--part1_df.13696bf.25d60803_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Fanny Agner, daught, of Jacob and Mary Agner ATT:Celia 1 and Vaughn --part1_df.13696bf.25d60803_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <zuelsdorf@cybertime.net> Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:22:58 -0500 Received: from cybertime.net (mail.cybertime.net [207.155.11.64]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:22:32 -0500 Received: from default [207.155.84.106] by cybertime.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AB6F4A903FC; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:17:35 -0800 Message-ID: <00dc01bf744e$f72c2600$44549bcf@default> From: "zuelsdorf" <zuelsdorf@cybertime.net> To: <NSchear@aol.com> References: <b1.19f7dcd.25d4e205@aol.com> Subject: Re: thanks Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:14:02 -0800 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hi Kathy, Did you want that 1880 Census info on James? Unfortunately, I don't have the 1870 Census and out of curiosity, I checked the 1850 and there were no Agner/Egner at all. In the 1880, there were no Egner, but there are 3 Agners and they are all living with a Wilbur F Wigner. It's possible that there are yours if you know any of Fanny's sister's names. Living with Wilbur F and Elizabeth (age 42) are William Agner age 11 (listed as nephew); Jacob Agner, age 67 father-in-law, and Mary A Agner, age 64 mother-in-law. Do you know if Fanny had an older sister Elizabeth? Could Jacob and Mary be Fannie's grandparents? Wilbur and his extended family lived in Coal dist also. What do you think? I'll be happy to send the census listing if you want it. Mariana ----- Original Message ----- From: <NSchear@aol.com> To: <zuelsdorf@cybertime.net> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:54 PM Subject: thanks Re: James A. Wright Thank you for all your work lkg. at all 3 censuses. I didn't realize you had all three. What a help! These are exactly correct.Thank you so much. In 1870, Hannah F. or Fanny Agner/Egner was suppossedly living with grandparents in Craigmoor,harrison,Co.I know I"m supposed to have a specfic first name, but I don't know her grandparents first names. In the 1870 census,(coal district) do you see any Agner/Egner names at all? If this is too general, just forget it and don't worry about it. Thanks Again, kathy in Cincy --part1_df.13696bf.25d60803_boundary--

--part1_11.10823bd.25d606ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vaughn- RE:Fanny Agner, daughter of Jacob and Mary AGner, Harrison CO. WVAWOW-look at this! Did you already have this. She is sending it to me. This is just great, and explains alot. Hope we can find when and where Jacob and Mary died and are buried. I"m still wky. on it . See other mail. Hannah F., Fanny ,was born in 1858. and 5-29-1944 at age 87. This explains why did not appear on the Clay Twp. of Ritchie CO., WV census of 1970. The youngest child listed then was b. 1855. The Harrison Co. look-up volunterrs have been so helpful. Waiting to hear form you, Kathy --part1_11.10823bd.25d606ce_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <zuelsdorf@cybertime.net> Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:22:58 -0500 Received: from cybertime.net (mail.cybertime.net [207.155.11.64]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v67_b1.24) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:22:32 -0500 Received: from default [207.155.84.106] by cybertime.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AB6F4A903FC; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:17:35 -0800 Message-ID: <00dc01bf744e$f72c2600$44549bcf@default> From: "zuelsdorf" <zuelsdorf@cybertime.net> To: <NSchear@aol.com> References: <b1.19f7dcd.25d4e205@aol.com> Subject: Re: thanks Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:14:02 -0800 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hi Kathy, Did you want that 1880 Census info on James? Unfortunately, I don't have the 1870 Census and out of curiosity, I checked the 1850 and there were no Agner/Egner at all. In the 1880, there were no Egner, but there are 3 Agners and they are all living with a Wilbur F Wigner. It's possible that there are yours if you know any of Fanny's sister's names. Living with Wilbur F and Elizabeth (age 42) are William Agner age 11 (listed as nephew); Jacob Agner, age 67 father-in-law, and Mary A Agner, age 64 mother-in-law. Do you know if Fanny had an older sister Elizabeth? Could Jacob and Mary be Fannie's grandparents? Wilbur and his extended family lived in Coal dist also. What do you think? I'll be happy to send the census listing if you want it. Mariana ----- Original Message ----- From: <NSchear@aol.com> To: <zuelsdorf@cybertime.net> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 7:54 PM Subject: thanks Re: James A. Wright Thank you for all your work lkg. at all 3 censuses. I didn't realize you had all three. What a help! These are exactly correct.Thank you so much. In 1870, Hannah F. or Fanny Agner/Egner was suppossedly living with grandparents in Craigmoor,harrison,Co.I know I"m supposed to have a specfic first name, but I don't know her grandparents first names. In the 1870 census,(coal district) do you see any Agner/Egner names at all? If this is too general, just forget it and don't worry about it. Thanks Again, kathy in Cincy --part1_11.10823bd.2

Celia, in 1860 a John T Grubbs from Virginia age 64 lived almost next door to my Mother side of the family, Quick, Johnson and Egner...he has a son Benjamin F Grubbs born ky 1843. Sound like they may have know some Egners/// the name Grubbs is common in Marshall Co Ky..In 1850 census a Thurston Grubbs age 56 Va with a Thomas in household age 72 va... Claude At 10:25 AM 2/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >Evelyn, > >This is the one. I am sure the gentlemen will be interested in this story. > >I love little tales like this -- makes the people more than just a birth >and death date. I wish I had been interested in genealogy when my >grandparents were alive to hear stories such as these. We have one on each >side left now -- one with a good memory and one not so good. I'm always >badgering them about the past! > >I wish we knew more about that Viriginia connection! Thanks for sharing >this, you'll have to send it again if/when the other researcher joins >s. ---Celia :o) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Evelyn E. Watson <evelynw@mindspring.com> >To: <EGNER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 9:27 AM >Subject: Re: [EGNER] Grubb-Egner, NC and Whitley Co KY > > >> The only later marriage of an Egner to a Grubb that I have was Elizabeth >> (Lizzie) Egner to Andrew Jackson (Jack) Grubb. Lizzie was the daughter >of >> Jacob and the granddaughter of Samuel and Mary (Polly) Grubb Egner. They >> had seven children, several of whom were born in North Carolina, but >Lizzie >> and Jack died in Whitley County. My father Edgar Egner remembered both >of >> them well. He said that their twins Cora and Sedelia were born in North >> Carolina while they were traveling to Kentucky in a covered wagon. >> >> They must have had some connection with Virginia because I remember my >> grandmother telling about once when Aunt Lizzie got mad at Uncle Jack >she >> left him and rode horseback to Virginia where she stayed for awhile with >> family there. >> >> They have a lot of descendants in Whitley County. >> >> Evelyn Egner Watson > > > >==== EGNER Mailing List ==== >Post your Queries, Bible Records, Bios, Deeds, Obits, >Pensions, and Wills on the appropriate GenConnect Board: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/#gc > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

Celia, When you mentioned that it would be nice to know about the Virginia connection, I went back to my records and found that Uncle Jack and Aunt Lizzie's son Samuel Grubb married Mary Emma McAmis in Wise Co., VA, 6 Feb 1896. He must have continued to live there for some time because they had children born in Wise Co. This may have been where the family lived that Aunt Lizzie went to stay with. Does that ring any bells? Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Celia, Ritch, & Beth <hartmann@bright.net> To: <EGNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [EGNER] Grubb-Egner, NC and Whitley Co KY > Evelyn, > > This is the one. I am sure the gentlemen will be interested in this story. > > I love little tales like this -- makes the people more than just a birth > and death date. I wish I had been interested in genealogy when my > grandparents were alive to hear stories such as these. We have one on each > side left now -- one with a good memory and one not so good. I'm always > badgering them about the past! > > I wish we knew more about that Viriginia connection! Thanks for sharing > this, you'll have to send it again if/when the other researcher joins > s. ---Celia :o) > > > ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== > Post your Queries, Bible Records, Bios, Deeds, Obits, > Pensions, and Wills on the appropriate GenConnect Board: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/#gc > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Evelyn- Do you have the siblings of Lizzie listed?

Evelyn, This is the one. I am sure the gentlemen will be interested in this story. I love little tales like this -- makes the people more than just a birth and death date. I wish I had been interested in genealogy when my grandparents were alive to hear stories such as these. We have one on each side left now -- one with a good memory and one not so good. I'm always badgering them about the past! I wish we knew more about that Viriginia connection! Thanks for sharing this, you'll have to send it again if/when the other researcher joins s. ---Celia :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: Evelyn E. Watson <evelynw@mindspring.com> To: <EGNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [EGNER] Grubb-Egner, NC and Whitley Co KY > The only later marriage of an Egner to a Grubb that I have was Elizabeth > (Lizzie) Egner to Andrew Jackson (Jack) Grubb. Lizzie was the daughter of > Jacob and the granddaughter of Samuel and Mary (Polly) Grubb Egner. They > had seven children, several of whom were born in North Carolina, but Lizzie > and Jack died in Whitley County. My father Edgar Egner remembered both of > them well. He said that their twins Cora and Sedelia were born in North > Carolina while they were traveling to Kentucky in a covered wagon. > > They must have had some connection with Virginia because I remember my > grandmother telling about once when Aunt Lizzie got mad at Uncle Jack she > left him and rode horseback to Virginia where she stayed for awhile with > family there. > > They have a lot of descendants in Whitley County. > > Evelyn Egner Watson

The only later marriage of an Egner to a Grubb that I have was Elizabeth (Lizzie) Egner to Andrew Jackson (Jack) Grubb. Lizzie was the daughter of Jacob and the granddaughter of Samuel and Mary (Polly) Grubb Egner. They had seven children, several of whom were born in North Carolina, but Lizzie and Jack died in Whitley County. My father Edgar Egner remembered both of them well. He said that their twins Cora and Sedelia were born in North Carolina while they were traveling to Kentucky in a covered wagon. They must have had some connection with Virginia because I remember my grandmother telling about once when Aunt Lizzie got mad at Uncle Jack she left him and rode horseback to Virginia where she stayed for awhile with family there. They have a lot of descendants in Whitley County. Evelyn Egner Watson ----- Original Message ----- From: Celia, Ritch, & Beth <hartmann@bright.net> To: <EGNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 7:37 AM Subject: [EGNER] Grubb-Egner, NC and Whitley Co KY > Hello NC and KY researchers: > > Dig out what you know on the Egners and Grubbs. I got an email through > Rootsweb's PML service with info I don't remember seeing before. Seems > there's a later connection with the Grubbs and Egners from NC and > Whitley--later than the Sam and Polly (Grubb) Egner one. > > I've invited the researcher to our list and am hoping he jumps on board. > I'll wait a few days and if he doesn't, I will post his message to the list > so that anyone may respond to him directly. > > --Celia Hartmann :o) > > > > ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Egner/Agner resource page: > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/ > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Hello NC and KY researchers: Dig out what you know on the Egners and Grubbs. I got an email through Rootsweb's PML service with info I don't remember seeing before. Seems there's a later connection with the Grubbs and Egners from NC and Whitley--later than the Sam and Polly (Grubb) Egner one. I've invited the researcher to our list and am hoping he jumps on board. I'll wait a few days and if he doesn't, I will post his message to the list so that anyone may respond to him directly. --Celia Hartmann :o)

Claude Nimmo on this list sent me pages of this book, concerning the Desha line (one Desha descendent married an Egner of Arkansas). A long but interesting read. All typos are mine. All comments in [ ] are mine. ---Celia :o) >From the book: Pioneers and Makers of Arkansas by: Mr Josiah H Shinn 1849-1917. Published 1908 Little Rock Ar pages 331 - 337 Chapter XXXIX The Deshas [skipped: several paragraphs on population, which mentions no surnames] Influence of a Name It is interesting to note not only the trend of population, but the influence which a single name often bears upon the community to which it attaches. The Huguenots were a wise, temperate, frugal and most accomplished set of people in south France, who contributed most largely to the glory of France, and who attached themselves to the Protestant cause. Catholic France made a great mistake in so prosecuting these Huguenots as to force them to leave their native home for a refuge in the wilds of America. Persecution always reacts upon itself and the Catholics have not been the only persecutors. Protestant New England drove the Baptists from their midst; Protestant Virginia persecuted Quakers, Methodists, and Baptists, and so on to the end. One body of these thrifty and cultured Huguenots from France found a home at Manakintown, Viriginia, and developed a community from which some of the ablest men and families of the United States have sprung. It gave the Deshas, Duvalls, Jordans and others to Arkansas, families which have at all times been a decided acquisition to territorial and State growth. Old Ben Desha of Manakintown, was a refined industrious and learned man, descended from an illustrious line of French-men. His sons and daughters became Americans in every sense of the word, and a grandson, Joseph Desha, a general in the United States army and governor of Kentucky. This grand old man sent four sons and daughters into the territory of Arkansas, every one of whom was a tower of strength in the community to which he or she went. His oldest son was named Benjamin, Kentucky born, who in 1812 was made a first lieutenant in the Seventeenth Infantry, which appointment was not confirmed by the United States Senate. In the next year he was confirmed as a third lieutenant in the First Regiment of Light Dragoons; in the next year he was advanced to the grade of captain in the Second Regiment of the United States Rifles. The traditions of Captain Ben Desha are still cherished by Kentuckians, who are descended from soldiers of these regiments. He resigned in 1815 to accept a seat in the legislature of Kentucky, where he won a position almost as distinguished as that of his illustrious father. In 1822 President Monroe offered him the receivership of public moneys of the terrritory of Arkansas, which position he accepted, and whose duties he performed honorably and well for many years. The thrift of the Huguenots never deserted him, nor did their refinement of manners. Deshas of Arkansas Old Captain Desha of early Arkansas history was a man of whom all Arkansans were justly proud. He was a Whig of the most pronounced type, but was universally admired by the Democrats. In the unfortunate duel between Crittendon and Conway, Desha acted as second for Mr. Crittendon, and no man exhibited a more genuine grief for the death of his friend than did Captain Desha. He acquired wealth in the territory of his adoption, and died November 21, 1835, universally respected and admired. A county in the State, in whose confines he lived an honored man when it was a territorial part of another division, bears his name today. Of a second son, Robert Desha, also a captain in the United States army, we have already given a partial account [must be in a different part of the book]. While stationed at Norfolk, Viriginia, with his regiment he became acquanted with Frances Ann Ferebe, a daughter of one of the most aristocratic families of that city. Captain Robert Desha was soon tranferred to the Marine Corps, with headquarters alternating between Helena, Arkansas and New Orleans, Louisana. His accomplished wife came with him to the territory in 1819, and the thrift of the family was never better exemplified than in the case of Captain Robert Desha. He died November 6, 1822, one of the richest men in the territory. George Ferebe, brother of Mrs. Robert Desha, moved to Helena in 1820, and for many years was one of the leading citizens of that pioneer town. A sister of Captain Desha, coming to Arkansas from Kentucky to visit her brother, was wooed and won by George Ferebe, and one child Richard Montgomery Ferebe, blessed this union. This boy died in early manhood, and the name Ferebe became extinct in Arkansas, and is almost extinct at its old seating place, Norfolk, Viriginia. Such is the fate of individuals and such is the fate of names. They rise, are glorified and then sink into oblivion and decay. The widow of Captain Robert Desha, within two years after the death of her husband, was married the second time to Captain Hartwell Boswell, one of the most distinguished men of Batesville, Arkansas. Another daughter of Captain Robert Desha of Kentucky, while on a visit to Mrs. Boswell at Batesville, captivated the affections of Joseph Egner, a pioneer of Batesville from 1818. Four children blessed this union, Elvira Fowler Egner, Henry Egner, Viriginia Egner, and Cornelius Egner. These and their descendents contributed largely to the wealth and refinement of early Independence County, and are now scattered through seven or eight counties of the State. Captain Robert Desha, who married Frances Ann Ferebe, left two children, Franklin W. Desha and Margaret Frances Desha, whose descendents ramify all eastern Arkansas, and whose life work has contributed largely to the better interests of the State. Franklin W. Desha at Batesville, married Elizabeth Searcy, the sister of Richard Searcy, one of the best lawyers of early days. The children of this marriage where Robert, Benjamin, Stonewall, Mary and Lizzie, all of whom lived to be men and women, doing a great life work, but only one of them, Lizzie, became entangled in matrimony. Robert was sheriff of the county in later days, as was his uncle, Joe Egner, in early days. I believe that all these children are dead, except Ben, and the name Desha, so far as Arkansas is concerned, has also become extinct. The blook of Franklin W. Desha, however, is carried down to posterity through Lizzie, who married a prominient citizen of Independence County. State's Most Beautiful Woman. The second child of Robert and Frances Ann Desha was a daughter, Margaret Frances, who married twice, each time to a distinguished citizen of Batesville. Margaret as well as her brother, Franklin W. Desha, was born at the Washington Navy Yar. She was educated at Ellicott City, Maryland, the seat then of the greatest female educational institution of the State. She was a most accomplished woman, as was her classmate, Lucretia Ringgold, the most beautiful woman of early Arkansas history, daughter of an accomplished jurist, Judge Ringgold, and wife of that greatest of early Arkansas writers, Fent Noland, the wandering comet of the literary sky. When Margaret Frances Desha returned to Batesville, the most accomplished woman of the town, she was wooed and won by William French Dention, a distinguished lawyer of Batesville, and a gift of Tennesse to Arkansas growth. Several children followed this marriage, namely, Frances Jane, Franklin Desha, Elvira Fowler and William French. Of one of these children, Franklin Desha, Arkansas may well be proud. For years he was the central figure in the newspaper life of the State, and no one has contributed more to its development than F. D. Denton. He established the Batesville Bee, which had a long and successful existence, and then the Batesville Guard, now controlled by that accomplished gentleman Edward Givens. not to have known F.D. Denton from 1870 to 1890 was to acknowledge yourself comparatively unknown. William French Denton, his brother, dedicated his young life to the Southern cuase and was killed at his post. Margaret Frances (Desha) Denton took for a second husband that distinguished gentlemen, Judge Buford H. Neely of Batesville, and had several children. The first child, Mary Euphenia Neely, married Mark Wycough, well known throughout Independence COunty and the adjacent counties. The second child was Elizabeth Egner Neely, who married J. D. Vance, an accomplished scholar from Tennesse, now engaged in literary work in Washington, D.C. There is no better woman living than Elizabeth Egner Vance, and in her advanced age she remains a distiguished example of the refinement, the courtesy and the intelligence of the old Huguenot Deshas, with the strength which has come thorugh the new lines of blood, the Ferebes and Neeleys. The third child of Margaret Frances Neely by her last marriage was Esther Ann, who at Batesville made two ventures in matrimony, her first husband being James Ellis, and her second, George Emmert. Absalom Fowler, a Viriginia lawyer, moved to Little Rock in the twenties, and acquired a position second to that of no lawyer of early Arkansas days. He ranked with Chester Ashley, and was a tower of strength to any cause to which he lent his influence. He held legislative positions and was one of the most prominent members of the Arkansas Constitutional Convention. Colonel Bowell, by his first wife, had a daughter named Elvira, who became the wife of Absalom Fowler, but was never the mother of children. In this way the name Fowler, so far as it pertains to this distinguished line, became extint in Arkansas. Thus three names, the Deshas, the Ferebes and the Folwers have come into Arkansas life, have entangled themselves with all its stupendous problems, have contributed manfully to their solution, adding dignity and grace to its social institutions, and have passed out without leaving the name as a present inheritance to the State. These names, so far as their relations to these lines are concerned, are extinct, but the blood of the Deshas still runs in the veins of hundreds of Arkansas men and women, and to the last drop, wherever it may be found, carries an assurance of honesty, refinement, energy and intelligence. In these devious ways and by these tortuos methods is the great problems of civilization carried forward to mastery. A Bad Year for the Deshas November 6 will ever be remembered sorrowfully by the Desha family. On that day in 1822 Captian Robert M. Desha of the United States army, and a native of Kentucky, living at Helena, died of yellow fever at New Orleans. On November 6, 1823, Mrs. Rachel Harriett Boswell, wife of Colonel Hartwell Boswell of Batesville, and daughter of General Joseph Desha of Kentucky, died at her home in Batesville. Robert M. Desha was a most excellent army office and also a splended business man. Administration was granted his wife Frances Ann Desha, and George N. Ferebe, at Helena, in February, 1825. He owned ninety lots in Helena, besides about an equal number in Davidsonville, Batesville and Little Rock. His inventory took a column in the Gazette. He was also the owner of large bodies of land in several counties of the State. Colonel Boswell was the appointee of President Monroe to the Lawrence Land Office, which position he held for many years. He was also a member of the Arkansas legislature and a most capable man. He was for years colonel of the Seventh Arkansas regiment of militia and an honor to the position. On July 1, 1829, Colonel Boswell took a trip to Kentucky and for the second time carried away from the residence of General and ex-Governor Joseph Desha a wife. The first time he took the general's daughter; the second time, his daughter-in-law. He married Mrs. Frances Ann Desha, widow of Captain Robert M. Desha, of the United States Marine Corps, and returned to Batesville, where his wife formed one of the leaders of early Batesville society, at that time the most exclusive society in the State. Colonel Noland had lived there for many years with his Viriginia wife, imported a refinement and courtesy which attracted to Batesville some of the best people of the early days. Colonel Boswell died January 13, 1833. ========== end excerpt from Pioneers and Makers of Arkansas

Hi, Celia, I have appreciated being able to read all the correspondence about the Egnor/Agnor line. Until (and IF) if ever find out who my grandfather's (Charles Fletcher Cummings--his mother Harriet Emma Cummings later married Samuel Agnor) biological father was, I think I will unsubscribe for now. I am actively pursuing a number of other lines, and I can barely keep up with the other e-mails I get. Please continue to feel free to e-mail me with questions regarding Rockbridge Co.,VA. I have recently joined their genealogical society, and I will be happy to dig around on behalf of all of you who have an interest. Thank you all for sharing! Greer Cummmings Stene, Rockbridge Cty. VA gstene@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

On 14 January 2000 you sent an e-mail that listed a Dorsey Earl as a child of James & Fanny. You said he m. Anna Stark. Is this not true or did you leave him out this time? Celis #2 -----Original Message----- From: NSchear@aol.com [mailto:NSchear@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 3:33 PM To: EGNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [EGNER] census for Harrison Co. WV or Rockbridge Co. VA James A. Wright and Fanny Agner are my ggrandparents. I was thrown by the Hannah F. in the census, since family only knew Frances/Fanny. We have NO listing of her parents names, which I was trying to find, as well as James's(there are 2 James Wright living in the same place concurrently. Fannies children were Daise, Mary, Dona, Lee. Rufus and Andrew. I also have their children's names and who they married. Fanny's siblings, according to the written family record were John, Charlie,Liza(Elizabeth, I suppose)), Daisy, Dona(short for Sordonia? I think). I also had who these married if you want them.But I have no primary records, just the written family record. While I'm familiar with the WRight family, I know nothing about Fanny's. Vaughn has Jacob and Mary(Polly)Agner from Rockbridge Co. Va. Correct? Please verify. I would like to get a records of the Jacob /Mary Agner marriage license. info.Thanks for your info.Kathy in Cincinnati ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== Post your Queries, Bible Records, Bios, Deeds, Obits, Pensions, and Wills on the appropriate GenConnect Board: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/#gc ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Kathy my record were from Harrison Co. Marriage records vaughn

----- Original Message ----- From: <NSchear@aol.com> > Attention Celia and Vaughn - Does anybody know what year of the census > Hannah F. was found living with Jacob and Mary? Kathy, Hannah Frances is not listed in Rockbridge census with Jacob and Mary (Day) Agner: Jacob 5 AGNER, Jr., (Jacob 4 , John 3 , Ludwig 2 , Johannes 1 ), born c1813. He married 21 January 1838, Mary "Polly" DAY, Rev. Wm. M. Cunningham officiating. Polly was born c1817. She was a daughter of Thomas Day. Jacob was a cooper by trade. Jacob began to show in the Rockbridge County, VA personal Property Tax Lists in 1836. In 1840, Jacob's household consisted of one male under age 5; one male aged 20-30; one female aged 20-30. By 1850, Jacob and Mary were found living in the northern section of Rockbridge County, VA with their children Joseph, Elizabeth and Sodonia. Their daughter Mary was not found in their household. She was living with her Agner grandparents in 1850. In 1870, a Jacob Agner appears in Clay Township of Ritchie County, WV. Jacob and Polly had at least the following children: i. Joseph 6 AGNER, born c1839, died 15 December 1862, killed in battle at Fredericksburg, VA.96 CSA. ii. Elizabeth 6 AGNER, born c1842. iii. Sordonia 6 P. AGNER, born c1845. iv. Mary 6 AGNER born c1843. She lived with her grandparents in 1850. Mary was devised $30.00 in her grandfather, Jacob Agner's, last will and testament. v. William 6 AGNER born c1853. vi. Jacob 6 AGNER, born 15 April 1855. As you can see from the approx. birth years there are gaps. Notice too that the 1860 census has not been accounted for. Perhaps that census would provide more clues. ---Celia :o)

Yes, Dorsey Earl is a child of James and Fanny. I left him out by accident. He married Anna Stark, and I still correspon with their daught Roselean who is in her 70's and lives in Tenn.His other daugts.. were Virginia and Betty.Are you Celia 2? Can you tell me where you found Fanny in your info. Marriage licence? Census? Thanks. Kathy in Cincy

----- Original Message ----- > Phillippina's parents are: > Heinrich Agner - 1721 - 1792 > Maria Catherine Schuck - abt 1722 Don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but...........There are researchers who believe that Phillipina and sister Christina are the daughters of Jacob Iegnor. This speculation comes partly because Jacob Iegnor and Peter Little Sr. were naturalized together. I believe--no proof--that this Jacob is the eldest son of Johan Mathias Egner of Berks/Lehigh County PA. He last known in PA in 1750 and a Jacob Iegnor/Igner first appears in Rowan in 1753. Also the name Mathias later shows up in connection with NC and SC. So it is quite possible we have two separate lines (Egner and Aegender/Agner) in Rowan at the same time and both officials and researchers have mixed the two families or assumed them to be one for the past 250 years. There just seems to be no proof to sort these lines out. :o( Jacob's story is interesting and I hope one day we find the proof need to sort these two lines out. A petition was filed in Rowan County in 1784 on behalf of the wife and children of Jacob Eagner by the citizens of Rowan and Mecklenberg Counties and in the same year a deed recites the fact that Jacob Eagner "has gone to join our late enemy and therefore his property has been ordered" sold by the Court. One Little researcher states that "Jacob removed from Rowan County to Mecklenberg County and at the end of the Revolutionary War when the Tories were banished, he left the state, and I have been unable to determine where he went." Supposedly Peter Little's wife has a brother who was a Col. in the Tory Army. He supposedly commanded a Tory regiment and died with smallpox in Charleston SC. The National Archives Pension Papers for Mathias Egner, filed in Lincoln County NC in 1840, says that Mathias was born in 1763 or 1764 in Lincoln County, but that these records have beenlost. He further states that his Father (unnamed) went with the British Amry and took him along when he was 14. He escaped from his father in Charleston and went to Burkey County where he enlisted with the Americans. The final papers of Mathias state that he died 2 Feb 1844 in Newberry District SC and mention Sarah Graham, wife of Jesse Graham and daughter of Mathias; Polly Hamilton and Betsy Chapman, heirs. Also mentioned in unnamed wife who died about 1807. Just wanted to let everyone know of another possiblity. Isn't genealogy fun!?!? ---Celia :o)

I could not go to bed without thanking everybody! I don't know the path to take, so I will do it like this. I'm so happy. Patsy did you read Ancestors of Phillippina Agner? Also Dick Gould message. What a wonderful way to end the day. Mary in SC

Dick, Daniel Little Jr. was born about 1750 in Mecklenburg County NC during Colonial times. He married Phillippina Agner and was listed in the Mecklenburg Co. census in 1790 as head of household. Do you know who her parents were? They moved to SC in October of 1801. I think I can take it from there. Thanks Mary

what year's do you all need for agner's-harrison co. w.va... i live in charleston, w.va and i go to the state archives almost 3 times month... if you will give me the names and the years ill do my best too find them for you on the census... patsy :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Phillippina's parents are: Heinrich Agner - 1721 - 1792 Maria Catherine Schuck - abt 1722 Heinrich's parents: Johannes Agner 1687 - 1757 Margaretha Marisa's parents: Johannes George Schuck - 1694= 1767 Anna Maria - 1694 - 1772

hi there... if you will email me personally... i have a book with info your looking for on the little's/agner's from rowan co. north carolina... its called captain daniel little.. patsy :-) email addy:buckwheat2193@yahoo.com ps... that would have been the late 1700's for them....we are still trying too figure who there parents were...not for sure yet... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com