Sorry folks, forgot to add the "request" to the address, knew better than to just send this message to the list. Seasons Greetings, everyone, Jo A ----- Original Message ----- From: jmautrey <jmautrey@email.msn.com> To: <EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 1:09 AM Subject: unsubscribe > I'm really sorry to do this, but due to health and computer problems, I have not been able to access the Internet since last week. I now find myself with almost 1600 messages, and I'm still now well and up to par agaiin. > > I love this list, will rejoin as soon as possible. > > God's Blessings, > > Jo Autrey >

COPY RIGHTED Dec.10/1999 By Zella and Carl Coffman AND AWAY WENT THE RABBIT Greetings, This is a story that has mystery, A war between the peoples of two Missouri Counties and Bullies, that took the Missouri State Army to bring under control, A man on the run-and maybe his wife and children also-for their lives, (or was it from his first wife?) It was one or the other. About a Baptist Church in Aldrich,Mo. being took over by thugs and threatened. About the Military Highway that runs south out of Kansas City between the state lines of Kansas and Missouri and so on into Texas and Louisiana, and some very hot saddles on the way to Texas and Shreveport,LA. A man still on the run, in Texas, and was Killed, we sure wish we could tell you how, Was it Indians raiding along the Red River, or did the bad guys catch him in the end. I call him the Rabbit but the name he was born with was Andrew D. Coffman,b.1824 in Grainger Tennessee. My Daug, Zella Coffman and my self , Carl Coffman in Wichita, are a co-team, after and chasing as fast as we can on a very long lost rabbit, that we found Court Doc. on in Fannin Co.last week . We were there in person, and everybody was super and nice and very helpful. I loved the way the clerk ladies talked, they were charming. We had a lot of success in the records at court house. and went to view Great-Grandfather and our Great-Grandmothers land 4 miles north on farm road # 898. When I say land I mean the general area. There was no cemetery index at Brown's cemetery but we sure did look just the same as it would be just west of the part section of the farm. Lot of un-marked graves. Let me jump to a new para. and tell the list a story of this Rabbit who had 4 wives. Two married other In Harrison County and ended up in Fannin. A girl friend in Grayson. Our records show he died in Cooke 11/3/1873 Married in Polk Co. Missouri,#1, next #2 (our Anc. In Harrison) #3 In Harrison, Co. Tx Also. # 4 in Fannin 1870 to Laura F. Brown (she is all over Fannin Census, kept the Brown Name after Andrew Died. Well the stage is set for over a 50 year chase after his Info and that of his children's. Got to admit, The Red River Valley was a nice place to stop running. This story started in Tenn. in the year of Andrew David Coffman and twin brother John H.B. Coffman birth,1824 . There was 9-11 children born to David,b.1787-1838 and wife Susanna Bunch. David Father was in the American Rev and lived in Lancaster Penn. and left Penn with a brother about1780 to Tenn.. Let see we have Andrew's father and grandfather listed and that far enough for now. How?? it was easy as they never were lost like this Rabbit,Andrew D,a/k/a Dedrick /Deadrich Coffman,a/k/a, Haufman/Kaufmann/ kauffman. Lost my place here, just to many names for one person; oh yes Andrew was born in 1824 in Tenn. His father David was a Baptist Preacher and had a calling to go the wilds of Missouri to start a church/school in abt. 1835. children, friends, and members Build it and I've been there in Aldrish, Mo. near the Truman Dam, Walked the farm on canes and said a few words over David and Susanna Graves on their own old homestead. I felt very sad that he only lived about three years after coming to missouri. Susanna raised all her children. There was a private war broke out in Polk and Benton Counties of mountain men. It was called the slickers war and it was run by a bully and his 4 sons and bar room buddies, If this bunch didn't like you they would steal your land, Tie you to a tree, tear off your shirt,take a small limb, tear off all bark, and beat your back until you were bleeding, and what ever and untied you and told to leave the county or die. Those against the Slickers were called Anti-Slickers. There was many killings for a period of 4-5 years and there wasn't enough law to control them.. The slickers were at a Baptist church meeting at Aldrich about 4 years after David the preacher died, and thought the words the preacher was speaking on was directed at them. They got up in front and told all the members if they didn't, stop they would be run out of the county also. Andrew and his Family had to be in attendance that night. Many were killed, run out of the county, and it took the Missouri Army to stop the mayhem in these two counties.The book is for sale about the Slickers War at, Polk County, Mo.Historical Socy., Bolivar.Mo. Andrew 1st. Married was in 1849 to a very nice Tenn.lady and I never could find out any info on her, nor if she had any children with Andrew. Her name was Elizabeth S. Sanders. I did find them as a couple in the 1850 Polk Co, Census and never again together. found Andrew Again in Caddo,La./ Harrison,Tx.I did Find a Elizabeth Sanders marring again in 1854 at Jefferson County Mo. That is just west of St. Lewis and Two Boys named Sanders in next county west of Polk, Dade Co.with a family of a different name. The story was they were being raised there because they couldn't't get along with one of their parents. I will always will wonder,as the boys could of had mother's maiden name and if Andrew, Elizabeth, and those two boys were on the run for their lives and all went in different directions, because of fall-out from the Slickers War. Some of the Slicker and Anti-slickers must of hated until they died. We call that the Show-Me-State. Any way the family is all gone and couldn't be found except Andrew under A different name, was shown marring Magdaline S. Sheltman In Caddo Parish.LA.in March of 1866. The marriage did take then but not in Caddo Parish. I found #2 marriage in the marriage book in Harrison Co.Tx. as Dedrick Haufman. We know it is's Andrew as when we looked at land sales in Fannin after Magdaline died, he signed Andrew D. Coffman. Magdaline had "twins" in 1867, a son named Hugh in 1869. Magdaline died 3 months later and Hugh 3 months after that. That left Andrew with Magdaline's 4 and two baby's age 2-3 years old. "What To Do, Oh What To Do" the Rabbit says. We think we can tell you a close story of what happen. We could probably prove most of it if we wanted to go on a records search in Harrison County, but out tree doesn't need it. Magdaline S. Sheltman and Thomas Harrison were Married in Harrison, Co.Tx. On The 1850 Harrison Census the Harrison and Sheltman were very near one another. I have saw some places that Magdaline may of been 11 when she got married? We think Andrew got a baby setter for the twins, Took the 4 children to the farms of the Sheltmans and Harrison. Found a wife probably really quick in Harrison, Co. by the name of Virginia, of which he filed divorce in Fannin in early 1770 against her. We know that was where she was from because the sheriff tried to serve papers on her in Harrison Co. from looking at the sheriff's return. (note to Harrison Co. list readers, Would someone do a marriages look-up at Court Clerk office in Harrison Co. on Virginia______ and Andrew/Dedrick Coffman/kaufman/Kauffman/Haufman and Magdaline S. Sheltman for year 1869 or 1870 and This one I want to buy Or have the Original certified re-turned copy, that they were to pick-up after 60 days. My father Otto Coffman age 92 and my self,age 67 are next of kin. I will pay a small fee for your help. Will the rabbit Is slowing down. I don't think he is looking over his shoulder as much as he is usually is. He married Laura F. Brown From Bonham,Fannin County,in March 19/1871 under Andrew D. and sold 3 plots of land that had been i Magdaline in name as andrew D. See what 4 wives and on the run will do to you, and a girl friend in Sherman, Grayson County. What you want to hear about the girl friend? And you want to know how this case of mis-direction was solved? To Be continued, Zella And Daddy Carl in Wichita Regards: Carl and Zella (daughter) Coffman 1448 S. Handley St. Wichita, KS 67213 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I'm really sorry to do this, but due to health and computer problems, I have not been able to access the Internet since last week. I now find myself with almost 1600 messages, and I'm still now well and up to par agaiin. I love this list, will rejoin as soon as possible. God's Blessings, Jo Autrey

>Copyrighting Genealogical Information >by Steve Paul Johnson, September 15, 1999 > >With access to the Internet, people today are publishing creative works more >than ever. Genealogy websites are springing up everywhere. Can copyright >protection extend to genealogical information? > >Lately I have noticed much discussion about copyright protection for >genealogical information. Someone creates a website of their family >history, publishes on the Internet, and someone else "steals" the >information and publishes it on their website. People get upset after >spending so many months and years to collect and validate the information, >and then many hours to create the webpages, only to have someone take the >information and publish it elsewhere. > >I can certainly understand the frustration. But what protections do the >copyright laws provide? Well, there's a lot of protection, but only for >specific things. > >Genealogical information is factual information, and is not protected under >copyright law. My birthdate is factual information. The burial location of >my grandfather is factual information. The maiden name of my grandmother is >factual information. If I created a webpage that contained these facts, and >nothing more, only the webpage is protected. Not the facts. If I added any >additional writings, ideas, comments, or anything else I create, they would >be protected, but not the facts. >So what does this mean to us genealogists? Well, it means that anyone can >lift the genealogical information off of our websites, and publish it >elsewhere, without consequence. The information may even be sold, and we >couldn't do anything about it. What may be protected is the presentation of >that information, and any other ideas, opinions, or fiction we create. > >But you say, "I've seen so many websites that publish copyright statements >forbidding anyone to republish the information contained within it." Well, >those people are not correct. Their webpages are copyrighted, but not any >factual information contained within it. What if someone published your >mother's birthdate, and then included a statement that no one else could use >that information? Come on, please! > >The USGenWeb Archives includes a statement on every one of its text files >that says that anyone can use the information, as long as their notice >remains with the information, and as long as the information is not used for >profit. That's got to be either one of the most misguided statements, or >the USGenWeb is unaware of the copyright protections. No where do the >copyright laws prevent anyone from using factual information for profit, and >nor does the USGenWeb have any right to enforce such restriction. > >Because facts are free, we are all able to create works, and create works >that compete against each other. Yes, it is frustrating that all the labor >you spent to collect factual information can be freely republished by >someone else. But then, I always believed that genealogical information >should remain free for use by anyone, without restriction. That's why >today, we are able to use census records, cemetery records, vital >statistics, and all the other genealogical records. > >For additional information, please visit the website of the United States >Copyright Office. Please also visit Michael Goad's website, "U.S. Copyright >and Genealogy". > >- Steve Paul Johnson [steve@interment.net] > >Steve is the editor of The Cemetery Column, and is the webmaster of Cemetery >Records on the Internet. > >To read more on this subject click on the address below. >http://www.interment.net/column/commentary/19990915.htm

Any Atteberry cousins out there !! Some went up into Indian Territory Atteberry/Long/Kincheloe/White/Myers/Boss/Stevens Descendants of Amanda W. Attebury 1 Amanda W. Attebury 1838 - 1873 . +Churchwell Archibold Carter Atteberry 1830 - 1905 m: July 11, 1855 in Fannin Co., Texas ............. 2 Rachel Lavica Atteberry 1856 - 1898 ................ +Henry Harper Long 1851 - 1918 m: December 9, 1874 in Hunt Co., Texas ............. 2 Mary Atteberry 1859 - ............. 2 Allen Thomas Atteberry 1860 - 1936 ................ +Charlotte Syvillia 'Lottie' Kincheloe 1867 - 1901 m: February 10, 1887 in Collin Co., Texas ............. 2 Sarah Jane Atteberry 1862 - ................ +James M. White m: February 2, 1881 in Hunt Co., Texas ............. *2nd Husband of Sarah Jane Atteberry: ................ +John Myers m: Aft. 1884 ............. *3rd Husband of Sarah Jane Atteberry: ................ +__________ Boss m: Aft. 1885 ............. 2 Rufus Joseph 'Jo' Atteberry 1868 - 1951 ................ +Susan Jane Stevens 1870 - 1960 m: December 19, 1888 in Texas ............. 2 William Atteberry 1873 - e-mail Tammy Dice Jones at wjones@texhoma.net if you think there might be a connection

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Duncan C. CAMPBELL and Nancy ANDERSON came to Bastrop,Texas in 1851. They were from Tennessee and Mississippi. They had 11 children. Their sixth child William M. CAMPBELL, was my gg grandfather. He was in some type of altercation with carpetbaggers after the war. There is no record of what happened. He moved to Leon Co,Texas and changed his name to William (Sport) HOUSTON. That is how he is listed on all census records. His tombstone does have his correct name. He married Virginia PATRICK(Ninny) in 1869 in Centerville. He also opened a saloon and store called the Limerick that year. They had two sons, Samuel in 1870 and Duncan H.in 1872. Williams older brother George Washington CAMPBELL appears to have been residing in Leon Co.,as well. William's older sister Rebecca has a son named Aldopheus L.FOREHAND (Dolph). He was sent to live with William and Ninny. Dolph ended up marrying Ninny's younger sister,Mary Margaret PATRICK and they lived in Buffalo. William CAMPBELL(Sport Houston) died in 1880 in Centerville. His wife remarried in 1888 to John C.PARKER and they had a child in 1890 named Barney PARKER. William's son Samuel married Addie HOYT and they had 7 children in Jewett,Texas. Duncan married Eva Samantha HINSON in Centerville in 1896. They had five children,but moved to Anderson Co. They divorced about 1915. Duncan moved to Harris Co. and married May ? We know little of Barney,the half brother,except that he may have moved to Louisiana. There just has to be descendents out there with this big a family?? Karen Kerr

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Hey All! I know I have not talked to some of you in a while, hope that your Thanksgiving was a great one! Ours was great, I am still tired from my yearly ritual! Got a new toy with a rebate, so I changed providers. Please update your address books, don't want to loose contact with ANY of you. Hope your Christmas will be a joyous and happy one! Take care, Yolanda Pepper Miller

Go to the Texas GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/ and select the county you need and Throckmorton County is http://www.rootsweb.com/~txthrock/throck.htm Hope this helps Gloria ImaBR@aol.com wrote: > > It Is inThrockmorton County and is the county seat. Go to Rootsweb and see if > they have a mailing list. > > Gladys -- Southwest/South Central CC Representative, USGenWeb Advisory Board Personal page http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/gmayfield/index.html TX Tombstone Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/Texas/ Texas Surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/txsurnames.html Panola County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpanola/ Rusk County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/index.htm

Thanks to all of you that sent the URL, It was really apprciated. Pat in OK

I found the site, now it is not there..this is what it says...anyone have a new address, please? The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. If you are lost, check the CyberRamp Home Page for starting points. The page you were looking for was www.cyberramp.net/~jwheat/pmpomainpage.html . Since that page doesn't exist, we request that you please email the postmaster of this domain about this problem.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpost/postmasters.html Megan "Piglet" Zurawicz piglet@rootsweb.com RootsWeb Community Mentor and Freepmumble http://communities.rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: prechan <prechan@sirinet.net> To: EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 5:48 PM Subject: address needed >Hello, I need the address for the site that gives the Postmasters for >all the towns in TX....well at least in the early days :) Can someone >help me , please? I had it, lost it . Thanks, Pat in OK

Hello, I need the address for the site that gives the Postmasters for all the towns in TX....well at least in the early days :) Can someone help me , please? I had it, lost it . Thanks, Pat in OK

It Is inThrockmorton County and is the county seat. Go to Rootsweb and see if they have a mailing list. Gladys

I need a little help here please. Am needing a lookup in Throckmorton, Texas. Anyone know the way to access their request list as I don't even know the county. Thanks

I'm looking for my husband's family. John T.or D. Nicholas married Josephine Lynch about 1887, Josephine was born in Texas. According to 1900 Rusk County Texas Census, John's birthplace was Tennessee and it list his parents birthplace as Tennessee. I have no idea what his parents name were. John Nicholas was born March 5, 1862. I found a John Nicholas in the 1880 Rusk Co., Texas Census. John is listed with Thomas Nicholas as 17 years old and the nephew of Thomas Nicholas. This John's age would be the age of my John. I believe my father-in-law said that his grandfather John Nicholas came to Texas at about the age of 11 or 12. I would appreciate any kind of help:) Rhonda from Texas

Hello to all, I have been away from the List for awhile and hope I haven't missed a lot. Do any of you know where I might be able to find a copy of Perry L. Blackshear's book, "Blacksheariana," which he published in 1954? Thanks, Gloria Holtsinger Researching: JONES, BILLINGSLEY, PETTICREW, HETHERINGTON, HALLIDAY, MARSH, BLACKSHEAR

I believe the Trinity County Texas Historical Society printed a cemetery book a couple of years ago.... does anyone know about the book? I was in Groveton a few weeks ago and no one seemed to know anything about it and I had no idea who to contact. Are the books still available? Bennett Cemetery is virtually full of my Richardson and allied families. I also found my g-g Grandfather and g-g-g Grandmother buried at Mt. Zion Cemetery! What a find! I sincerely appreciate your help. It really means a lot to me! Amy McCroskie Denver, CO

I am looking for the family of Nelly Davis from Gilmer, Texas. She was married in 1932 to my ggrandfather, George W. Raines. If anyone knows this lady or her children could they please contact me. I am doing family research and sure would like to exchange information. Sue Knudsen