Thanks,Beverly,for replying "on list" but nobody took the bait or like me have no subscription..It was COOL of you to hint to all to help me..you're my kind of person! say that link for pensins didn't work! error message said page can't be found by server even after i re-typed it to add L to the .htm Can you send it again in case there was a typo? Thanks,Dot in NJ~