Hi, As you all know I am trying to complete the entire Warwickshire Elkington Family and all their branches abroad. However, I now have a problem because although they married in 1850 and had several children, I also have about four children with queries who may have been theirs before marriage. William was a qualified Surgeon who at one time worked with Ann Sophia's father who was also qualified as a surgeon. If anybody has this family in their notes would they please get in touch with me as I am having difficulty finding them and attributing them to the right family. Many thanks, Judy Elkington
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JudyElkington70 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.elkington/13.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I now have the ful results of the Marriage of John Marriot Elkington In Ipswich. He had a very messy divorce but I can let you have vthe details if you want them. His son went to Minnesota and changed his name from Wilfred Melville to William. Please contact me on Jjupar@aol.com Judy Elkington Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
In a message dated 15/07/2009 14:29:59 GMT Daylight Time, relks@shaw.ca writes: I suspect the children listed may not include children that died in infantcy, it is a survivors list. Hi Rice, I think you are quite right and it is not too important. Thanks Judy
Received thanks Judy Hope you are keeping well. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: <JJupar@aol.com> To: <Elkington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:33 PM Subject: [ELKINGTON] Testing > Testing > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Judy, I suspect the children listed may not include children that died in infantcy, it is a survivors list. R -----Original Message----- From: elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of JJupar@aol.com Sent: July 15, 2009 1:30 AM To: elkington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ELKINGTON] Page of Emma Elizabeths Children In a message dated 15/07/2009 01:44:49 GMT Daylight Time, relks@shaw.ca writes: You said you got these notes about Emma Elizabeth from AEHEs notes. The page you sent me is an ALMOST EXACT word for word copy of the family record that we have developed over generations, supporting I suppose the exchange of family records I wrote of previously between EME / EHW, and AEHE / Christine. The differences are that the AEHE record you sent does not have the same line content, ending on different words sometimes, and AEHEs copy is simplified, not having the page header Hi It was the fourteen children of Emma Elizabeth I am trying to find. They are not in the notes as far as I can see, but as you are the most direct member of the family I thought you may know. I gleaned mine form the census so perhaps the other died between censuses being taken. "8 (2) continued " is the reference in the notes to GEORGE RICHARDS, his accession no. Emma Elizabeth is 9 (3). Don't worry it was just a faint hope that you would know them and not essential to my notes. Thanks for you help. Kind regards, JUDY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
In a message dated 15/07/2009 01:44:49 GMT Daylight Time, relks@shaw.ca writes: You said you got these notes about Emma Elizabeth from AEHEs notes. The page you sent me is an ALMOST EXACT word for word copy of the family record that we have developed over generations, supporting I suppose the exchange of family records I wrote of previously between EME / EHW, and AEHE / Christine. The differences are that the AEHE record you sent does not have the same line content, ending on different words sometimes, and AEHEs copy is simplified, not having the page header Hi It was the fourteen children of Emma Elizabeth I am trying to find. They are not in the notes as far as I can see, but as you are the most direct member of the family I thought you may know. I gleaned mine form the census so perhaps the other died between censuses being taken. "8 (2) continued " is the reference in the notes to GEORGE RICHARDS, his accession no. Emma Elizabeth is 9 (3). Don't worry it was just a faint hope that you would know them and not essential to my notes. Thanks for you help. Kind regards, JUDY
Hi Judy, You said you got these notes about Emma Elizabeth from AEHEs notes. The page you sent me is an ALMOST EXACT word for word copy of the family record that we have developed over generations, supporting I suppose the exchange of family records I wrote of previously between EME / EHW, and AEHE / Christine. The differences are that the AEHE record you sent does not have the same line content, ending on different words sometimes, and AEHEs copy is simplified, not having the page header " 8. (2) continued:-" is not underlined and "Children:-" is not underlined and at the bottom reference, our record states "Appendix B." as opposed to AEHE "Appendix A - this branch" So, once again, it looks very much as if AEHE/ Christine incorporated our record into their notes and simplified for expediency, while modifying the references to suit their overall picture of the growing tree. regards, JR -----Original Message----- From: JJupar@aol.com [mailto:JJupar@aol.com] Sent: July 14, 2009 4:05 AM To: relks@shaw.ca Subject: Page of Emma Elizabeths Children Hi Rice, Page as promised, Judy
Hi Judy, Thankyou for the interesting obituary. I imagine that this was Christopher John, b 1936, of the Warwickshire Branch and great grand son of John Warren. His first marriage was probably abroad, after which he seems to have returned to England, remarried etc - any way you have the above reference from which to trace him in your notes. regards Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <JJupar@aol.com> To: <Elkington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: [ELKINGTON] Obituary for Christopher Elkington 1936 - 2006 > > Hi all, > > I am sending this obituary for you all to see which was kindly sent by a > member Cyril Elkington. > > If any of you know who his parents were I should be glad to have the > information to add to my Database. > > Regards > > Judy Elkington > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Christopher Elkington > Educationist and jazz afficionado in Tanzania > Imruh Bakari > Monday May 29 2006 > The Guardian > > > In 1966 Christopher Elkington, who has died aged 69, moved from London to > settle in the north-west of Tanzania, in the Kagera region, bordering on > the western shores of Lake Victoria. This was the region with which he > identified, becoming fluent in its language Kihaya, as well as Kiswahili, > Tanzania's national language, and it was there that he earned the name > Mugyabuso, > meaning one who is direct and straightforward. > > For 30 years this man, with a passion for jazz and an affinity with > African culture, was associated with schools in the region. His work > extended to > a consultancy at the University of Dar es Salaam's Institute of Kiswahili > where he was one of the editors of the seminal Swahili-English dictionary > (2000). > > By then Elkington had moved to Dar es Salaam where in 1996 he joined the > IPP Media organisation as a newspaper editor and broadcaster. His Mind > Your > Language column in Tanzania's Sunday Observer underlined his familiarity > with Tanzanian culture, as he played on idiosyncratic uses of English. He > also wrote passionately about African art, championing Tanzanian > sculptors and > Tingatinga painters in particular. > >>From 1998 it was his weekly Dar es Salaam Sky FM radio programme It Don't > Mean a Thing If It Ain't Got That Swing, which brought Elkington to wide > public attention. The programme reflected his semi-religious commitment > to > the music of the 1940s and 50s. > > He was particularly interested in British jazz, and when the young > British > alto player Soweto Kinch visited Tanzania in 2003, Elkington interviewed > him, taking the opportunity to reflect on innovations since his departure > four decades earlier. > > The young Kinch had sparked reminiscences about Jamaican sax player Joe > Harriott and the impact of South African musicians like Chris McGregor on > the > London of the 1960s. Elkington still recalled his time as a founding > member of Ronnie Scott's club - having been there on that historic night > in 1959 > when the original club opened in London's Soho - and countless other, > enjoyable nights, when it was not unusual to leave the venue as the sun > was > coming up, listening to British and American jazz. This, coupled with his > wartime childhood, shaped Elkington's barbed, ironic humour. Together with > his > middle-class upbringing this distinguished him in Tanzania and set him > apart > from the expatriate community. > > Elkington was born in Harrow-on-the Hill and initially educated at > Quainton Hall School. Postwar the family moved to Polperro in Cornwall > and he > boarded at Lancing College in Sussex before reading anthropology and > archaeology at St Catharine's College, Cambridge. > > Jazz, meanwhile, had become a passion. He was a devotee of traditional > jazz until, while at Lancing, he heard a Dizzy Gillespie 78rpm with Oo > Bop > sh'Bam and One Bass Hit, in a Hove record shop. Conversion was instant, > and > Charlie Parker and Sonny Stitt became and remained among his idols. > > At Cambridge Elkington distinguished himself as a drummer with the > Cambridge Jazz Quartet and played around the London scene. Elkington > often > recalled those years, and the jazz giants visiting Britain for the first > time, as > well as the colourful characters whose mythologies provided his own > endless > anecdotes of the period. > > Cornwall was his first memorable journey, but by his early adult years > there were adventures in London with its forbidden attractions, and > excursions > in Europe. A friend had given him presents of African artefacts, and > later > the literature and politics of colonial Africa and apartheid South Africa > in particular, were to inspire his radical sensibility and set him off to > explore that continent. > > In 2000, to his deep regret, It Don't Mean a Thing was axed. But, until > his passing, he worked on writing for Tanzania's Guardian and Sunday > Observer. Elkington was described by one writer as a "Mhaya of British > origin" - > meaning that he had been recognised as being of the Wahaya ethnic group. > > He is survived by his wife and two daughters in Tanzania; and two > daughters from an earlier marriage. > > · Christopher Elkington, teacher and journalist, born September 13 > 1936; died April 23 2006 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi all, I am sending this obituary for you all to see which was kindly sent by a member Cyril Elkington. If any of you know who his parents were I should be glad to have the information to add to my Database. Regards Judy Elkington ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Christopher Elkington Educationist and jazz afficionado in Tanzania Imruh Bakari Monday May 29 2006 The Guardian In 1966 Christopher Elkington, who has died aged 69, moved from London to settle in the north-west of Tanzania, in the Kagera region, bordering on the western shores of Lake Victoria. This was the region with which he identified, becoming fluent in its language Kihaya, as well as Kiswahili, Tanzania's national language, and it was there that he earned the name Mugyabuso, meaning one who is direct and straightforward. For 30 years this man, with a passion for jazz and an affinity with African culture, was associated with schools in the region. His work extended to a consultancy at the University of Dar es Salaam's Institute of Kiswahili where he was one of the editors of the seminal Swahili-English dictionary (2000). By then Elkington had moved to Dar es Salaam where in 1996 he joined the IPP Media organisation as a newspaper editor and broadcaster. His Mind Your Language column in Tanzania's Sunday Observer underlined his familiarity with Tanzanian culture, as he played on idiosyncratic uses of English. He also wrote passionately about African art, championing Tanzanian sculptors and Tingatinga painters in particular. >From 1998 it was his weekly Dar es Salaam Sky FM radio programme It Don't Mean a Thing If It Ain't Got That Swing, which brought Elkington to wide public attention. The programme reflected his semi-religious commitment to the music of the 1940s and 50s. He was particularly interested in British jazz, and when the young British alto player Soweto Kinch visited Tanzania in 2003, Elkington interviewed him, taking the opportunity to reflect on innovations since his departure four decades earlier. The young Kinch had sparked reminiscences about Jamaican sax player Joe Harriott and the impact of South African musicians like Chris McGregor on the London of the 1960s. Elkington still recalled his time as a founding member of Ronnie Scott's club - having been there on that historic night in 1959 when the original club opened in London's Soho - and countless other, enjoyable nights, when it was not unusual to leave the venue as the sun was coming up, listening to British and American jazz. This, coupled with his wartime childhood, shaped Elkington's barbed, ironic humour. Together with his middle-class upbringing this distinguished him in Tanzania and set him apart from the expatriate community. Elkington was born in Harrow-on-the Hill and initially educated at Quainton Hall School. Postwar the family moved to Polperro in Cornwall and he boarded at Lancing College in Sussex before reading anthropology and archaeology at St Catharine's College, Cambridge. Jazz, meanwhile, had become a passion. He was a devotee of traditional jazz until, while at Lancing, he heard a Dizzy Gillespie 78rpm with Oo Bop sh'Bam and One Bass Hit, in a Hove record shop. Conversion was instant, and Charlie Parker and Sonny Stitt became and remained among his idols. At Cambridge Elkington distinguished himself as a drummer with the Cambridge Jazz Quartet and played around the London scene. Elkington often recalled those years, and the jazz giants visiting Britain for the first time, as well as the colourful characters whose mythologies provided his own endless anecdotes of the period. Cornwall was his first memorable journey, but by his early adult years there were adventures in London with its forbidden attractions, and excursions in Europe. A friend had given him presents of African artefacts, and later the literature and politics of colonial Africa and apartheid South Africa in particular, were to inspire his radical sensibility and set him off to explore that continent. In 2000, to his deep regret, It Don't Mean a Thing was axed. But, until his passing, he worked on writing for Tanzania's Guardian and Sunday Observer. Elkington was described by one writer as a "Mhaya of British origin" - meaning that he had been recognised as being of the Wahaya ethnic group. He is survived by his wife and two daughters in Tanzania; and two daughters from an earlier marriage. · Christopher Elkington, teacher and journalist, born September 13 1936; died April 23 2006 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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In a message dated 14/07/2009 03:52:28 GMT Daylight Time, relks@shaw.ca writes: Maybe there is a comma missing after GRE, I thought at first you had HIM married to Apsley Smith. It was GRE that had 14 children, and if his daughter duplicated the feat with Mr. Smith, as is reported in our records (but they are not listed), then this is a confirmation that AEHE / Christine is passing on what he received from Emilly Mary (EME), who passed in 1955 a few years before AEHE Bath book was published, and his notes about Wars branch appeared. Hi Rice Some confusion here which is my fault. George Richards Elkington had seven children - George of course, the second one, who died from an acute epileptic fit at 22 in 1850. Emma Elizabeth, his only vdaughter born in 1829 was the one married to Apsley Smith. AEHE records her with 14 children but I have diligently search e ery possible outlet but can only find ten. I am going to send you the page where it is recorded under Warwickshire Branch IVa but I have to do it off-list as you cannot send attachments with this letter. However George had a very lusty son called Howard whose children numbered 13. Only one didn't survive. Most of them ended their days in and around Coney and Rhyl in North Wales except Ernest Howard Elkington who went to Kenya and married an African girl. Perhaps this was where the misunderstanding about the number of children. Do you know why they always favoured North Wales. I know that mother moved to Kinsale Hall on the North Coast of Wales when Howard snr. died. I get much of my extra notes from the census, IGI and other modern helps. When masking AEHEs notes I always add my name to what I have found. Will forward relevant page for you and again it is available to anyone else who would like it. Kind regards, JUDY
HI Judy, Yes, my mistake too. I looked at my tree and counted across the line below GRE and there were 14, but Hyla was the last and his kids,, Hyla Garret1867 to Robert1878 are lined up with GRE kids,,,,,put on the readers next time! JR -----Original Message----- From: elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of JJupar@aol.com Sent: July 14, 2009 3:51 AM To: elkington@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ELKINGTON] Emma Elizabeth Elkington 1829 - 1893 In a message dated 14/07/2009 03:52:28 GMT Daylight Time, relks@shaw.ca writes: Maybe there is a comma missing after GRE, I thought at first you had HIM married to Apsley Smith. It was GRE that had 14 children, and if his daughter duplicated the feat with Mr. Smith, as is reported in our records (but they are not listed), then this is a confirmation that AEHE / Christine is passing on what he received from Emilly Mary (EME), who passed in 1955 a few years before AEHE Bath book was published, and his notes about Wars branch appeared. Hi Rice Some confusion here which is my fault. George Richards Elkington had seven children - George of course, the second one, who died from an acute epileptic fit at 22 in 1850. Emma Elizabeth, his only vdaughter born in 1829 was the one married to Apsley Smith. AEHE records her with 14 children but I have diligently search e ery possible outlet but can only find ten. I am going to send you the page where it is recorded under Warwickshire Branch IVa but I have to do it off-list as you cannot send attachments with this letter. However George had a very lusty son called Howard whose children numbered 13. Only one didn't survive. Most of them ended their days in and around Coney and Rhyl in North Wales except Ernest Howard Elkington who went to Kenya and married an African girl. Perhaps this was where the misunderstanding about the number of children. Do you know why they always favoured North Wales. I know that mother moved to Kinsale Hall on the North Coast of Wales when Howard snr. died. I get much of my extra notes from the census, IGI and other modern helps. When masking AEHEs notes I always add my name to what I have found. Will forward relevant page for you and again it is available to anyone else who would like it. Kind regards, JUDY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Judy for the Ralph (1419) lineage, although it is quite a mix of places and times,,,mixing as it does, Ralph from Elkington, who died in Thorpe Mandeville (the SW area near Williamscote) and son William (1445) born same or nearby in Shawell and died in Williamscote (SW area), and Williams 'sons' who are listed as having been born in Lilbourne and Hillmorton, either side of the Great North Road in the 'Shawell (Elkington) to Wolston band, centered about Rugby. Now, I have not gotten further into it than this, but it is fabulous stuff that might seem to support the theory of dispersion of the family and certainly develops a link between Elkington / Shawell, and Willaimscote / Cropredy / Mollington, 20 or so miles SW of Elkington / Shawell. These Ralph references are tenuous in our record, perhaps AEHE developed them,, ? Must have been cooked up by a Wars Elk, :) ,,,, or maybe Joseph 'the Drainer' spoke the truth, and revealed family oral history when he said on seeing a cart at the Rugby market inscribed with "Elkington from Elkington",,,,,"That is where our family is from". Thanks again, JR -----Original Message----- From: JJupar@aol.com [mailto:JJupar@aol.com] Sent: July 12, 2009 2:05 AM To: relks@shaw.ca Subject: Family Tree In a message dated 07/07/2009 10:14:11 GMT Daylight Time Richard's(1553) son Thomas(1602) for the next edition. I have a web site reserved and it should become a high resolution map for quick reference across the widest swath of family history that I can map,,, up to the cutoff at living issue of course. Hi Rice, Hope the weather with you is better than ours. Give my regards to the family, it seems so long since we were at Stretton-on-Dunsmore. I wish I had met you as well. Just to say that there are some remarks about Thomas the Admiral at the top of your tree but I can assure you that I have the wills of him and his parents and according to some wonderful research done by Samantha Elkington and comparing it with the Visitations of Leicestershite and AEHEs notes, it shows him and his line as coming from Shawell and although bearing the name Richard starts at Shawell. I thought it might help. You will find the relevant Wills on www.elkingtonfamily.com Cheers, Judy.
Hi Judy, ,,, Maybe there is a comma missing after GRE, I thought at first you had HIM married to Apsley Smith. It was GRE that had 14 children, and if his daughter duplicated the feat with Mr. Smith, as is reported in our records (but they are not listed), then this is a confirmation that AEHE / Christine is passing on what he received from Emilly Mary (EME), who passed in 1955 a few years before AEHE Bath book was published, and his notes about Wars branch appeared. AEHE met/collaborated with great uncle Eric1893 (EHW) and perhaps it was him who transmitted our Wars record (there may be others) to AEHE, but EHW also privately published the record, and completed some of EMEs collection and research, so if AEHE notes are not as complete, then perhaps his notes were truncated or were all that EME had at the time. For example, about Apsley Smith: Does AEHE record that " HE was the fourth son of Benjamin Smith Esq. of Blackheath Park, Charlton, and later of Great Lodge, Tunbridge, Kent....." Otherwise, we didnt keep track of offspring of Elkington women, as they generally married and assumed other names, and their male heirs carried their husbands' Y-DNA(little did we know) and name so there must be a cutoff somewhere otherwise we should have two trees of all humanity starting from Adam and Eve, the warp and weft of human fabric,,,, Which is warp and which is weft depends on whether the social organisation is matrilineal or patrilineal. As a corollary, whichever is weft, has their traits diluted by the subsequent contributors to the 'designated' family genome and lineage, and in a generation or three substantially disassociate from the designated line. Amazing, as I flipped the EHW book about, (juggling my sockeye salmon dinner at the computer) a couple loose pages fell out with Lincolnshire branch listings. I envy the time you have to delve into this subject ever deeper..... regards, JR -----Original Message----- From: elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of JJupar@aol.com Sent: July 12, 2009 3:04 AM To: elkington@rootsweb.com Subject: [ELKINGTON] Emma Elizabeth Elkington 1829 - 1893 Hi Does anybody have any records of this person. She was the only daughter of George Richards Elkington who married Apsley Smith in 1849. Following the notes of AEHE I find that he reports 14 children. I have been looking in various places but can only find 10 children. Could anyone tell me about any more children. The ones I have are :- Rose Emma 1850 Amy 1853 Mabel 1857 Leonard A 1859 Blanche M. 1861 Millicent [Nellie] 1863 Edith 1865 Georgina E. 1866 Harold1867 Florence 1868 Many thanks, Regards Judy Elkington ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Does anybody have any records of this person. She was the only daughter of George Richards Elkington who married Apsley Smith in 1849. Following the notes of AEHE I find that he reports 14 children. I have been looking in various places but can only find 10 children. Could anyone tell me about any more children. The ones I have are :- Rose Emma 1850 Amy 1853 Mabel 1857 Leonard A 1859 Blanche M. 1861 Millicent [Nellie] 1863 Edith 1865 Georgina E. 1866 Harold1867 Florence 1868 Many thanks, Regards Judy Elkington
Been trying to track Steve Elkington for some time as he is Australian. Please let me know if you can connect him. Hope all are well. Best wishes, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Office of J.R.Elkington Nav.Arch." <relks@shaw.ca> To: <elkington@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [ELKINGTON] Monks Kirby > Hi Judy and Don, > > Well of course some NZ immigration came from the Bath branch through James > Goodall but most of the NZ contingent came from Geo Richard's (1801) > fourth > son Alfred John(1834) who as younger sons accepted remittances had > travelled > to Kenya, Italy, and NZ as farmers, wine merchants, etc. Having hosted NZ > relatives here in BC, and lived there for 3+ years myself, I can > understand > the attraction. In fact great G Father William Howard(1861) was on his > way > there to see his cousins when he stopped here to visit with his old nanny > from Frederick's (1826) household and fell for Vancouver Island. The > Aussies > are a more challenging lot to place ! But I think we will find Steve the > golfer, his family resemblance too distinct to ignore. > > So, there is a bit of 'human' perspective to all the charting and > research. > > regards, JR > > -----Original Message----- > From: elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of JJupar@aol.com > Sent: July 6, 2009 8:49 AM > To: don_@lkington.me.uk; ELKINGTON@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ELKINGTON] Monks Kirby > > > > In a message dated 06/07/2009 14:35:53 GMT Daylight Time, > don_@lkington.me.uk writes: > > > I would be interested to know whether further amendments have become > neccessary - e.g. in New Zealand. > > > Hi Don, > > There have been several additions in New Zealand many of which have come > to > me from the Maori Branches in New zealand. I also have several updates > on Australia. I shall be publishing them all shortly when I have > finished AEHE's notes with the additions. > > Regards > > Judy Elkington > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Thanks Don, I see what you mean,,,,William 1430 by AEHE being a record of transaction later in life. The John (1460) was also mentioned as having a grandson John, which might tie him in as father of Richard(~1510) who's first son was John(1535). Being so far away and preoccupied with work and family will take its toll on my ability to research so I really am happy that you and Judy and others are on top of untangling the strings of connection in the family,,,,,, to past especially, as the present, although more numerous, is so much easier with all the record keeping. Sometime for the past we will also be able to count on help from deep DNA counts to refine the connections, although the difference between grands and great grands may not be terrifically discernable at seven or hight hundred years but can surely bridge a gap or two in the records, such as they are. -----Original Message----- From: elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:elkington-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Don Elkington Sent: July 6, 2009 11:20 PM To: Rootsweb Post to Subject: Re: [ELKINGTON] Monks Kirby Hi JR, I have a comment re your - >Richard (~1510) who was likely the son of John(1460) tenant of Bishop of Lincoln, Marsh Hill, >Cropredy and grandson of William(~1420) who recieved a grant of land from John Danvers1445 near >Williamscote (near Cropredy). Judy informed us of a new record re William. It is it unlikely that power of attorney would have been given to a minor (viz. date ), and it make it more likely Richard was a great grand son, if indeed) related "1st January 1430. Power of attorney by John Danvers of Cothrop, William Breton & John Kent, clerks, Henry Ffrebody, Richard Moorton and John Warner to William Elkynton and Peter Austeyn for delivery, in accordance with a charter, to John Cosyn of Williamscote of seisin of pasture in Williamscote." I was interested in John a tenant of the Bishop of LIncoln, whom you metion. Another Lincolnshire Elkington held land in Gloucestershire (Robert at Eyecote). It seems we cannot discount the possibilty that the Cropredy line may have been have come from one of the remnants of the Lincolnshire family who scattered in the 1400's, following military service to the House of Lancaster. Don ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ELKINGTON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi JR, I have a comment re your - >Richard (~1510) who was likely the son of John(1460) tenant of Bishop of Lincoln, Marsh Hill, >Cropredy and grandson of William(~1420) who recieved a grant of land from John Danvers1445 near >Williamscote (near Cropredy). Judy informed us of a new record re William. It is it unlikely that power of attorney would have been given to a minor (viz. date ), and it make it more likely Richard was a great grand son, if indeed) related "1st January 1430. Power of attorney by John Danvers of Cothrop, William Breton & John Kent, clerks, Henry Ffrebody, Richard Moorton and John Warner to William Elkynton and Peter Austeyn for delivery, in accordance with a charter, to John Cosyn of Williamscote of seisin of pasture in Williamscote." I was interested in John a tenant of the Bishop of LIncoln, whom you metion. Another Lincolnshire Elkington held land in Gloucestershire (Robert at Eyecote). It seems we cannot discount the possibilty that the Cropredy line may have been have come from one of the remnants of the Lincolnshire family who scattered in the 1400's, following military service to the House of Lancaster. Don
In a message dated 07/07/2009 04:41:48 GMT Daylight Time, iang@grapevine.com.au writes: Been trying to track Steve Elkington for some time as he is Australian. Please let me know if you can connect him. Hi So have I. But I have had to give up for the moment. Let me know if yopu find anything. Regards Judy Elkington
In a message dated 07/07/2009 04:32:32 GMT Daylight Time, relks@shaw.ca writes: In any case, I am still re-organising the tree in wide format to better accomodate the breadth of the family and trust you concur and so will find yourself there, from Richard's(1553) son Thomas(1602) for the next edition. I have a web site reserved and it should become a high resolution map for quick reference across the widest swath of family history that I can map,,, up to the cutoff at living issue of course. What do you two you think,,, should I be a bit more conservative and stop a generation shy of the living? Hi Rice, I have realised and am dealing with my error about the Williams. I often refer to the lovely tree sent me but as it is so large I have to put it in four quarters on the computer to be able to read it. I usually stop publishing people after 1925 birth because I think most of them are probably dead. Some people don't mind but I try and ask first. By the way were you aware of the long line of Army soldiers descending from James Goodall Elkington of Bath. I am still in touch with one of that family and he supplied most of the information and photographs for my story on Lt. Col. John Ford Elkington, D.S.O. Regards Judy Elkington