Sorry, I didn't read down far enough. The Three Pigeons address?could even?be different from those you gave. It could be classed as Southam Rd or Castle St, as well as North Bar and Neithrop. It is the same pub whichever address is shown, and is the only building in the town centre to still have a thatched roof. It often has?three straw pigeons aloft, but they do disappear from time to time, plucked away by the elements and birds to line their nests. Neithrop is the district/parish it is in, and stands on the junction of the other three roads. It is still open and operating. I drive past it every time I go to work. It has changed little on the outside from its early photos/illustrations. Yours, Ian -----Original Message----- From: irhuckin@aol.com To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:06 Subject: Re: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub It is difficult to say for certain which building was the Buck and Bell, just by looking at the buildings and present day numbering, but the Jai Pur Restaurant is my best guess. Yours, Ian -----Original Message----- From: M HOWES <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:56 Subject: Re: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub Do we know what stands at 39 Parsons Street? now ---??? I walked up it today- wished? I had known? !!!!??? --- On Thu, 9/7/09, Bob Sangster <ukbsan1@talktalk.net> wrote: From: Bob Sangster <ukbsan1@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 10:41 PM Hello Linda, Yes, both 'pubs' are still there, BUT, the Buck and Bell your William Walker was Licenee of was Not the Buck and Bell you refer to that has now closed. Your William was the Licensee of the Buck and Bell at 39 Parson Street, where as the present Buck and Bell is in North Bar. 39 Parson Street, (was Parsons Lane), is still standing, so can still be visited. If of any help, I can be found at the local Study Centre on Wednesday and Friday afternoons, so if convient, please let me know when you visit, and I will willingly, help you out if required. My pleasure. Enjoy Life. Never promise, but will always try. Regards, Bob Sangster -----Original Message----- From: LindaG8474@aol.com To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:07 Subject: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub My gggrandfather William Walker was publican and? baker at the Three Pigeons from 1844 to 1867.? It was listed in various? records as Neithrop and North Bar, Banbury.? Is this the same Three Pigeons? that still exists today?? And is it still in operation?? Several of my? family are planning a visit to UK next June and we would like to visit this pub? if it's the correct one.? William Walker then moved to the Buck & Bell? for several years before dying unexpectedly in 1869.? I understand the Buck? & Bell recently closed.??? Linda ??? **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com w ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

<snip> If of any help, I can be found at the local Study Centre on Wednesday and Friday afternoons, so if convient, please let me know when you visit, and I will willingly, help you out if required. My pleasure. Enjoy Life. Never promise, but will always try. Regards, Bob Sangster Thanks, Bob. I would love to visit with you! If our schedule allows it, I certainly will. Linda **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003)

It is difficult to say for certain which building was the Buck and Bell, just by looking at the buildings and present day numbering, but the Jai Pur Restaurant is my best guess. Yours, Ian -----Original Message----- From: M HOWES <m.m.r.howes@btinternet.com> To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:56 Subject: Re: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub Do we know what stands at 39 Parsons Street? now ---??? I walked up it today- wished? I had known? !!!!??? --- On Thu, 9/7/09, Bob Sangster <ukbsan1@talktalk.net> wrote: From: Bob Sangster <ukbsan1@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 10:41 PM Hello Linda, Yes, both 'pubs' are still there, BUT, the Buck and Bell your William Walker was Licenee of was Not the Buck and Bell you refer to that has now closed. Your William was the Licensee of the Buck and Bell at 39 Parson Street, where as the present Buck and Bell is in North Bar. 39 Parson Street, (was Parsons Lane), is still standing, so can still be visited. If of any help, I can be found at the local Study Centre on Wednesday and Friday afternoons, so if convient, please let me know when you visit, and I will willingly, help you out if required. My pleasure. Enjoy Life. Never promise, but will always try. Regards, Bob Sangster -----Original Message----- From: LindaG8474@aol.com To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:07 Subject: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub My gggrandfather William Walker was publican and? baker at the Three Pigeons from 1844 to 1867.? It was listed in various? records as Neithrop and North Bar, Banbury.? Is this the same Three Pigeons? that still exists today?? And is it still in operation?? Several of my? family are planning a visit to UK next June and we would like to visit this pub? if it's the correct one.? William Walker then moved to the Buck & Bell? for several years before dying unexpectedly in 1869.? I understand the Buck? & Bell recently closed.??? Linda ??? **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com w ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Do we know what stands at 39 Parsons Street  now ---    I walked up it today- wished  I had known  !!!!    --- On Thu, 9/7/09, Bob Sangster <ukbsan1@talktalk.net> wrote: From: Bob Sangster <ukbsan1@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 9 July, 2009, 10:41 PM Hello Linda, Yes, both 'pubs' are still there, BUT, the Buck and Bell your William Walker was Licenee of was Not the Buck and Bell you refer to that has now closed. Your William was the Licensee of the Buck and Bell at 39 Parson Street, where as the present Buck and Bell is in North Bar. 39 Parson Street, (was Parsons Lane), is still standing, so can still be visited. If of any help, I can be found at the local Study Centre on Wednesday and Friday afternoons, so if convient, please let me know when you visit, and I will willingly, help you out if required. My pleasure. Enjoy Life. Never promise, but will always try. Regards, Bob Sangster -----Original Message----- From: LindaG8474@aol.com To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:07 Subject: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub My gggrandfather William Walker was publican and  baker at the Three Pigeons from 1844 to 1867.  It was listed in various  records as Neithrop and North Bar, Banbury.  Is this the same Three Pigeons  that still exists today?  And is it still in operation?  Several of my  family are planning a visit to UK next June and we would like to visit this pub  if it's the correct one.  William Walker then moved to the Buck & Bell  for several years before dying unexpectedly in 1869.  I understand the Buck  & Bell recently closed.    Linda     **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Linda, Yes, both 'pubs' are still there, BUT, the Buck and Bell your William Walker was Licenee of was Not the Buck and Bell you refer to that has now closed. Your William was the Licensee of the Buck and Bell at 39 Parson Street, where as the present Buck and Bell is in North Bar. 39 Parson Street, (was Parsons Lane), is still standing, so can still be visited. If of any help, I can be found at the local Study Centre on Wednesday and Friday afternoons, so if convient, please let me know when you visit, and I will willingly, help you out if required. My pleasure. Enjoy Life. Never promise, but will always try. Regards, Bob Sangster -----Original Message----- From: LindaG8474@aol.com To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:07 Subject: [BAN] Three Pigeons Pub My gggrandfather William Walker was publican and baker at the Three Pigeons from 1844 to 1867. It was listed in various records as Neithrop and North Bar, Banbury. Is this the same Three Pigeons that still exists today? And is it still in operation? Several of my family are planning a visit to UK next June and we would like to visit this pub if it's the correct one. William Walker then moved to the Buck & Bell for several years before dying unexpectedly in 1869. I understand the Buck & Bell recently closed. Linda **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My gggrandfather William Walker was publican and baker at the Three Pigeons from 1844 to 1867. It was listed in various records as Neithrop and North Bar, Banbury. Is this the same Three Pigeons that still exists today? And is it still in operation? Several of my family are planning a visit to UK next June and we would like to visit this pub if it's the correct one. William Walker then moved to the Buck & Bell for several years before dying unexpectedly in 1869. I understand the Buck & Bell recently closed. Linda **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003)

Angela, The following is the entry in Vol 26 No 4 May 2005 edition of "Footprints" Regards, Brian BANBURY HISTORY DATABASE My name is Bob Mason and over the last three years I have been collecting information about the residents of Banbury in Oxfordshire between 1820 and 1851 for a book I am writing. As part of the research I have 7 begun to develop a database of all names appearing in government (national and local) papers, newspapers and other contemporary documents. Banbury Union extended into Northamptonshire and a large number of individuals moved to Banbury so it may be that the information in the database could help you track down missing ancestors quickly and cheaply. There is no charge to check for a name - a fee only becomes payable if details of the reference are requested. If you would like to find out more my website is: ­www.banburyhistory.co.uk or email me at banburyresearch@tiscali.co.uk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANGELA ALLEN" <angela.allen72@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] Book on Banbury Residents by Bob Mason > Hi Brian > What contact details do you have for Bob? > > Angela > co admin Banbury > >

Hi Brian What contact details do you have for Bob? Angela co admin Banbury > I found a reference in the May 2005 edition of "Footprints".(The magazine > of the Northamptonshire Family History Society) relating to a gentleman > named Bob Mason, who was researching for a book on the residents of > Banbury between 1820 and 1851. > > Neither his website nor his email address are valid. > > I wonder if anyone knows about this person or his work. He was offering a > search of his database to help family history researchers. > > Regards, > > Brian

Hi, I found a reference in the May 2005 edition of "Footprints".(The magazine of the Northamptonshire Family History Society) relating to a gentleman named Bob Mason, who was researching for a book on the residents of Banbury between 1820 and 1851. Neither his website nor his email address are valid. I wonder if anyone knows about this person or his work. He was offering a search of his database to help family history researchers. Regards, Brian

Richard Randall m Ann Gibbs 1851 - Richards fa. was entered as Charles Randall Labourer. Would Charles have been entered thus if he was deceased? I ask as the 1851 UK Census has Richard and his mother living with "others" . Ann, his mother, is listed as a pauper and Richard as a mason's labourer. Would this mean Charles had died? In the 1841 Census the family unit was Charles, Ann (mo), Ricard and sister Anne.

Hi ?????? Oh that it were that easy <g> If the question was asked about the father being deceased or if the information was volunteered, it may recorded If the question was "what is your fathers name and occupation" the answer could very well be just that Fathers are often recorded without mention of deceased yet are known to be long gone, there are also plenty of occasions where he is recorded as deceased yet found to be very much alive Although you may well be correct in your assumptions about the 1841, as no relationship was recorded its not definite unless you have other information regarding the family relationships Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) None of which helps very much > Richard Randall m Ann Gibbs 1851 - Richards fa. was entered as Charles > Randall Labourer. Would Charles have been entered thus if he was > deceased? I ask as the 1851 UK Census has Richard and his mother living > with "others" . Ann, his mother, is listed as a pauper and Richard as a > mason's labourer. Would this mean Charles had died? In the 1841 Census > the family unit was Charles, Ann (mo), Ricard and sister Anne.

OFHS 1851 Census Banbury shows Ann RANDLE as head of house and Widow. I haven't found Charles' burial in Banbury PR's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "donlizw" <donlizw@netspace.net.au> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: [BAN] RANDLE RANDLE RANDALL > Richard Randall m Ann Gibbs 1851 - Richards fa. was entered as Charles > Randall Labourer. Would Charles have been entered thus if he was > deceased? I ask as the 1851 UK Census has Richard and his mother living > with "others" . Ann, his mother, is listed as a pauper and Richard as a > mason's labourer. Would this mean Charles had died? In the 1841 Census > the family unit was Charles, Ann (mo), Ricard and sister Anne. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4219 (20090705) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

thanks for everyone's help. I will follow up some of the leads. My information re seeking information on the "missing" children Benjamin, Charles, George & Louisa relates to info on one of Richards children born in Victoria Australia in 1874. Victorian (my states in Aus) birth certificates lists siblings - very helpful. I have sent to the UK for a certificate for George and Louisa both born in Birmingham UK Might add to the puzzle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANGELA ALLEN" <angela.allen72@btinternet.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 5:07 AM Subject: [BAN] RANDLE/RANDELL

thanks for the reply - how do i fimd/access the parish register by email? is it possible? i found louisa too today and have sent off for the certificate. its the chidren born in the uk to charlotte & richard before they sailed to australia Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Malings" <jon_malings@hotmail.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] RANDLE/RANDELL/RANDALL > > > > Jon Malings > > County Wexford, Ireland > > > > > > From: donlizw@netspace.net.au >> To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:43:59 +1000 >> Subject: [BAN] RANDLE/RANDELL/RANDALL >> >> apol for all lower case - my left arm is imobile following surgery. >> >> i am trying to find the birth of charles, benjamin, george and louisa >> born to richard and charlotte who married 1n 1855. >> >> louisa' death cert states she was born in birmingham circa 1864/5 - my >> estimation is may- june 1865 - i can't see a match. she died in australia >> age 79 years in 1944 - was married in aust aged 18 in 1882. >> >> i am looking for george in aust. the next brother thomas was born in >> Tasmania in 1867, >> >> 1861 uk census has family unit has parents plus a son ephraim from >> richards earliar marriage. >> >> i have been looking for children born between apr 1861 and 1867 although >> they could have been born and died between 1855 - 1861 as the chidren in >> australia were born 1867, possibly george here, 1872,1874 1878. >> >> is there anyway one can determine parents before sending for >> certificates? >> >> >> thanks elizabeth >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elizabeth This may help or not!? Following on from Jon's info below, if that is your couple in the 1861 census .. Charlotte BREWER bapt @ St Mary Banbury 12/2/1837 do Thomas & Alice, North Bar, whitesmith. Ephraim RANDLE bapt @ St Mary Banbury 24/10/1852 so Richard & Anne, Blue Pig Yard, labr. There is this marriage at Banbury 21/4/1851 Richard RANDLE, 21, Horsefair so Charles & Anne GIBBS, 19, Horsefair do James. This burial 27/11/1853 RANDLE Ann 22y, Horsefair Can't see any records for a Richard RANDLE etc baptising offspring in Banbury after Ephraim in 1852. Ephraim is quite an unusual name so don't know if you may find a connection here - but there are several generations of Ephraim RANDLE's at Bloxham? Angela co admin Banbury > I see that Richard RANDLE married Charlotte BREWER in Banbury 3Q 1855 but > that they were in Birmingham in the 1861 census with no children of their > only, only Ephraim RANDELL from a previous marriage. Have you checked the > Banbury registers to see if they had any children that were born/died > there between 1855-61 ? > Jon Malings

> I don't know anything about Birmingham registers despite teh fact that I > was born there. I know there is a family history group. Your Louisa > RANDALL could be 1864 Birmingham 3Q 6d 43. > Its called the BMSGH, Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry. You will find their website with the aid of google. They have an enquiry service. Phil

Hi Elizabeth, Jon Mailings wrote: > >I see that Richard RANDLE married Charlotte BREWER in Banbury 3Q 1855 but > >that they were in Birmingham in the 1861 census with no children of their > >only, only Ephraim RANDELL from a previous marriage. Have you checked > >the Banbury registers to see if they had any children that were born/died > >there between 1855-61 ?>> I checked the OFHS Banbury Registration District PR's for OXF and didn't find Richard & Charlotte's marriage. The Banbury Reg. Dist. has several parishes in WAR & NTH. You may want to send for their marriage cert. But, I did find Ephraim's bapt; OFHS Banbury St. Mary PR's: bapt: 24 Oct 1852 RANDLE Ephraim s Richard & Ann, Blue Pig Yard, lab marr: 21 Apr 1851 xRANDLE Richard 21 bach lab Horse Fair s Charles lab xGIBBS Ann 19 Horse Fair d James lab wit: George BEERE xSusanna WICKSON bur: 27 Nov 1853 RANDLE Ann 22 Horse Fair OFHS 1851 Census Banbury HO 107/1734 folio 391 Blue Pig Yard Ann RANDLE Head W 62 Pauper Oxon Deddington Richard " Son U 21 Mason's lab " Shutford John KIRTLAND Lodger U 28 " " " Neithrop Ann GIBBS Visitor U 19 " Deddington OFHS Shutford PR's: bapt: 9 May 1830 RANDLE Richard s Charles, weaver & Ann 21 Oct 1832 " Ann Elizabeth s " " " OFHS Deddington PR's: marr: 24 Feb 1829 RANDLE Charles of Shutford WILKINS x Anne otp wit: John FRENCH ( only ) banns bapt: 8 Jan 1832 GIBBS Ann d James & Alice, lab marr: 22 Apr 1828 GIBBS x James BONEHAM x Alice botp wit: William SKILLMAN ( only ) banns bapt: 19 Jul 1807 GIBBS James s James & Mary 31 Jan 1808 BONEHAM Alice d John & Susannah HTH, Bill Watson

apol for all lower case - my left arm is imobile following surgery. i am trying to find the birth of charles, benjamin, george and louisa born to richard and charlotte who married 1n 1855. louisa' death cert states she was born in birmingham circa 1864/5 - my estimation is may- june 1865 - i can't see a match. she died in australia age 79 years in 1944 - was married in aust aged 18 in 1882. i am looking for george in aust. the next brother thomas was born in Tasmania in 1867, 1861 uk census has family unit has parents plus a son ephraim from richards earliar marriage. i have been looking for children born between apr 1861 and 1867 although they could have been born and died between 1855 - 1861 as the chidren in australia were born 1867, possibly george here, 1872,1874 1878. is there anyway one can determine parents before sending for certificates? thanks elizabeth

Elizabeth hope your arm gets better soon. Other than buying the certificate or finding them on the census, the only other way I know of establishing parents for births and infant deaths is through the parish registers if they exist and if the entry has been made. I see that Richard RANDLE married Charlotte BREWER in Banbury 3Q 1855 but that they were in Birmingham in the 1861 census with no children of their only, only Ephraim RANDELL from a previous marriage. Have you checked the Banbury registers to see if they had any children that were born/died there between 1855-61 ? I don't know anything about Birmingham registers despite teh fact that I was born there. I know there is a family history group. Your Louisa RANDALL could be 1864 Birmingham 3Q 6d 43. regards Jon Malings County Wexford, Ireland From: donlizw@netspace.net.au > To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:43:59 +1000 > Subject: [BAN] RANDLE/RANDELL/RANDALL > > apol for all lower case - my left arm is imobile following surgery. > > i am trying to find the birth of charles, benjamin, george and louisa born to richard and charlotte who married 1n 1855. > > louisa' death cert states she was born in birmingham circa 1864/5 - my estimation is may- june 1865 - i can't see a match. she died in australia age 79 years in 1944 - was married in aust aged 18 in 1882. > > i am looking for george in aust. the next brother thomas was born in Tasmania in 1867, > > 1861 uk census has family unit has parents plus a son ephraim from richards earliar marriage. > > i have been looking for children born between apr 1861 and 1867 although they could have been born and died between 1855 - 1861 as the chidren in australia were born 1867, possibly george here, 1872,1874 1878. > > is there anyway one can determine parents before sending for certificates? > > > thanks elizabeth > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes that does help. From that description I would say it is either where Barclays Bank is now, or the old buildings demolished in the 70-80's to build NatWest Bank. I will have a look at that area. Yours, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Steve & Christine Hartwell <hartwell.s@comcast.net> To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 2:21 Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS Not sure if this helps regarding the location: In the book The History of Banbury by Alfred Beesley there is a note regarding charity collections and it says 'from a corner house in Red Lion street (High Street), the property of John Hopcraft, being the Ship Inn then occupied by John Adams' ----- Original Message ----- From: <irhuckin@aol.com> To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS >I have no obvious?photos of 'The Ship Inn'. > Does anyone know exactly where it was in Cowfair, as I have a lot of the > general area? > Yours, > > > Ian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irhuckin@aol.com > To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:42 > Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS > > > > > Just a bit more info: > > Fish St is now George St, and there is still a Wheatsheaf pub there. > > Buck and Bell was where the Jai Pur Restaurant is now. It moved into North > Bar > and later became just 'The Buck'. Hit by the recession, it has now closed > down > for the foreseeable future. > > Cowfair is the area outside of the Town Hall and Marks & Spencer. There > are lots > of photos of that area, so someone may be able to track down one of 'The > Ship'. > I have no idea where it was. > I will check my photos for any. > Yours, > > > Ian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Banbury <Banbury@westnet.com.au> > To: eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:56 > Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS > > > > > From > "The licensees of Inns etc Banbury", Vera Wood OFHS > SHIP Cow Fair 95 High Street > c 1830-1839 the licensee was Jonathan Adams. > others are listed up until 1871- > Incidentally from the index > Alfred Hopcraft Wheatsheaf 1859-1864 > Scalding Lane 68 Fish St demolished 1961 > John Hopcraft Buck and Bell 1879-1883 > 39 Parsons Lane, but since 1935 in North Bar Still open 1998 > Rod Wise > www.members.westnet.com.au/banbury > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Fr om: "Jon Malings" <jon_malings@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-banbury-area@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:37 AM > Subject: Re: [BAN] The Ship pub HOPCRAFT/ADAMS > > >> >> Given all this hot weather (in Ireland at least) it's quite appropriate >> to >> think about Pubs...and what wouldn't I give for a nice pint of Brains or >> Wadsworths. >> >> >> I have a copy of the Will of John HOPCRAFT of Deddington, written 1833, >> proved 1835. In it he mentions that he owns The Ship public house in >> Banbury which he is leasing to Jonathan ADAMS. >> >> >> >> Does anyone know anything about The Ship? Where was/is it ? >> >> >> >> Jon Malings >> >> County Wexford, Ireland >> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request > @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/eng-banbury-area > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-BANBURY-AREA-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the > move. 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