Celia, I think the Mary Agner m. to John Smathers is the daughter of John Aginder/Aegner, son of Henry Aginder, Sr. John also had a daughter, Catherine Agner m. Jacob Swink. They were named in the will of Henry, Sr because John was already deceased. In 'Family Tree Maker's Family Archives World Family Tree Vol 17, pre-1600 to present' Tree #1618 I find this information: John (Smither) Smathers b. December 17, 1781 in Rowan Co, NC; d. February 10, 1825 in Haywood County, NC; m. Abt. 1803 Mary Agner b. Abt. 1776; d. November 28, 1868 in Haywood County, NC. Parents of John Smathers: William Jr Smitter b. WFT Est. 1730-1759; d. WFT Est. 1782-1822. Parents of Mary Agner: John Agendar b. WFT Est. 1725-1754; d. WFT Est. 1777-1817; m. Unknown WFT Est. 1749-1796. List the five children the same as on the internet site. Can give more information on them. I think this is a match, do you? Celia #2 -----Original Message----- From: Celia, Ritch, & Beth [mailto:hartmann@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 6:42 AM To: EGNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [EGNER] Smathers line of NC Got this through the PML Service. Please note this is a two part message that I have cut and paste the more pertinent parts. There are a few references to Mary Agner Smathers and to Catherine Rough Agner's parents. ---Celia :o) Source: SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SMOTHERS] Henry and John SMITHER/SMATHERS/etc. Descendants of William SMITHER and Anna Catharina ______? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 1-William SMITHER (abt 1736-1823) sp: Anna Catharina _____? (-) 2-Catharina Barbara SMITHER (2 May 1764-) sp: _____? MILLER (-) 2-Elizabetha (Betsy) SMITHER (23 Nov 1770-) sp: _____? CRAIZLO (-) sp: William GRUNKLEN (-) 2-Johann Jacob SMITHER (7 Feb 1772-1815/16) sp: Katherine DEW (-) 2-Conrad SMITHER (9 Feb 1774-bef 1816) 2-Henry SMITHER (30 Oct 1775-14 Jun 1856)<<<<< 2-Mary Polly (Molly) SMITHER (abt 1779-) sp: John HARTMAN (-) 2-Susannah SMITHER (bet 1763 and 1774-Aug 1815) sp: John ROUGH (Sep 1763-) 2-Eve SMITHER (1780-) sp: John BASENGER (-) 2-Johannes (John) SMETTERS (17 Dec 1781-1825) sp: Mary AGNER (1776-28 Nov 1868) 3-Eisig (Isaac) SMATHERS (7 Feb 1804-23 Oct 1835) 3-Yorg (George) SMATHERS (9 Sep 1807-24 Jun 1894) 3-Jesse SMATHERS (19 Dec 1811-20 Feb 1879) 3-Levi SMATHERS (9 Sep 1817-WFT Est. 1787-1899) 3-Charlie (Charley) SMATHERS (21 Jul 1819-8 Dec 1906) 2-Margaret (Peggy) SMITHER (1786-) 2-Christina SMITHER (abt 1790-) sp: Jacob LENTZ (-) sp: Margaret LENTZ (-) 2-Teny Lentz SMITHER (aft 1809-) Mitzi Smetters <msmetters@ncweb.com> Visit our CyberHome at <www.ncweb.com/users/msmetters> Researching: SMETTERS (Smothers, Smethers, Smither, etc.), FRAMPTON, COMPTON, SHONKWILER, SATINOVER, TOVROG ========================================== > >Betty Ralph <bralph@HiWAAY.net> sent me some very interesting items about >Henry and John, sons of William SMITHER (b. abt 1736 in Pennsylvania) and >Anna Catharina). The material is from the Dec 1997 "Journal of the >Genealogical Society of Rowan County, North Carolina which was included the >stamped Smither Archives, 9510 Woodley Ave., Silver Spring, MD 20910: > >page 159: > >"In Memory - Henry SMITHER (alias Smathers), who was the Senior Elder of >the >WNC branches of the Smathers family and who was known as the Sage of >Balsam, >died on June 14, 1856 at his Summit Home astride the Haywood and Jackson >County line. He was the second son of WILLIAM SMITHER II (1736-1823) who >migrated in 1774 from Low Hill Township, Northampton County, Penn., to >Rowan >County, N.C. where Henry was born the following year (1775). He was the >grandson of William SMITHER I, a person of British origin, who died in >Albany Township, Berks County, Penn., in 1760 leaving a Will naming his 7 >sons and 3 daughters. Near the end of the War of 1812, Henry and his >younger brother, John (wife Mary AGNER), migrated to Haywood County (which >then included Jackson). There they dropped their British surname (Smither) >and adopted the alias surname Smathers. Early Jackson County kin included >names: Fullbright, Snyder and Liner." > >Also on page 159 was the mention that Mary Hartman, Eva Barringer, Susanah >Rough, and Elizabeth Craiglow died during the 1807 Rowan Co., North >Carolina >death plague leaving a total of 22 children. They were the married >daughters of William Smither of Rowan county and sisters of the two Smither >brothers (John and Henry) who settled in Haywood Co. > >Page 160 has a newspaper clipping about Henry Smathers from "The >Mountaineer, Waynesville, N.C." (no date) saying about the same things. It >mentions ; that Henry moved to Lincoln County in 1809, that in 1814 he >became associated with the Fullbrights who were dealers in Haywood County >lands and encouraged his brother John and others from Rowan County to go to >Haywood where good land was becoming vacant and available at good prices; >and that his brother John who died 1825 was married Mary Agner. > >_____________________________________________ >Betty also sent me a list of William SMITHER and Anna Catharina's children. >It is similar to the one sent to me a while back by Steve SMOTHERS but I do >not know if the info came from the same sources: > >Descendants of William SMITHER >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >--- >1-William SMITHER (abt 1736-1823) >1st wife: Anna Catharina _____? (-) > 2-Catharina Barbara SMITHER (2 May 1764-) > 2-Elizabetha (Betsy) SMITHER (23 Nov 1770-) > 2-Johann Jacob SMITHER (7 Feb 1772-1815/16) > 2-John SMETTERS (1773) <<<<<<<<<< > 2-Conrad SMITHER (9 Feb 1774-bef 1816) > 2-Henry SMITHER (30 Oct 1775-14 Jun 1856) > 2-Mary Polly (Molly) SMITHER (abt 1779-) > 2-Susannah SMITHER (bet 1763 and 1774-Aug 1815) > 2-Eve SMITHER (1780-) > 2-Margaret (Peggy) SMITHER (1786-) > 2-Christina SMITHER (abt 1790-) >2nd wife: Margaret LENTZ (-) (2nd wife of William SMITHERS > 2-Teny Lentz SMITHER (aft 1809-) > > >Note that this list has conflicts with the info in from the "Journal of the >Genealogical Society of Rowan County, North Carolina" cited above in regard >to Henry being the SECOND son of WILLIAM SMITHER . . . and his YOUNGER >brother, John (who married Mary AGNER). According to the descendancy charts >I have from Steve SMOTHERS and Betty RALPH, Henry is the THIRD son and John >is OLDER. > >Now, if instead of the17 DEC 1773 date, we use John's birth date of 17 >Dec >1781 as given by Sadie Smathers Patton in her book "Smathers from Yadkin >Valley to Pigeon River: Smathers and Agner families" (LDS CALL NUMBER: >US/CAN FILM AREA 145459 Item #4-published in 1954 in North Carolina) it >would work out OK--John would be born after Henry and thus be younger and >make Henry the second son. > >Patton's book shows that John was sometimes called Johannes. This could >mean >that Johann and John actually are the same person, but I doubt it if the >info provided from the magazine/journal is correct. Betty also has a wife >for Johann Jacob SMITHER (7 Feb 1772-1815/16): Katherine DEW whose name was >given to her by another researcher. With different birth dates, wives, and >death dates, it seems that two different men are involved. > >Perhaps the family used the German custom of sometimes given the same first >name to children, and then calling them by their middle name. This happened >in the earlier generation with George Nicholas (who was know as George) and >his younger brother George Jacob (who was know as Jacob). Since there are >wives' names for both Johan and John, they must be two different men. Note >that Johan has the middle name of Jacob, which I have not found associated >with the man called John. (I suspect that somewhere along the way somebody >transcribed Johan's date of 07/02/1772 as 17/12/1773 but accidentally >increasing some of the digits by +1 and then someone gave the date to John >since it did not fit Johan and that they did not have the date of John's >birth that Patton provided in her book. > >If you have not seen Patton's book, it has a lot a interesting info, >pictures, and insights into the family of John SMATHERS and Mary ANGER. It >shows pages from their Bible (everything written in German) with his name >as >Johannes SMETTERS. She only refers to them as SMATHERS coming from SMETTER >(or SMETTERS), never as SMITHER. The articles provided by Betty Ralph >refers to the Henry and John's line as from England. However Patton's book >asserts they were Germans who were originally from the Palatine area, who >probably migrated to England before coming to America. Since the family was >VERY German in all that they did in America (where they lived, who them >married, the language they used), it seems that their German background was >well established no matter where they originated. I have found no records >so far showing them as coming on any ship from England or Germany -- I >don't >know if we will ever know the place of origin for sure. >I hope to hear from some of your regarding any additional info, insights, >or >ideas regarding this connection with the North Carolina branch of the >family. > >Mitzi Smetters ><msmetters@ncweb.com> >Visit our CyberHome at ><www.ncweb.com/users/msmetters> > >Researching: SMETTERS (Smothers, Smethers, Smither, etc.), FRAMPTON, >COMPTON, SHONKWILER, SATINOVER, TOVROG > > ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== Post your Queries, Bible Records, Bios, Deeds, Obits, Pensions, and Wills on the appropriate GenConnect Board: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/#gc ============================== Free Web space. 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