hey there cousin.. i come from this john sr<john jr grandson of ludwig>like several other people do on this list... the only thing we need for too prove were related too this branch is documentation that john jr is archibald's father.... we have john showing up i n the monroe co. tax list about 1824 though 1830 then completely disappears on us... once we find this out then we have everything else we need on the family just about expect for solving a few small mysteries.. if you get into the dar on this family let us know im trying to get me and my sister in the dar..... im just afaird the only thing that will hold us back will be documentation on archibald and his connect to the agner family... we have several deeds we got maryland this past year... including the one i found at the state archives that mentioned all of ludwigs childern in it just about and his wife... the only one's not listed were benedict and henry...found it uner his daughters marriages.... its long story..... we have the census records for them in 1790 and 1800 in washington co. md... but still cant find any marriages or mirth certificates on any of them... they probably got all burned up in the civil war....<grr> thats about it for know.....lets keep each other posted on what we find on them..... patsy :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com