In a message dated 27/12/2009 16:53:57 GMT Standard Time, relks@shaw.ca writes: I see you are still unravelling FW Whitred Elk. so I thought I could add any notes from AEHE Bath book that might help. - There is a picture of the father Fred. Geo. as a Captain in B.A. p 26 Bath book. - died age 36 serving in India 1858 - FW Whitred recorded as born London 1854 - Worked and lived many years in Manchester, textiles, and died a bachelor 1927, Manchester I am concerned that AEHE could have missed a third child, he was well enough connected to the family as his great uncle was Fred. Geo. father of James Ingle(NZ) and FW Whitred, and his uncle Ernest Way visited the James Ingle family in NZ. Surely there would have been knowledge of a sister. So perhaps she was not a sister, if a sister she would have been about 34 when having a child and marrying Charles Wells in 1894. Perhaps Mary Ingle, the mother, her young husband having died in India, had a child by another man but did not marry, perhaps even died in childbirth and the child was sequestered from the family. Both brothers should have memories, at ages 6 and 7, of a sister being born. Anyway, happy searching, all the best of the season. Hi Rice, Thanks for the in formative reply. I am now sure that Mary Wells was not a blood sister but perhaps it was an honorary title. He certainly lived with them a good number of years and perhaps that is how he thought of her. I am sure that AEHE didn't miss a child and I don't think she had an illegitimate child. She died in St. Leonard's, Sussex, in the home of Elizabeth Warren Elkington of Princethorpe, which is many miles from Earlstown, Manchester. What relation was Ernest Way to Captain Norman Way the father of Theodora? I am interested to hear that he visited James Angle in New Zealand. I have James Ingle's family for several generations in New Zealand. Regards JUDY ELKINGTON www.elkingtonfamily.com