Dear Paul I can help you to some extent - but there are far more experienced people in the USA who have done DNA testing to answer this very question. I can suggest two things. If you want to discuss it with the real experts face-to-face - then come to Who Do You Think You Are, 2013, next February. I would suggest otherwise you need both a standard 37-marker Y-DNA test and also a Family Finder test from FTDNA. I am almost certain there will be a discount if you order both together. Far more people have tested so far with the 37-marker Y-DNA test than with Family Finder. If you want to chat to someone more knowledgeable than me - I would go and try Emily Aulicino in Portland, Oregon. She writes a very good blog and is a personal friend of mine. She is always very busy - and will probably curse me for sending you to her - but she has a lot of practical experience with this sort of case in America. Also Richard Kenyon has a very personal experience of this sort of thing - and you can find and read his experience on the internet. He is a big fan of DNA testing to resolve this sort of problem. Just google him. We are away on holiday in Wales from Thursday for a fortnight - which is why I am recommending this course of action. If you can wait - I can pick it up when we return about the 4th April. I suggest we discuss it off-list - unless you want to continue the discussion in open forum - but I am very busy over the next 3 days so won't guarantee to reply. I am changing the title of the message thread - as it now has nothing to do with newspapers. Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Jubbie Sent: 18 March 2012 11:53 To: Dyfed List Subject: [Dyfed] DNA (was NLW scanning Welsh newspapers to put online) Hello Roy and others I have been reading this thread with great interest and seriously considering putting some money aside for this. I have a similar situation to others on here: My great grandfather was a deserted child and grew up in various institutions. He never knew who his parents were or when he was born. No parents names were listed on his marriage certificate and no birth certifcate circa 1893 can be traced for him despite spending over £100 looking for one. In the 1901/1911 census he was recorded with two different surnames; JUBBIE/GUBBIE or STRANGE, and two differerent places of birth; London or France. My great grandmother (wife of the above) was fostered as a baby girl circa 1892 and never knew her real parents either. In the 1901/1911 census she was recorded with two different surnames; DAVIES or THOMAS but same place of birth Llangendeirne. The marriage certificate does give a clue to her fathers name but is one of the most common names in Wales; Tom THOMAS, coal hewer. There are a couple of possible candidates for this father in Llangendeirne around the right time but I have still yet to find any matching birth certificate, depsite spending well over £100 in search of her birth certicate also. I am unsure which type of test/tests would be most appropriate in helping to find out who the fathers/mothers of the above were and wonder if anyone might be able to advise me further about it, what tests would be best and who i would need to get samples from, etc. Hoping someone 'in the know' can offer some advice on how to best achieve a result for this. Looking forward to any help. Many thanks. Paul Jubbie