In a message dated 17/12/2009 19:12:20 GMT Standard Time, jjupar@aol.com writes: Frederick is in Manchester in 1911. Retired clerk, 55, born chatham. RG14PN23852 RG78PN1379 RD464 SD3 ED24 SN121 Married sister Mary WELLS and her family are with him. Hi Many thanks to all those who replied both on and off list. He proved a difficult nut to crack but than ks to your help he is now in place. The trouble was that his father died in India when he was one year old and mother gave birth to him in England dying in 1861 and his sister is definitely not in the GRO and neither is her marriage. Thanks for all your help I have managed to find him. JUDY ELKINGTON (N. Derbyshire) Member no.4052 elkington@one-name.org www.elkingtonfamily..com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html