John, our lines converge at Joel ELAM. I correspond with a cousin in Arizona. We are trying to confirm the tie from Joel back to John, Jr. When you say (likely) by John Jr.'s name, do you mean the dates or the tie? Do you have any proof of the tie from Joel to John, Jr.? If so, would you be willing to share the info? It would be a breakthrough to have some solid info on this tie. Thanks much. Happy Hunting, Mary (Brown) Kunkle Midlothian, TX Researching surnames-Beck, Benton, Brown, Elam, Forkner, Hogue, Kennedy, Kinnard, Kunkle(el), Shelhammer, Smith, Taylor, Wagley (Waggley/Wegley) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]