Rather belatedly I am entering this discussion. My father was born in Pembroke Dock, where my grandfather worked in the Dockyard till it closed in the 1920's. I have always been interested in the names around this supposedly very 'English' area of South Pembs. which have obvious Welsh origins - even if corrupted over the years. I have assumed there are both 'old' names that have survived ?e.g. Pwllcrochen and ?neighbouring Rhoscrowther. In P.D itself Llanion (presumably 'churches' or enclosures). There also seem to be more recent (?17-19th centuries) names of some farms - including where some of my ancesters worked (eg Trewent near Stckpole Elidor). On both sides of my grandparents family there were Welsh speakers from Llandewi Velfry, Wiston, Bletherston etc. I just wonder if they went to work on farms where the owners were also Welsh-speaking and so had named their farms accordingly. I think we need to remember that however marked the Lansker line might be the distances are not far (22 miles Llandewi Velfry to Stackpole - they moved via Narberth and Manobier over a few years). I would be interested in others comments. Marcus Griffiths
On 17/2/12 16:50, "Marcus griffiths" <[email protected]> wrote: > I think we need to remember that however marked the Lansker line might > be the distances are not far (22 miles Llandewi Velfry to Stackpole - > they moved via Narberth and Manobier over a few years). > > I would be interested in others comments. > > Marcus Griffiths Hello Marcus 22 miles can be described as not far now, but before the coming of the railway to Pembrokeshire (1854) people did not travel very far and the Landsker then was a language dividing line [see http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearlsPEM.html#Landsker for an analysis of some parishes north, on and south of the line in 1891]. Most marriages in Llandewi Velfrey before 1812 were between couples who both lived in the parish. See my posting to the Dyfed list:- http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/DYFED/2007-02/1170529269. Gerry Lewis
Hi Marcus To add a little to what Gerry said. The article "The linguistic significance of the Pembrokeshire landsker" by Brian S.John that Gerry mentions on my Help Page feature he referred you to is now online on Welsh Journals Online http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1041698/llgc-id:1041935/llgc-id:1041944/get650 Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Lewis Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 5:52 PM To: Dyfed List Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Llanreath On 17/2/12 16:50, "Marcus griffiths" <[email protected]> wrote: > I think we need to remember that however marked the Lansker line might > be the distances are not far (22 miles Llandewi Velfry to Stackpole - > they moved via Narberth and Manobier over a few years). > > I would be interested in others comments. > > Marcus Griffiths Hello Marcus 22 miles can be described as not far now, but before the coming of the railway to Pembrokeshire (1854) people did not travel very far and the Landsker then was a language dividing line [see http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearlsPEM.html#Landsker for an analysis of some parishes north, on and south of the line in 1891]. Most marriages in Llandewi Velfrey before 1812 were between couples who both lived in the parish. See my posting to the Dyfed list:- http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/DYFED/2007-02/1170529269. Gerry Lewis ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message