I can't remember if I sent this to the list before, but if not here it is. Here's a list of our people at the BLM website: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ You can view on the screen the actual document. You can also order copies. This is a great site if you have not already visited! And if you haven't visited in awhile, the site has a whole new format and more states available (though not all documents are available to view on the screen--those ones are in red). I put in name variants as I thought of them, so there's no rhyme or reason to this list. ---Celia :o) Patentee Name State Issue Doc. Accession or Date Nr. Serial Nr. ========================================== EGNOR, J H AR 11/01/1848 1308 AR1730__.075 EGNOR, JOSEPH AR 04/01/1829 398 AR0470__.295 EGNER, ADDIE M CO 08/31/1915 488604 EGNER, BENJAMIN AR 05/01/1860 15833 AR0740__.271 EGNER, BENJAMIN AR 06/16/1856 7681 AR0590__.280 EGNER, CHARLES W ND 09/26/1905 NDMTAA 055112 EGNER, CHESTER O AK 05/18/1956 1159831 EGNER, DAVID AL 10/01/1835 10793 AL0850__.101 EGNER, DAVID AL 09/20/1839 19714 AL2600__.425 EGNER, DAVID WI 11/10/1855 20172 WI2210__.267 EGNER, DAVID WI 11/10/1855 20173 WI2210__.268 EGNER, DAVID WI 11/10/1855 20174 WI2210__.269 EGNER, DAVID AL 12/01/1826 5693 AL0750__.128 EGNER, DAVID AL 12/01/1826 5694 AL0750__.129 EGNER, GEORGE OH 09/01/1824 313 OH0150__.308 EGNER, GEORGE H AL 03/15/1839 16393 AL0950__.499 EGNER, GEORGE H AL 09/20/1839 17610 AL2560__.335 EGNER, GREGORY CO 12/01/1865 COCOAA 041877 EGNER, GREGORY CO 07/10/1872 COCOAA 041944 EGNER, INA E SD 11/14/1925 969557 EGNER, JOSEPH H AR 08/16/1838 1640 AR0490__.248 EGNER, JOSEPH H AR 08/16/1838 1641 AR0490__.249 EGNER, JOSEPH H AR 08/16/1838 1760 AR0490__.340 EGNER, JOSEPH H AR 07/10/1844 2341 AR0510__.132 EGNER, JOSEPH H AR 06/23/1836 535 AR0480__.214 EGNER, JOSEPH H AR 02/19/1855 6915 AR0540__.418 EGNER, JOSEPH H AR 06/16/1856 7007 AR0590__.137 EGNER, MARTHA JANE CO 09/24/1912 293377 EGNER, STEPHEN IL 12/24/1817 6904 IL5090__.134 EGNER, WILLIAM AR 07/01/1859 10925 AR0660__.132 EGNER, WILLIAM AR 07/01/1859 11661 AR0670__.137 EGNER, WILLIAM AR 09/23/1879 15261 AR0270__.247 EGNER, WILLIAM AR 05/01/1860 16435 AR0750__.271 EGNER, WILLIAM D CO 06/01/1882 COCOAA 041966 EGNER, WILLIAM D CO 07/12/1889 COCOAA 041983 EIGNER, ANTON OR 07/02/1904 ORLAA 056600 EIGNER, HENRY WA 08/27/1892 WAWWAA 010051 EIGNER, JOHANNES OLSON ND 02/26/1912 249939 EIGNER, MAT OR 12/30/1902 ORLAA 056598 EIGNER, MICHAEL OR 12/30/1902 ORLAA 056599 EIGNOR, MERRITT ID 07/15/1904 IDIDAA 001545 AGNER, ANDREW AL 07/01/1848 24212 AL2700__.014 AGNER, GEORGE OH 10/16/1835 2200 OH0640__.157 AGNER, GEORGE OH 10/16/1835 2201 OH0640__.158 AGNER, GEORGE OH 10/16/1835 2202 OH0640__.159 AGNER, GEORGE OH 10/16/1835 2207 OH0640__.164 AGNER, GEORGE OH 10/16/1835 2256 OH0640__.213 AGNER, GEORGE OH 10/16/1835 2386 OH0640__.343 AGNER, GEORGE OH 10/07/1835 2867 OH0650__.313 AGNER, HENRY ID 08/04/1891 IDIDAA 028154 AGNER, JOHN MT 07/13/1911 216747 AGNER, JOHN O FL 05/05/1910 02056 128230 AGNER, NORA FL 01/03/1896 12012 FL0900__.323 AGNER, SAMUEL FL 06/30/1884 3813 FL0730__.468 AGNER, THOMAS S FL 07/27/1904 17062 FL1070__.106 AIGNER, ANTON WI 12/18/1897 1158 WI0140__.121 AIGNER, AUGUST CO 02/19/1890 COCOAA 001544 AIGNER, CHRISTIAN IN 02/01/1831 10150 IN1070__.376 AIGNER, FERDINAND MN 01/20/1891 7295 MN2040__.255 AIGNER, FRANCIS S OR 08/03/1908 ORLGAA 081509 AIGNER, FRANK WI 04/27/1894 3234 WI3680__.157 AIGNER, FRANK WA 04/02/1908 WASPAA 018801 Nothing found on these variants: Egnar, Agnor, Aignor, Eygner, Eagner, Eagnor, Eggner, Eggnor

I found this very interesting. Maybe this is why I have been called "Dean" all my life when my first name is Phillip. Even my mother never spoke why, it was just family tradition. This kind of information is very helpful to our researching. Thank you Celia Dean -----Original Message----- From: Celia, Ritch, & Beth [mailto:hartmann@bright.net] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:29 AM To: EGNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [EGNER] German naming patterns Here's a site done by another Egner researcher (Johann Mathias Egner of Berks/Lehigh PA). This site helped me understand all the Johanns and Marias, etc. when I first got started. He also has three different naming patterns that were commonly used. http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm He has some other nice links at the bottom of the page. Hope this helps. --Celia :o) ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== Visit the Egner/Agner resource page: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/ ============================== Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

One migration route. http://www.connerprairie.org/migrate.html Lists 16 different trails http://members.aol.com/RoadTrails/roadtrai.html#summary A site with a lot of good links, migrations, links to other databases, etc. Check this site out. http://ovnet.com/~wfmoney/cd/features.htm Site researching in Switzerland. Found a hit on Agender. Awaiting return E-mail. http://www.genealogylinks.net/europe/swi.htm This is a good one to hunt through always http://www.cyndislist.com/ Good hunting Dean -----Original Message----- From: NSchear@aol.com [mailto:NSchear@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 2:21 PM To: EGNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [EGNER] Appalachia Has anyone used any good sites on West Virginia/Appalachian migration and history? ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== Post your Queries, Bible Records, Bios, Deeds, Obits, Pensions, and Wills on the appropriate GenConnect Board: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/#gc ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Thanks for the site. This was first a Ferry which belonged to my Gggrandfather, Milton Eggner. I visited this site this fall & they are getting ready to tear down to bridge to build a super highway. Celia #2 -----Original Message----- From: Hartman [mailto:marken@thegrid.net] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 12:35 PM To: EGNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [EGNER] Eggner Ferry Bridge, Marshall Kentucky Margie, Where are your Egner's from. I found a couple of locations in Marshall County KY that have Egner in their title. (Eggner) http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== Visit the Egner/Agner resource page: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/ ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

Dear Agner/Egner Researchers My two cents worth on the NARA Military Pension Records. I used to do research for others at the National Archives in Washington DC. While it is true the Revolutionary War Pension Records are on microfilm-and available at many research institutes- I don't believe the Civil War Pension Records are available in that format It is still necessary to check the microfilm indexes for the correct soldier, have the actual paper records pulled from the stacks and gone through page by page. I must say these pension records can be very fascinating but it can also be very time consuming work. While some files are small others can run into hundreds of pages! I am always amazed when working at the archives how they are able to put their hands on a file in sometimes as little as two hours. It may cost less and be accomplished in a more timely manner if a local researcher is hired to get the Civil War Pension records. Just a thought for those contemplating Civil War pension records. One other thing. Confederate pension records are found in the state the soldier served from not the National Archives. If Iremember correctly Confederate Military Service Records are available at the Archives. Illyce ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

----- Original Messages ----- > I just got word about the price increase for records at NARA. If you've > ever thought about ordering your ancestors' military or pension papers, now > would be the time to do it. > > Most of these records are available on microfilm. I found the pension records > for ancestor that contained over 100 pages. The NARA Regional branch in > Seattle charged me $ .25 per page to make copies. I thought it was a fair > price. You should be able to order them through your local Family History > Center. Most of them have microfilm printers. Good luck. Wow this is great, I never knew that! Thanks for telling us! ---Celia Hartmann :o)

Here's a site done by another Egner researcher (Johann Mathias Egner of Berks/Lehigh PA). This site helped me understand all the Johanns and Marias, etc. when I first got started. He also has three different naming patterns that were commonly used. http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm He has some other nice links at the bottom of the page. Hope this helps. --Celia :o)

Has anyone used any good sites on West Virginia/Appalachian migration and history?

Do you have an approximate date of the migration of the Grubbs and Agners/Egners to Kentucky? Ann Nobles Descendant of Elizabeth "Lizzie" Egner and Andrew Jackson "Jack" Grubb patsy adkins wrote: > > HI THERE... > THE GRUBB'S CONNECTION WITH AGNER'S OUT OF ROWAN > COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA.. > SAMUEL AGNER TOO POLLY GRUBB ON 4-15-1816.. > THESE PEOPLE ENDED UP GOING TOO KENTUCKY.. > SAMUEL BELONGED HENRY JR AND ELIZABETH AREY... > HOPE THIS HELPS YOU OUT.. > PATSY > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== > Post your Queries, Bible Records, Bios, Deeds, Obits, > Pensions, and Wills on the appropriate GenConnect Board: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/#gc > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

In a message dated 3/11/00 4:31:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, hartmann@bright.net writes: << Dear Listers: I just got word about the price increase for records at NARA. If you've ever thought about ordering your ancestors' military or pension papers, now would be the time to do it. I can't believe the increase! I've been thinking about ordering some, but haven't really had the extra money--but I think I'll do it now, as there's no way I'm paying the increased fees! Here's the scoop: The National Archives will be increasing the price of Military Service Records from $10 to $17.50 Pension Records (Rev. War, Civil War, etc.) from $10 to $40 Effective July 1, 2000 ---Celia Hartmann :o) >> Most of these records are available on microfilm. I found the pension records for ancestor that contained over 100 pages. The NARA Regional branch in Seattle charged me $ .25 per page to make copies. I thought it was a fair price. You should be able to order them through your local Family History Center. Most of them have microfilm printers. Good luck. Chris

If you go to Bundesland-L, or another general German site, you will be able to ask quest. of knowledgeable German researchers who can explain naming patterns which were very standard and rigid. Too complicated for me to explain correctly, but yes, every same sex child of the family had the same FIRST name, then two additional names, which were after specific family members on each side of the family in a certain family. Two brothers, therefore, may have children's names which were nearly identical. Cousins may have nearly indentical names.www. Cyndi's list .com, may have a listing on German naming patterns. Very helping to know this when deciphering immigrant ancestors new to America. A good German geneologist, when examining copies of Ger man church records, can nearly guess what the parents names, etc., must have been and make connections from knowing the naming patterns employed at that particular time. Fascinating

Celia, I think the Mary Agner m. to John Smathers is the daughter of John Aginder/Aegner, son of Henry Aginder, Sr. John also had a daughter, Catherine Agner m. Jacob Swink. They were named in the will of Henry, Sr because John was already deceased. In 'Family Tree Maker's Family Archives World Family Tree Vol 17, pre-1600 to present' Tree #1618 I find this information: John (Smither) Smathers b. December 17, 1781 in Rowan Co, NC; d. February 10, 1825 in Haywood County, NC; m. Abt. 1803 Mary Agner b. Abt. 1776; d. November 28, 1868 in Haywood County, NC. Parents of John Smathers: William Jr Smitter b. WFT Est. 1730-1759; d. WFT Est. 1782-1822. Parents of Mary Agner: John Agendar b. WFT Est. 1725-1754; d. WFT Est. 1777-1817; m. Unknown WFT Est. 1749-1796. List the five children the same as on the internet site. Can give more information on them. I think this is a match, do you? Celia #2 -----Original Message----- From: Celia, Ritch, & Beth [mailto:hartmann@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 6:42 AM To: EGNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [EGNER] Smathers line of NC Got this through the PML Service. Please note this is a two part message that I have cut and paste the more pertinent parts. There are a few references to Mary Agner Smathers and to Catherine Rough Agner's parents. ---Celia :o) Source: SMOTHERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SMOTHERS] Henry and John SMITHER/SMATHERS/etc. Descendants of William SMITHER and Anna Catharina ______? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 1-William SMITHER (abt 1736-1823) sp: Anna Catharina _____? (-) 2-Catharina Barbara SMITHER (2 May 1764-) sp: _____? MILLER (-) 2-Elizabetha (Betsy) SMITHER (23 Nov 1770-) sp: _____? CRAIZLO (-) sp: William GRUNKLEN (-) 2-Johann Jacob SMITHER (7 Feb 1772-1815/16) sp: Katherine DEW (-) 2-Conrad SMITHER (9 Feb 1774-bef 1816) 2-Henry SMITHER (30 Oct 1775-14 Jun 1856)<<<<< 2-Mary Polly (Molly) SMITHER (abt 1779-) sp: John HARTMAN (-) 2-Susannah SMITHER (bet 1763 and 1774-Aug 1815) sp: John ROUGH (Sep 1763-) 2-Eve SMITHER (1780-) sp: John BASENGER (-) 2-Johannes (John) SMETTERS (17 Dec 1781-1825) sp: Mary AGNER (1776-28 Nov 1868) 3-Eisig (Isaac) SMATHERS (7 Feb 1804-23 Oct 1835) 3-Yorg (George) SMATHERS (9 Sep 1807-24 Jun 1894) 3-Jesse SMATHERS (19 Dec 1811-20 Feb 1879) 3-Levi SMATHERS (9 Sep 1817-WFT Est. 1787-1899) 3-Charlie (Charley) SMATHERS (21 Jul 1819-8 Dec 1906) 2-Margaret (Peggy) SMITHER (1786-) 2-Christina SMITHER (abt 1790-) sp: Jacob LENTZ (-) sp: Margaret LENTZ (-) 2-Teny Lentz SMITHER (aft 1809-) Mitzi Smetters <msmetters@ncweb.com> Visit our CyberHome at <www.ncweb.com/users/msmetters> Researching: SMETTERS (Smothers, Smethers, Smither, etc.), FRAMPTON, COMPTON, SHONKWILER, SATINOVER, TOVROG ========================================== > >Betty Ralph <bralph@HiWAAY.net> sent me some very interesting items about >Henry and John, sons of William SMITHER (b. abt 1736 in Pennsylvania) and >Anna Catharina). The material is from the Dec 1997 "Journal of the >Genealogical Society of Rowan County, North Carolina which was included the >stamped Smither Archives, 9510 Woodley Ave., Silver Spring, MD 20910: > >page 159: > >"In Memory - Henry SMITHER (alias Smathers), who was the Senior Elder of >the >WNC branches of the Smathers family and who was known as the Sage of >Balsam, >died on June 14, 1856 at his Summit Home astride the Haywood and Jackson >County line. He was the second son of WILLIAM SMITHER II (1736-1823) who >migrated in 1774 from Low Hill Township, Northampton County, Penn., to >Rowan >County, N.C. where Henry was born the following year (1775). He was the >grandson of William SMITHER I, a person of British origin, who died in >Albany Township, Berks County, Penn., in 1760 leaving a Will naming his 7 >sons and 3 daughters. Near the end of the War of 1812, Henry and his >younger brother, John (wife Mary AGNER), migrated to Haywood County (which >then included Jackson). There they dropped their British surname (Smither) >and adopted the alias surname Smathers. Early Jackson County kin included >names: Fullbright, Snyder and Liner." > >Also on page 159 was the mention that Mary Hartman, Eva Barringer, Susanah >Rough, and Elizabeth Craiglow died during the 1807 Rowan Co., North >Carolina >death plague leaving a total of 22 children. They were the married >daughters of William Smither of Rowan county and sisters of the two Smither >brothers (John and Henry) who settled in Haywood Co. > >Page 160 has a newspaper clipping about Henry Smathers from "The >Mountaineer, Waynesville, N.C." (no date) saying about the same things. It >mentions ; that Henry moved to Lincoln County in 1809, that in 1814 he >became associated with the Fullbrights who were dealers in Haywood County >lands and encouraged his brother John and others from Rowan County to go to >Haywood where good land was becoming vacant and available at good prices; >and that his brother John who died 1825 was married Mary Agner. > >_____________________________________________ >Betty also sent me a list of William SMITHER and Anna Catharina's children. >It is similar to the one sent to me a while back by Steve SMOTHERS but I do >not know if the info came from the same sources: > >Descendants of William SMITHER >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- >--- >1-William SMITHER (abt 1736-1823) >1st wife: Anna Catharina _____? (-) > 2-Catharina Barbara SMITHER (2 May 1764-) > 2-Elizabetha (Betsy) SMITHER (23 Nov 1770-) > 2-Johann Jacob SMITHER (7 Feb 1772-1815/16) > 2-John SMETTERS (1773) <<<<<<<<<< > 2-Conrad SMITHER (9 Feb 1774-bef 1816) > 2-Henry SMITHER (30 Oct 1775-14 Jun 1856) > 2-Mary Polly (Molly) SMITHER (abt 1779-) > 2-Susannah SMITHER (bet 1763 and 1774-Aug 1815) > 2-Eve SMITHER (1780-) > 2-Margaret (Peggy) SMITHER (1786-) > 2-Christina SMITHER (abt 1790-) >2nd wife: Margaret LENTZ (-) (2nd wife of William SMITHERS > 2-Teny Lentz SMITHER (aft 1809-) > > >Note that this list has conflicts with the info in from the "Journal of the >Genealogical Society of Rowan County, North Carolina" cited above in regard >to Henry being the SECOND son of WILLIAM SMITHER . . . and his YOUNGER >brother, John (who married Mary AGNER). According to the descendancy charts >I have from Steve SMOTHERS and Betty RALPH, Henry is the THIRD son and John >is OLDER. > >Now, if instead of the17 DEC 1773 date, we use John's birth date of 17 >Dec >1781 as given by Sadie Smathers Patton in her book "Smathers from Yadkin >Valley to Pigeon River: Smathers and Agner families" (LDS CALL NUMBER: >US/CAN FILM AREA 145459 Item #4-published in 1954 in North Carolina) it >would work out OK--John would be born after Henry and thus be younger and >make Henry the second son. > >Patton's book shows that John was sometimes called Johannes. This could >mean >that Johann and John actually are the same person, but I doubt it if the >info provided from the magazine/journal is correct. Betty also has a wife >for Johann Jacob SMITHER (7 Feb 1772-1815/16): Katherine DEW whose name was >given to her by another researcher. With different birth dates, wives, and >death dates, it seems that two different men are involved. > >Perhaps the family used the German custom of sometimes given the same first >name to children, and then calling them by their middle name. This happened >in the earlier generation with George Nicholas (who was know as George) and >his younger brother George Jacob (who was know as Jacob). Since there are >wives' names for both Johan and John, they must be two different men. Note >that Johan has the middle name of Jacob, which I have not found associated >with the man called John. (I suspect that somewhere along the way somebody >transcribed Johan's date of 07/02/1772 as 17/12/1773 but accidentally >increasing some of the digits by +1 and then someone gave the date to John >since it did not fit Johan and that they did not have the date of John's >birth that Patton provided in her book. > >If you have not seen Patton's book, it has a lot a interesting info, >pictures, and insights into the family of John SMATHERS and Mary ANGER. It >shows pages from their Bible (everything written in German) with his name >as >Johannes SMETTERS. She only refers to them as SMATHERS coming from SMETTER >(or SMETTERS), never as SMITHER. The articles provided by Betty Ralph >refers to the Henry and John's line as from England. However Patton's book >asserts they were Germans who were originally from the Palatine area, who >probably migrated to England before coming to America. Since the family was >VERY German in all that they did in America (where they lived, who them >married, the language they used), it seems that their German background was >well established no matter where they originated. I have found no records >so far showing them as coming on any ship from England or Germany -- I >don't >know if we will ever know the place of origin for sure. >I hope to hear from some of your regarding any additional info, insights, >or >ideas regarding this connection with the North Carolina branch of the >family. > >Mitzi Smetters ><msmetters@ncweb.com> >Visit our CyberHome at ><www.ncweb.com/users/msmetters> > >Researching: SMETTERS (Smothers, Smethers, Smither, etc.), FRAMPTON, >COMPTON, SHONKWILER, SATINOVER, TOVROG > > ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== Post your Queries, Bible Records, Bios, Deeds, Obits, Pensions, and Wills on the appropriate GenConnect Board: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/#gc ============================== Free Web space. 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HI THERE... THE GRUBB'S CONNECTION WITH AGNER'S OUT OF ROWAN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA.. SAMUEL AGNER TOO POLLY GRUBB ON 4-15-1816.. THESE PEOPLE ENDED UP GOING TOO KENTUCKY.. SAMUEL BELONGED HENRY JR AND ELIZABETH AREY... HOPE THIS HELPS YOU OUT.. PATSY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

HEY THERE CUZ... YOUR OTHER TWO SHADOW'S WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS THE OTHER EVENING ON ICQ.... 1.WE DNT THINK THAT ARCHIBALD CHANGED HIS NAME... THERE IS NO REASON FOR HIM TOO DO THAT... NOT UNLESS PEOPLE WERE GETTING HIM CONFUSED WITH HIS FATHER AND HIS GRANDFATHER "JOHN" THERE ARE NO OTHER CHILDERN NAMED JOHNATHAN IN THE FAMILY AT ALL.. THE ONLY ONE THAT COMES CLOSE TOO THAT IS JOHANNES HIS GREAT FATHER... 2 HIS OLDEST SON IS NAMED JOHN WASHINGTON EGNOR.. NAMED AFTER HIS FATHER JOHN JR... 3. PLUS IF YOU LOOK AT HIS DAUGHTER'S NAMES MARY SUSAN... WE WERE THINKING THAT MAYBE THE MIDDLE NAME OF SUSAN CAME FROM JOHN SENIOR'S FIRST SECOND SUSANNAH WALKUP.... 4. MARY ANN WAS NAMED AFTER JOHN'S JR THIRD WIFE.. SINCE HER NAME WAS MARY... BUT ANN COULD HAVE FROM LAHOMMA'S MOTHER...ANN MEADOWS.... 5. HAVE YOU NOTICED ALSO THAT THERE IS NO BARBARA IN THE FAMILY.... THAT WAS JOHN JR'S FIRST WIFE... WHY DDNT ARCH NAME ONE OF HIS DAUGHTER'S AFTER HIS MOM....HMMMM MAKES YOU WONDER.... 6. AS WE WERE SAYING THE OTHER NIGHT.. WE HADNT REALLY LOOKED AT THE NAMING PATTERN THAT ARCHIBALD AND LAHOMMA USED IN NAMING THERE CHILDERN.... ALSO THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ELSE... HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT NONE OF THE EGNOR SON'S ARE NAMED AFTER LAHOMMA FATHER...THATS WEIRD.... THERE ALWAYS AT LEAST ONE SON NAMED AFTER THERE MOM'S DAD NAME... ILL RIGHT IM STEPPING OFF THE SOAP BOX FOR THE MOMENT... JUST THOUGHT ID THROW OUT SOME OTHER THEORIES ON THE NAME GAME...HERE...SO ANYBODY WANTS TOO MAKE A COMMENT GO FOR IT... PATSY... :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Ann Noble, I was looking around in Whitney Co. KY and found cemeteries and found an Egner cemetery with Grubb's. One of them is an A J (Andrew Jackson?)Grubb born 1 Feb 1836 (My birthday only I'm a little younger). You may already this information but thought I would let you know. Here's the site to get to it. Also look on the page before the Egner cemetery there is a Grubb. http://www.abraxis.com/beegee/Genealogy/Kentucky/Whitley/CemeteryBooks/cbone14 0.htm#EGNER I'm not sure where the Grubbs come into the Egner line. Can you give me a short tree so I'll have an idea? Cousin Phillip "Dean" Egner 40 Fairview Chase Covington, GA 30016 770-385-0893

Sorry Margie, I've had the genweb page bookmarked in favorites for so long and all I do is go to favorites and click on it. I see I put two b's in web. One letter off can make a world of difference. Try it this way and let me know if it works. http://www.usgenweb.org This should get you in at the beginning page of Gen Web. As you scroll down you will see the US map where you can click on the state you want. Another good one is www.cyndislist.com When looking for a subject without an address, type in www.metacrawler.com , then the subject you are looking for. After locating a site which you will want to find easy next time, put it in favorites. I believe our other computer called it bookmarks. Most of the time the http:// is not necessary. Let me know if this works.

Margie, Where are your Egner's from. I found a couple of locations in Marshall County KY that have Egner in their title. (Eggner) http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html

Betty Ralph gave me additional information..margie hartman Glad I was able to provide some clues on your Catherine Moser. Please take my data with plenty of salt - it is the best I know right now, but am constantly learning. Am pasting below some misc. text I have collected on Rough and Smithers. Betty Ralph Huntsville, AL John Rough: At the time of his father's death, John was bound to Christian Crider to learn the tanning trade. The family may have been German. On 12 August 1786 John was appointed guardian of his brother Phillip. He sued the executors of his father's estate over a land trade. He evidentially lost and appealed the verdict, saying the jurors had prejudged the case. The court found in his favor on 13 June 1787. He was listed in the Rowan county, North Carolina census in 1790, 1800, and 1820. Sources: Jean Lydigsen Rowan County Guardian Bonds Rough file, Rowan County Public library William Smithers Sr.: He was married to Maria Catharina JEAKY on 5 Aug 1734 in Burlington, New Jersey. Wedding record in N. J. Archives, 1st series, Vo. XXII, p. 354. He obtained a marriage license on 5 Aug 1734 in Berks Co., Pennsylvania. (From photocopy of hand written license): "Licence of Mar on t 5th of Aug. 1734 was granted to Wm. Smither of t Cnty of Burk Labourer of t one party and Mary Catharina Jeakey Spinster of t other party Samel Bus -itt, esq." Family legend says the Willima and Maria lived in the Philidelphia area prior to marriage. When seeking a suitable place to be married, the elected to obtain a Civil License in New Jersey to avoid Philadelphia church restrictions. Wilhelm (William) SCHMETTER was a farmer. In 1749, William acquired a land Warranty for acres in Old Philadelphia County (now Berks) near Albany, Pennsylvania were he became a successful dairy farmer. He resided in 1758 in Northumberland Co., Pennsylvania. He received a warrent for 20 acres. The Last Will and Testament of William Smither In the Name of God Amen I William Smither of Albany Township in the County of Berks amd Province of Pennsylvania Being weak in Body but of Sound Memory ~ Blessed Be God ~ Do this 25 Day of March in the yeaire of our Lord God one Thousand Seven Hundred and Sixty Make and Publish this my Last Will and Testatment in Manner Following that is Say First of all after my Lawfull debts are Paid I do give unto my Loving Wife Chathirine all of my ------ Also I give to my Son John Smither Sartaine (certain) Peace (piece) of Land as wee (we) Have Before Agreeded one (on) in which might be about 2.0 Acres or Thereabouts. (insterted above line: Adjoining Kenney Sister and Christchan Hackler) Also I give to my Son William Smither three Pounds. Also I Do Give to my Son Aron Smither all my Royel (real) and Personal Estate to Hold to him his Heairs (heirs) ----- and Assigns to Have and to Hold for Ever he His Hearts --- ---- and Assigns Paying and Answering and Paying Sich (such) Legases and Sums of money to his Mother and Brothers and Sisters as ------coy Menshoned (mentioned) and Shall be Hereafter menshoned (mentioned) at the Set Times. I Do Give to my Son George Smither Seven Pounds and I Do Give to my Son Jacob Seven Pounds And I Do Give to my Son Christchan Smither Seven Pounds and I Do give to my Dagter (daughter) Anna Elisabeth Smither Seven Pounds and I Do Give to my Dagter Susana Smither Seven Pounds and I Do Give to my Dagter Mary Smither Seven Pounds and I Do Give to my youngest Son Valentine Smither Seven Pounds to them there (their) Heirs and Assigns for Ever. Heare (Here) is the times of Payments ordered first of all my Son John to Have Said Piece of Land dyrectly (directly) and my Deare and Loving Wife and my Son William to Reseave (receive) there (their) Part in one yeaire (year) after my Deseace (decease) and the other Sons and Dagters to Recieve the-- as they Come to Be there (their) Age and I Make ------ them ----- Son Aron Smither and Christehan Hackler of the Above menshened (mentioned) Township Sole Executrix of this my will in --- for the Intents and Purposes in this my Will Contined in ------- Whereof I the Said William Smither have to this my Last will and Testement Set my hand and Seal on the Day and Pleaise (place) Above Written. his William X Smithers mark Signed, Sealed and Delivered by the Said William Smither as and for his Last Will and Testement in the Presents of us Who Were Present at the Signing and Sealing Thereof Valentine Brobst his Christian CH Hechler mark "Reading in Berke County ss, May 19th 1760. Then personally appointed Valentine Brobst and Christian Hechler two of the Subscribing Wtnesses to the oafore written Will, and declaring themselves conscientiously s-------- of taking an Oath, did upon their Solemn offirmation according to Law, respectively affirm and Say that they were present and saw and heard William Smither sign, seal, publish and declare the aforegoing Writing to be his last Will and Testament and that the said Testator William Smother at the Time of Doing there of of sound Mind Memory and Understanding, as they verily believe --- that the Name Valentine Brobst and the Mark C H of Christian Hechler so subscribed, are of their Hand Writing, respectively, of the said affirmants Valentine Brobst and Christian Hechler by them subscribed (at the Same Time with John Everett the other subscribing witness) as Witnesses thereto in the Presence of each other and of the said John Everett, and at the Request and in the Presence of the said Testator. ~ Coromnne James ------- Dr."

----- Original Message ----- > How do you go about ordering these records? Is there a form to > use & can you do it on the internet? Dear Celia and everyone else with the same question: You have to place an order for NATF Form 80s, which can be done by writing a letter to NARA or sending them an email, giving them the number of forms you need along with your name and snail mail address. You must fill out separate forms (same NAFT80 but you check different boxes) for the pension and for the military records--so if you want both sets of records, be sure to get 2 forms for each ancestor. There is a limit of 6 forms per order. email inquire@nara.gov or snail mail National Archives and Records Administration Attn: NWCTB 700 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, D.C. 20408-0001 They suggest that you order first the person's pension file, as the military service records rarely contain family information. If there is no pension file, then you should request the military records. If you are getting records on your Revolutionary War veteran, the pension and bounty-land warrant applications are combined and you get both by requesting the pension file only. The requried minimum information you must provide is: Veteran's name What branch of service State he served Which War or dates If it was the Civil War, did he serve Union or Confederate They would also like additional info if you have it, such as: Unit served If Army, was he in Infantry, Cavalry, or Artillery What was his rank What kind of service: Volunteers or Regular Date and place of Birth and Death Name of Widow Place he lived after Service This same form can be used to order bounty-land warrant applications (for Federal service before 1856). This form may not however be used for WWI or WWII records. Normally they copy complete compiled military and bounty-land application files. When they are unable to provide copies of all pension documents due to the size of the pension file, they will send copies of the documents THEY think is most useful to you for genealogical purposes (many documents are repetitive or administrative in nature). You may order the copies of all the remaining documents in the file, by making a specific request; they will notify you of the cost of the additional copies. You do NOT send money with this form, they will send you a letter stating that either they could not find the file you rquested (and therefore no payment is due) or yes they did find it and inform you of the cost. (They will hold your copies for 45 days awaiting your check or money order.) OR, if you gave them your credit card number on the form, the copies will be mailed immediately to you upon them finding the file and they will charge your card then. Here's the website if you need some other information I didn't provide: http://www.nara.gov/research/ordering/ordrfrms.html Hope this helps everyone. Most of it came from an actual form I have. Hope there's a file on everyone's ancestors! I think the MD Aegender/Agners have already been tried and not found. ---Celia Hartmann :o)

Celia, How do you go about ordering these records? I probably would be interested in doing this also & the price increase is substantial. Is there a form to use & can you do it on the internet? Thanks, Celia #2 -----Original Message----- From: Celia, Ritch, & Beth [mailto:hartmann@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 6:25 AM To: EGNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [EGNER] Military/pension records from NARA Dear Listers: I just got word about the price increase for records at NARA. If you've ever thought about ordering your ancestors' military or pension papers, now would be the time to do it. I can't believe the increase! I've been thinking about ordering some, but haven't really had the extra money--but I think I'll do it now, as there's no way I'm paying the increased fees! Here's the scoop: The National Archives will be increasing the price of Military Service Records from $10 to $17.50 Pension Records (Rev. War, Civil War, etc.) from $10 to $40 Effective July 1, 2000 ---Celia Hartmann :o) ==== EGNER Mailing List ==== Post your Queries, Bible Records, Bios, Deeds, Obits, Pensions, and Wills on the appropriate GenConnect Board: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/e/g/EGNER/#gc ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.