Judy, Many thanks for the information - it all links up now. You must have worked very hard to put all this together. I left Birmingham some time ago but I know the old Science Museum in Newhall Street in the jewellery quarter. I did not know about its association with Elkington Silver. George's wife, Mary who died in 1858 was buried in Selly Oak. That is where I was born - another connection. Thanks to all your efforts you now have a direct link back to your ancestral home - Plas Newydd. All Best Wishes, Derek