Hi, Hope you all had a good Christmas. I am looking for the marriage of Charles Well to a Mary. The reason I am having trouble is because he does not seem to appear in any records before 1901 and then he also appears in 1911. He was born in Langford, Berks in 1858 [census records]. However there is a Charles James Wells born in the Sep. Qtr. 1859 but in Hungerford which is in Berkshire. Now here is the problem. In 1901 and 1911 He is described as married to a Mary living in Manchester with Frederick William Whitred Elkington who is described as his sister. So this would make her Mary Elkington. But her birth has not been found. The mother died in 1861 in St. Leonards on Sea at a relatives house. Father was in the Indian Army and died there in 1858, when the two sons, James Ingle an d Frederick W.W. were still very young and they spent their childhood with various relatives. Mary states that she was born in Earlstown, Lancashire [1901 and 1911] but no sign of her before that. It is a strange place to be born in considering that they are related to the Bath Family Branch and Mother died shortly after Mary's supposed birth, in Sussex. She was living in Manchester after her marriage to Charles and a daughter Jessie born in 1894. [census] also no record found. Mary may have been married before because she seems to be a bit old to have her first and only child. Perhaps Jessie was the child of a first wife of Charles. Any suggestions would be helpful. At the moment I can't send for any certificates because I can't find any dates. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] Goons Mem.No. 4052 www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

HI Judy, I see you are still unravelling FW Whitred Elk. so I thought I could add any notes from AEHE Bath book that might help. - There is a picture of the father Fred. Geo. as a Captain in B.A. p 26 Bath book. - died age 36 serving in India 1858 - FW Whitred recorded as born London 1854 - Worked and lived many years in Manchester, textiles, and died a bachelor 1927, Manchester I am concerned that AEHE could have missed a third child, he was well enough connected to the family as his great uncle was Fred. Geo. father of James Ingle(NZ) and FW Whitred, and his uncle Ernest Way visited the James Ingle family in NZ. Surely there would have been knowledge of a sister. So perhaps she was not a sister, if a sister she would have been about 34 when having a child and marrying Charles Wells in 1894. Perhaps Mary Ingle, the mother, her young husband having died in India, had a child by another man but did not marry, perhaps even died in childbirth and the child was sequestered from the family. Both brothers should have memories, at ages 6 and 7, of a sister being born. Anyway, happy searching, all the best of the season. Unfortunate that this sytem only takes "plain text" as I could post a picture of an updated and coloured "Crest" for those branches that have used the arms. Any who send a direct email can have a colour jpeg back of the crest, coloured faithfully to the description of the Arms. Your email systems must be able to take "Rich Text" and the jpeg will be reduced in resolution so the file should only be about 1 meg in size. I am still working on detailing, so will accumulate a mailing list and send in a month or so. Higher resolution, larger file size will be available to those who can receive it. relks@shaw.ca Happy New Year to all, regards, JRE -----Original Message----- From: elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of jjupar@aol.com Sent: December 27, 2009 3:27 AM To: Elkington@rootsweb.com Cc: GOONS@rootsweb.com; Genbrit@rootsweb.com Subject: [ELKINGTON] Charles Wells b.1858 Hi, Hope you all had a good Christmas. I am looking for the marriage of Charles Well to a Mary. The reason I am having trouble is because he does not seem to appear in any records before 1901 and then he also appears in 1911. He was born in Langford, Berks in 1858 [census records]. However there is a Charles James Wells born in the Sep. Qtr. 1859 but in Hungerford which is in Berkshire. Now here is the problem. In 1901 and 1911 He is described as married to a Mary living in Manchester with Frederick William Whitred Elkington who is described as his sister. So this would make her Mary Elkington. But her birth has not been found. The mother died in 1861 in St. Leonards on Sea at a relatives house. Father was in the Indian Army and died there in 1858, when the two sons, James Ingle an d Frederick W.W. were still very young and they spent their childhood with various relatives. Mary states that she was born in Earlstown, Lancashire [1901 and 1911] but no sign of her before that. It is a strange place to be born in considering that they are related to the Bath Family Branch and Mother died shortly after Mary's supposed birth, in Sussex. She was living in Manchester after her marriage to Charles and a daughter Jessie born in 1894. [census] also no record found. Mary may have been married before because she seems to be a bit old to have her first and only child. Perhaps Jessie was the child of a first wife of Charles. Any suggestions would be helpful. At the moment I can't send for any certificates because I can't find any dates. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England]

Hello Judy, These details may help you. In the GRO I have located the birth of Jessie Wells; Jan-Mar 1894 Chorlton, 8c 870 There is a marriage of a Charles Wells to either Sarah DAVIES or Fanny LEAH Jul-Sep 1883, Chorlton, 8c 1093 Further, there is a death entry of a Fanny Wells aged 0 Jan-Mar 1885 Chorlton, 8c 517 and Fanny Wells aged 26 Apr-Jun 1887, Chorlton, 8c 423 A further marriage of: Charles Wells and either Mary Clarke or Mary Johnson; Oct-Dec 1889, Chorlton, 8c 1115 Can't find Mary Elkington. Regards, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jjupar@aol.com Sent: 27 December 2009 11:27 To: Elkington@rootsweb.com Cc: GOONS@rootsweb.com; Genbrit@rootsweb.com Subject: [ELKINGTON] Charles Wells b.1858 Hi, Hope you all had a good Christmas. I am looking for the marriage of Charles Well to a Mary. The reason I am having trouble is because he does not seem to appear in any records before 1901 and then he also appears in 1911. He was born in Langford, Berks in 1858 [census records]. However there is a Charles James Wells born in the Sep. Qtr. 1859 but in Hungerford which is in Berkshire. Now here is the problem. In 1901 and 1911 He is described as married to a Mary living in Manchester with Frederick William Whitred Elkington who is described as his sister. So this would make her Mary Elkington. But her birth has not been found. The mother died in 1861 in St. Leonards on Sea at a relatives house. Father was in the Indian Army and died there in 1858, when the two sons, James Ingle an d Frederick W.W. were still very young and they spent their childhood with various relatives. Mary states that she was born in Earlstown, Lancashire [1901 and 1911] but no sign of her before that. It is a strange place to be born in considering that they are related to the Bath Family Branch and Mother died shortly after Mary's supposed birth, in Sussex. She was living in Manchester after her marriage to Charles and a daughter Jessie born in 1894. [census] also no record found. Mary may have been married before because she seems to be a bit old to have her first and only child. Perhaps Jessie was the child of a first wife of Charles. Any suggestions would be helpful. At the moment I can't send for any certificates because I can't find any dates. JUDY ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] Goons Mem.No. 4052 www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html www.elkingtonfamily.com http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ELKINGTON ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Judy   Yes thank you, hope you did too.   There is a Jessie WELLS born Chorlton Q1 1894, ref 8c 870.  If the family moved about/was split up, as seems to have happened, that's close enough to Manchester for me to think it was probably your Jessie.   If Mary's mother died soon after her birth and the children were split up between relatives, it wouldn't be surprising if she didn't know her birthplace but just said the place she first remembered being born, or where the family she grew up with lived.   Hope this helps   Kim --- On Sun, 27/12/09, jjupar@aol.com <jjupar@aol.com> wrote: From: jjupar@aol.com <jjupar@aol.com> Subject: Charles Wells b.1858 To: Elkington@rootsweb.com Cc: GOONS@rootsweb.com, Genbrit@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 27 December, 2009, 11:27 Hi, Hope you all had a good Christmas. I am looking for the marriage of Charles Well to a Mary.   The  reason I am having trouble is because he does not seem to appear in any records  before 1901 and then he also appears in 1911.   He was born in  Langford, Berks in 1858 [census records].    However there  is a Charles James Wells born in the Sep. Qtr. 1859 but in Hungerford which is  in Berkshire. Now here is the problem.   In 1901 and 1911 He is described as  married to a Mary living in Manchester with Frederick William Whitred  Elkington who is described as his sister.   So this would make  her Mary Elkington.   But her birth has not been found.    The mother died in 1861 in St. Leonards on Sea at a relatives  house.   Father was in the Indian Army and died there in 1858,  when the two sons, James Ingle an d Frederick W.W. were still very  young and they spent their childhood with various relatives. Mary states that she was born in Earlstown, Lancashire [1901 and 1911] but  no sign  of her before that.  It is a strange place to be born in  considering that they are related to the Bath Family Branch and Mother died  shortly after Mary's supposed birth, in Sussex.    She was living  in Manchester after her marriage to Charles and a daughter Jessie born in 1894.  [census] also no record found. Mary may have been married before because she seems to be a bit old to have her first and only child.   Perhaps Jessie was the child of a first  wife of Charles. Any suggestions would be helpful.   At the moment I can't send  for any certificates because I can't find any dates.  JUDY  ELKINGTON [N. Derbyshire, England] Goons Mem.No.  4052 www.elkingtonfamily.com ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENBRIT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Judy, Mary Elkington 1857. Could not find an Earlstown in Manchester but there is one in Galway Ireland. Perhaps she was born there? Would fit with rest of the family. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: <jjupar@aol.com> To: <Elkington@rootsweb.com> Cc: <GOONS@rootsweb.com>; <Genbrit@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: [ELKINGTON] Charles Wells b.1858 > Hi, > > Hope you all had a good Christmas. > > I am looking for the marriage of Charles Well to a Mary. The reason I > am > having trouble is because he does not seem to appear in any records > before > 1901 and then he also appears in 1911. He was born in Langford, Berks > in > 1858 [census records]. However there is a Charles James Wells born in > the Sep. Qtr. 1859 but in Hungerford which is in Berkshire. > > Now here is the problem. In 1901 and 1911 He is described as married to > a Mary living in Manchester with Frederick William Whitred Elkington who > is > described as his sister. So this would make her Mary Elkington. But > her birth has not been found. The mother died in 1861 in St. Leonards > on > Sea at a relatives house. Father was in the Indian Army and died there > in > 1858, when the two sons, James Ingle an d Frederick W.W. were still very > young and they spent their childhood with various relatives. > > Mary states that she was born in Earlstown, Lancashire [1901 and 1911] but > no sign of her before that. It is a strange place to be born in > considering that they are related to the Bath Family Branch and Mother > died shortly > after Mary's supposed birth, in Sussex. She was living in Manchester > after her marriage to Charles and a daughter Jessie born in 1894. > [census] > also no record found. > > Mary may have been married before because she seems to be a bit old to > have > her first and only child. Perhaps Jessie was the child of a first wife > of Charles. > > Any suggestions would be helpful. At the moment I can't send for any > certificates because I can't find any dates. > > JUDY ELKINGTON > [N. Derbyshire, England] > > Goons Mem.No. 4052 > www.elkingtonfamily.com > ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com > www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html > www.elkingtonfamily.com > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ELKINGTON > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Also meant to add = did not find a Langford in Berks either so perhaps Hungerford is correct? Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: <jjupar@aol.com> To: <Elkington@rootsweb.com> Cc: <GOONS@rootsweb.com>; <Genbrit@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: [ELKINGTON] Charles Wells b.1858 > Hi, > > Hope you all had a good Christmas. > > I am looking for the marriage of Charles Well to a Mary. The reason I > am > having trouble is because he does not seem to appear in any records > before > 1901 and then he also appears in 1911. He was born in Langford, Berks > in > 1858 [census records]. However there is a Charles James Wells born in > the Sep. Qtr. 1859 but in Hungerford which is in Berkshire. > > Now here is the problem. In 1901 and 1911 He is described as married to > a Mary living in Manchester with Frederick William Whitred Elkington who > is > described as his sister. So this would make her Mary Elkington. But > her birth has not been found. The mother died in 1861 in St. Leonards > on > Sea at a relatives house. Father was in the Indian Army and died there > in > 1858, when the two sons, James Ingle an d Frederick W.W. were still very > young and they spent their childhood with various relatives. > > Mary states that she was born in Earlstown, Lancashire [1901 and 1911] but > no sign of her before that. It is a strange place to be born in > considering that they are related to the Bath Family Branch and Mother > died shortly > after Mary's supposed birth, in Sussex. She was living in Manchester > after her marriage to Charles and a daughter Jessie born in 1894. > [census] > also no record found. > > Mary may have been married before because she seems to be a bit old to > have > her first and only child. Perhaps Jessie was the child of a first wife > of Charles. > > Any suggestions would be helpful. At the moment I can't send for any > certificates because I can't find any dates. > > JUDY ELKINGTON > [N. Derbyshire, England] > > Goons Mem.No. 4052 > www.elkingtonfamily.com > ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com > www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html > www.elkingtonfamily.com > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ELKINGTON > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >