In a message dated 28/01/2011 22:33:39 GMT Standard Time, iang@grapevine.com.au writes: I have some detail on this family though I am not able to concentrate on a response just yet. I am looking after two grandchildren for the next few days. Hi Ian, Don't worry I have given our new member his answer and supplied him with a full tree. It is just so disappointing to run a list in which hardly anyone is interested. You actually were the one that supplied me with the Patmore connection. Hope the grandkids are behaving for you. Regards JUDY ELKINGTON _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/)