banbury ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Malings" <jon_malings@hotmail.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS > > Given all this hot weather (in Ireland at least) it's quite appropriate to > think about Pubs...and what wouldn't I give for a nice pint of Brains or > Wadsworths. > > > I have a copy of the Will of John HOPCRAFT of Deddington, written 1833, > proved 1835. In it he mentions that he owns The Ship public house in > Banbury which he is leasing to Jonathan ADAMS. > > > > Does anyone know anything about The Ship? Where was/is it ? > > > > Jon Malings > > County Wexford, Ireland > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Given all this hot weather (in Ireland at least) it's quite appropriate to think about Pubs...and what wouldn't I give for a nice pint of Brains or Wadsworths. I have a copy of the Will of John HOPCRAFT of Deddington, written 1833, proved 1835. In it he mentions that he owns The Ship public house in Banbury which he is leasing to Jonathan ADAMS. Does anyone know anything about The Ship? Where was/is it ? Jon Malings County Wexford, Ireland

For what it's work my husband a blacksmith and boilermaker trained in the 1950's has explained to me that in the early 1900's engineering tasks were very specific eg. a driller drilled holes, a riveter had an assistant to heat the rivets to white hot (very important the color past red hot) ready for insertion by the rivetter in the pre drilled holes etc. So I support the engineering theory. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M HOWES" <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] What was a driller in... http://www.halarose.co.uk/blue/p_SIR_BERNHARD_SAMUELSON.html --- On Mon, 22/6/09, M HOWES <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> wrote: From: M HOWES <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [BAN] What was a driller in... To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 22 June, 2009, 10:38 PM

http://www.halarose.co.uk/blue/p_SIR_BERNHARD_SAMUELSON.html --- On Mon, 22/6/09, M HOWES <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> wrote: From: M HOWES <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [BAN] What was a driller in... To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 22 June, 2009, 10:38 PM He cld have worked for Samuelsons, ie engineering, he could have been a well driller, he cld have been an ag lab, operating a drilling machine, he cld have been a driller at the ironstone quarries !!!     All possibilities worth thinking about - I'd go for Samuelson's  !!   --- On Mon, 22/6/09, rosalind <rosalind@jmb3400.plus.com> wrote: From: rosalind <rosalind@jmb3400.plus.com> Subject: Re: [BAN] What was a driller in... To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 22 June, 2009, 9:47 PM Oh , all right , then ! Percy Thomas Roberts ch 05/07/1889 Banbury of  Thomas , blacksmith b. 14/05/1852 & Emily Owen ch 24/10/1854 Chippie : he is NOT the Percy found in 1911 with widowed mother  Maryanne - that's his cousin , also a Percy , ch 1891 . He marries  Edith Annie White in Banbury 25/04/1908 . I think they then have a child , James b1909 . He probably fights in WW1 with Bucks & Oxon Regt. In 1911 , his parents are at home in Banbury with youngest children . ( 5 Upper Windsor St.) Kind regards , Rosalind . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] What was a driller in... > Go on Rosalind > > Gis' a clue then <g> > > Let us know who he is with any details known (birthplace and year, father > etc) > > You never know we might be able to dig him out of his hidey hole <g> > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Nivard , >> No , I have failed to find him in 1911, so I've no clues : his father was >> a >> blacksmith , and brothers were drapery asst. and cabinet polisher . >> Regards , >> Rosalind ... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh , all right , then ! Percy Thomas Roberts ch 05/07/1889 Banbury of Thomas , blacksmith b. 14/05/1852 & Emily Owen ch 24/10/1854 Chippie : he is NOT the Percy found in 1911 with widowed mother Maryanne - that's his cousin , also a Percy , ch 1891 . He marries Edith Annie White in Banbury 25/04/1908 . I think they then have a child , James b1909 . He probably fights in WW1 with Bucks & Oxon Regt. In 1911 , his parents are at home in Banbury with youngest children . ( 5 Upper Windsor St.) Kind regards , Rosalind . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] What was a driller in... > Go on Rosalind > > Gis' a clue then <g> > > Let us know who he is with any details known (birthplace and year, father > etc) > > You never know we might be able to dig him out of his hidey hole <g> > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Nivard , >> No , I have failed to find him in 1911, so I've no clues : his father was >> a >> blacksmith , and brothers were drapery asst. and cabinet polisher . >> Regards , >> Rosalind ... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

He cld have worked for Samuelsons, ie engineering, he could have been a well driller, he cld have been an ag lab, operating a drilling machine, he cld have been a driller at the ironstone quarries !!!     All possibilities worth thinking about - I'd go for Samuelson's  !!   --- On Mon, 22/6/09, rosalind <rosalind@jmb3400.plus.com> wrote: From: rosalind <rosalind@jmb3400.plus.com> Subject: Re: [BAN] What was a driller in... To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 22 June, 2009, 9:47 PM Oh , all right , then ! Percy Thomas Roberts ch 05/07/1889 Banbury of  Thomas , blacksmith b. 14/05/1852 & Emily Owen ch 24/10/1854 Chippie : he is NOT the Percy found in 1911 with widowed mother  Maryanne - that's his cousin , also a Percy , ch 1891 . He marries  Edith Annie White in Banbury 25/04/1908 . I think they then have a child , James b1909 . He probably fights in WW1 with Bucks & Oxon Regt. In 1911 , his parents are at home in Banbury with youngest children . ( 5 Upper Windsor St.) Kind regards , Rosalind . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] What was a driller in... > Go on Rosalind > > Gis' a clue then <g> > > Let us know who he is with any details known (birthplace and year, father > etc) > > You never know we might be able to dig him out of his hidey hole <g> > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Nivard , >> No , I have failed to find him in 1911, so I've no clues : his father was >> a >> blacksmith , and brothers were drapery asst. and cabinet polisher . >> Regards , >> Rosalind ... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In days of yore when we had a strong manufacturing industry, we employed people to work on drilling machines and we called them Drillers. I suspect that there were thousands of other drillers in mines and in civil engineering but as the other siblings are in a semi-skilled occupation I submit that he worked in engineering Michael Allbrook Nivard , No, I have failed to find him in 1911, so I've no clues: his father was a blacksmith and brothers were drapery asst. and cabinet polisher. Regards , Rosalind ...

Go on Rosalind Gis' a clue then <g> Let us know who he is with any details known (birthplace and year, father etc) You never know we might be able to dig him out of his hidey hole <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard , > No , I have failed to find him in 1911, so I've no clues : his father was > a > blacksmith , and brothers were drapery asst. and cabinet polisher . > Regards , > Rosalind ...

Nivard , No , I have failed to find him in 1911, so I've no clues : his father was a blacksmith , and brothers were drapery asst. and cabinet polisher . Regards , Rosalind ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] What was a driller in... > Hi Rosalind > > It could be several things, have you found him in 1901 or before, what was > his occupation then? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Dear Listers , >> Can anyone hazard a guess as to what a " driller " might have been ? This >> is given as the profession on my male relatives' marriage certificate , >> in >> Banbury 1908 . >> Thank you ! >> Rosalind ..... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Rosalind It could be several things, have you found him in 1901 or before, what was his occupation then? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Dear Listers , > Can anyone hazard a guess as to what a " driller " might have been ? This > is given as the profession on my male relatives' marriage certificate , in > Banbury 1908 . > Thank you ! > Rosalind .....

Dear Listers , Can anyone hazard a guess as to what a " driller " might have been ? This is given as the profession on my male relatives' marriage certificate , in Banbury 1908 . Thank you ! Rosalind .....

Hi Nivard I am still not fully aware of protocol in responding so hope I am not breaching ethics of the eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Last August you emailed me information re 1861 UK Census and Richard Randell, Charlotte Randell and Ephraim. At the time I thought Ephraim wasn't a family name and put it aside. Just recently I got Ephraim's birth certificate and lo and behold his parents were Richard Randle and Ann Gibbs, more importantly they lived at of Blue Pig Yard, Banbury - the same address as Richard was in the 1851 censu. Jackpot, so thank you. In the process of exploring options I have a UK Marriage Cert and a Birth Cert. that aren't mine - I am happy to provide them to someone can you help - will mail to UK (I am in Australia). Cheers Elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth You are most welcome, glad to have been of help to you The only thing missing from your post is perhaps a subject line, this can be important as some do not read all posts and might delete ones that don't interest them, it also keeps the posts on one subject threaded together in the archives (if you are not aware all posts are archived and searchable) Regarding your excess certificate, there are some sites that seek to accumulate the details from certificates ordered in error, I am unsure how effective they are as most people don't seem to know they exist and as there are so many events, you would be very lucky to find one of your own I would say One way of effectively sharing the information is to add a postem to the entry in freebmd, anyone finding the postem would see the details and if you also include an email address (perhaps a throw away address) they could then contact you and a swap could take place but essentially its the information people want See http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/postems-help.html Do post again if you have any further queries on your Banbury links Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard > I am still not fully aware of protocol in responding so hope I am not > breaching ethics of the eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com > Last August you emailed me information re 1861 UK Census and Richard > Randell, Charlotte Randell and Ephraim. > At the time I thought Ephraim wasn't a family name and put it aside. Just > recently I got Ephraim's birth certificate and lo and behold his parents > were Richard Randle and Ann Gibbs, more importantly they lived at of Blue > Pig Yard, Banbury - the same address as Richard was in the 1851 censu. > Jackpot, so thank you. > In the process of exploring options I have a UK Marriage Cert and a Birth > Cert. that aren't mine - I am happy to provide them to someone can you > help - will mail to UK (I am in Australia). > > Cheers Elizabeth

Nivard , I've just bought the 1911 page , and Percy is single , living as " son " of widow who is actually his Aunty ! Thank you !!!! These relatives don't half invent their own stories , don't they ? I'm not sure in this freedom of information age , whether the same can be done now . Ros ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] Bucks Regimnt records > Hi Rosalind > > My question was based on the possibility that a man I had found in the WW1 > medal cards who was a Percy J ROBERTS may be your man, having found your > man > with parents in 1901 it looked like he had the middle initial as J, there > were only two Percy ROBERTS in the medal cards who served in the Ox & > Bucks, > one being a Percy J, the other Percy C (that is of course based on your > mums > anecdote being correct) > > Having found him in 1891 with parents I would say his middle initial is > actually T, I wonder if thats for TYE like his brother Benjamin ? > > There is one Percy ROBERTS born Banbury in the 1911 census but without > buying the transcript or page its hard to know what his marital status > was, > do you have that? > > There are many Percy ROBERTS listed in the medal cards which give little > detail so hard to work out which might be yours > > I do not see an obvious Percy ROBERTS in the service records so far > available on Ancestry > > Ancestry are making available the surviving service records but are only > up > to the letter N so far , so its possible his still exist and may yet be > found, he does not seem to appear in the so called pension records > > Service records give more detail and may identify him, although sadly only > approximately one third survived WW2 (ironically) > > The added problem is that he may not have used his middle initial so > identifying a marriage may also be a problem > > On that point have you seen his baptism or just a transcript, the original > of which may give his middle name ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Nivard , >> I've no idea how Bucks came into it - I just wrote down what Mum said ! >> I have no second name for him at baptism , though he might have gained >> one >> later , I guess . >> Regards , >> Rosalind . > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Angela , Many thanks , and , yes , those are his parents . Kind regards , Rosalind . ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANGELA ALLEN" <angela.allen72@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: [BAN] ROBERTS Oxon & Bucks > Do you have info on Thomas Percy's parents? > > Banns read at Christchurch Banbury South Nov 26/Dec3/10 1871 > Thomas Roberts, bach otp & Emily Owen, spin of Chipping Norton > > Married @ Chipping Norton 24/12/1871 > Thomas Roberts, 20, bach, blacksmith of Banbury, so James blacksmith & > Emily Owen, 18 spin, factory hand, do Benj., labr. > Wit; John Roberts & Ellen Margaret Jackson > > The 1908 marriage that Janet gave in vol 3a - if WILLIAMS that could well > be > at Middleton Cheney. > Lots of Williams there. > Christchurch covered an area that folks from > Grimsbury/Middleton/Warkworth/Overthorpe (N'hants) would of used as their > church other than use their smaller parish church. > > Angela > > > >> It looks as if he was baptised Thomas Percy ROBERTS, see below: >> >> 5 July 1889 at Christchurch, South Banbury Thomas Percy ROBERTS son >> Thomas & Emily, 5 Windsor St, >> Smith >> >> Birth is registered according to FreeBMD as Thomas Percy ROBERTS June qtr >> 1889 at Banbury reg district, vol 3a, page 935. >> >> There is a marriage registration in the June qtr 1908 at Banbury reg >> district of a Thomas Percy ROBERTS, vol 3a, page 2162 to either an Edith >> Annie WHITE or a Rosette Mary WILLIAMS which could be relevant. >> >> Janet > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Janet , Yes , that is my Percy ! Thank you - I'll now try to find which is his marriage . Kind regards , Rosalind . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Booth" <janbooth@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] Bucks Regimnt records > Hello Rosalind, > > It looks as if he was baptised Thomas Percy ROBERTS, see below: > > 5 July 1889 at Christchurch, South Banbury Thomas Percy ROBERTS son > Thomas & Emily, 5 Windsor St, > Smith > > Birth is registered according to FreeBMD as Thomas Percy ROBERTS June qtr > 1889 at Banbury reg district, vol 3a, page 935. > > There is a marriage registration in the June qtr 1908 at Banbury reg > district of a Thomas Percy ROBERTS, vol 3a, page 2162 to either an Edith > Annie WHITE or a Rosette Mary WILLIAMS which could be relevant. > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rosalind" <rosalind@jmb3400.plus.com> > To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 6:37 PM > Subject: [BAN] Bucks Regimnt records > > >>I wonder if anyone can help me ? My relative , Percy Roberts ( born 1891 >>Banbury to blacksmith Thomas/Emily Roberts ) was in the Bucks Regiment ( >>is >>that the 1st.Bat. Ox & Bucks Regiment ? ) during WW2 and all I know is >>that >>he worked on the infamous Changi Railway . I have no other information >>about him ( wife , children etc ) so not being the direct relative , how >>can I get his Army records to fill in a few gaps ?( this might tell me if >>he married ) >> Hopefully , >> Rosalind . >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.71/2178 - Release Date: 06/15/09 > 17:54:00 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nivard , Thanks for your thoughts : I only have the 1911 for his parents , and he is not with them at that time - I'll get the one that you've found , I think , as my next step . From other listers , it seems that he was born Thomas Percy . Kind regards , Rosalind . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [BAN] Bucks Regimnt records > Hi Rosalind > > My question was based on the possibility that a man I had found in the WW1 > medal cards who was a Percy J ROBERTS may be your man, having found your > man > with parents in 1901 it looked like he had the middle initial as J, there > were only two Percy ROBERTS in the medal cards who served in the Ox & > Bucks, > one being a Percy J, the other Percy C (that is of course based on your > mums > anecdote being correct) > > Having found him in 1891 with parents I would say his middle initial is > actually T, I wonder if thats for TYE like his brother Benjamin ? > > There is one Percy ROBERTS born Banbury in the 1911 census but without > buying the transcript or page its hard to know what his marital status > was, > do you have that? > > There are many Percy ROBERTS listed in the medal cards which give little > detail so hard to work out which might be yours > > I do not see an obvious Percy ROBERTS in the service records so far > available on Ancestry > > Ancestry are making available the surviving service records but are only > up > to the letter N so far , so its possible his still exist and may yet be > found, he does not seem to appear in the so called pension records > > Service records give more detail and may identify him, although sadly only > approximately one third survived WW2 (ironically) > > The added problem is that he may not have used his middle initial so > identifying a marriage may also be a problem > > On that point have you seen his baptism or just a transcript, the original > of which may give his middle name ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > >> Nivard , >> I've no idea how Bucks came into it - I just wrote down what Mum said ! >> I have no second name for him at baptism , though he might have gained >> one >> later , I guess . >> Regards , >> Rosalind . > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >