Hello Reg (and Dai and List) This is the first time I've attempted a reply, so please excuse (and advise on) any protocol gaffes. Public Record Office Victoria online indexes for Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923, list a Griffiths(sic) and Elizth James, both aged 34, arriving Melbourne on the "Marco Polo" in July 1858 from a British port. Also a Wm James, aged 29 (but on a different page in the Log). The Marco Polo was a fast clipper ship that did regular runs from Britain to Melbourne in the late 1850s, just before steamers supplanted sail (some of my ancestors came out on her in 1859). The Victorian BDM Pioneers Index (1836-88) lists Griffith James and Elizabeth Davis (sic) having 3 children: Elizabeth at Melbourne in 1855 (Reg #10360), Jane at Amherst in 1861 (#15916) and finally Mary Eleanor at Amherst in1863 (# 18298), but died aged 1 in 1865 (but #9, so could well have been late 1864, as year given in index is year of registration, not necessarily that of the event). Amherst is a small settlement about 40km north of Ballarat and 10km south of Maryborough in central Victoria (and 150km from the sea), and would have been a gold mining area at that time. The Vic BDM Edwardian Index (1902-13) lists Griffith James (Fa: David James, Mo: Elizabeth Isaac), as died aged 76 at Talbot (2-3km from Amherst) in 1906 (#15065); Elizabeth James (Fa: Davies, Mo: Elizth U/kn), died aged 81 at Talbot in 1911 (#14984). Slight age discrepancies, but looks like them and suggests they settled permanently in the district. Ian Thomas Victoria, Aust. On 22/8/2013 8:16 AM, dyfed-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: (Pem) Help with a forename (Dai & Angela Bevan) > 2. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (yr achwr) > 3. (Pembs) Dick Of Pembroke (Andy Philpin) > 4. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Jennifer Cairns) > 5. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Gareth Hicks) > 6. Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (ANNE EVANS) > 7. Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 (REGINALD DAVIES) > 8. Wilson and Cooke (REGINALD DAVIES) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:33:05 +0100 (BST) > From: REGINALD DAVIES <regandpaddy@btinternet.com> > Subject: [Dyfed] Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 > To: "dyfed@rootsweb.com" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1377120785.71988.YahooMailNeo@web87805.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I'm writing the history of houses in Newport parish, Pembrokeshire and looking for some help. > ? > Griffith James, a mariner,? was born on 6 October 1824 at > Dinas, Pembrokeshire but would?grow up?at Noppyn a cottage on the mountain above Newport, Pembrokeshire. Abandoned as a home in the 1870s Noppyn was already a ruin by 1908. According to BG Charles nopyn is Welsh for a hillock. Any other suggestions welcomed. > ? > According to Board of Trade records whilst sailing on the Bejapore of > Liverpool Griffith James was discharged at Sydney on 28 February 1853. In 1854 he sailed on the > Geelong of London joining at Melbourne on 28 August and was discharged in > London on 4 April 1855. So he had returned home. > In 1857 Griffith James married > Elizabeth Davies aged 34 of Coynant very close to Noppyn at Newport church.?Neither Griffith nor his wife Elizabeth can > be found on any subsequent UK census enumeration.?Had?Griffith returned home to marry?his childhood sweetheart?prior to their emigration to Australia? Any ideas of how to trace their emigration if any. > ? > Reg Davies > ? > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > >

Dear Ian and Reg, Ian, I think you have done really well. I imagine Dr. Reg will be very pleased to receive such a comprehensive reply. Some of my own ancestors came out here in the 1850's to NSW and their vessel has been untraceable. I was told it was just like present day people taking the ferry across Sydney Harbour, not much attention was paid to who, why or when.......but noting the time frame I had immediately imagined this man had probably gone to the Goldfields. Hopefully he made enough money to go home, claim his bride, and return to a good life. The one in my family who did the best in the quest for gold was the one who opened a store to supply the miners....good thinking!!! >From the Pemb.marriage indices.....11/04/1820 David James of Little Newcastle married Elizabeth Isaac at Newport and then there are marriages between David Isaac in 1789 to Ann Patchell and John Isaac in 1788 to Mary Thomas, both at Newport. Other Isaac males married at Newport in the early 1800's, Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Thomas Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 8:44 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com ; Reginald Davies Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 175 - #7 - Griffith and Elizabeth (Eleanor?) James Hello Reg (and Dai and List) This is the first time I've attempted a reply, so please excuse (and advise on) any protocol gaffes. Public Record Office Victoria online indexes for Unassisted Inward Passenger Lists to Victoria 1852-1923, list a Griffiths(sic) and Elizth James, both aged 34, arriving Melbourne on the "Marco Polo" in July 1858 from a British port. Also a Wm James, aged 29 (but on a different page in the Log). The Marco Polo was a fast clipper ship that did regular runs from Britain to Melbourne in the late 1850s, just before steamers supplanted sail (some of my ancestors came out on her in 1859). The Victorian BDM Pioneers Index (1836-88) lists Griffith James and Elizabeth Davis (sic) having 3 children: Elizabeth at Melbourne in 1855 (Reg #10360), Jane at Amherst in 1861 (#15916) and finally Mary Eleanor at Amherst in1863 (# 18298), but died aged 1 in 1865 (but #9, so could well have been late 1864, as year given in index is year of registration, not necessarily that of the event). Amherst is a small settlement about 40km north of Ballarat and 10km south of Maryborough in central Victoria (and 150km from the sea), and would have been a gold mining area at that time. The Vic BDM Edwardian Index (1902-13) lists Griffith James (Fa: David James, Mo: Elizabeth Isaac), as died aged 76 at Talbot (2-3km from Amherst) in 1906 (#15065); Elizabeth James (Fa: Davies, Mo: Elizth U/kn), died aged 81 at Talbot in 1911 (#14984). Slight age discrepancies, but looks like them and suggests they settled permanently in the district. Ian Thomas Victoria, Aust. On 22/8/2013 8:16 AM, dyfed-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: (Pem) Help with a forename (Dai & Angela Bevan) > 2. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (yr achwr) > 3. (Pembs) Dick Of Pembroke (Andy Philpin) > 4. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Jennifer Cairns) > 5. Re: Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (Gareth Hicks) > 6. Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron (ANNE EVANS) > 7. Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 (REGINALD DAVIES) > 8. Wilson and Cooke (REGINALD DAVIES) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 22:33:05 +0100 (BST) > From: REGINALD DAVIES <regandpaddy@btinternet.com> > Subject: [Dyfed] Griffith and Eleanor James married 1857 > To: "dyfed@rootsweb.com" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1377120785.71988.YahooMailNeo@web87805.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I'm writing the history of houses in Newport parish, Pembrokeshire and > looking for some help. > ? > Griffith James, a mariner,? was born on 6 October 1824 at > Dinas, Pembrokeshire but would?grow up?at Noppyn a cottage on the mountain > above Newport, Pembrokeshire. Abandoned as a home in the 1870s Noppyn was > already a ruin by 1908. According to BG Charles nopyn is Welsh for a > hillock. Any other suggestions welcomed. > ? > According to Board of Trade records whilst sailing on the Bejapore of > Liverpool Griffith James was discharged at Sydney on 28 February 1853. In > 1854 he sailed on the > Geelong of London joining at Melbourne on 28 August and was discharged in > London on 4 April 1855. So he had returned home. > In 1857 Griffith James married > Elizabeth Davies aged 34 of Coynant very close to Noppyn at Newport > church.?Neither Griffith nor his wife Elizabeth can > be found on any subsequent UK census enumeration.?Had?Griffith returned > home to marry?his childhood sweetheart?prior to their emigration to > Australia? Any ideas of how to trace their emigration if any. > ? > Reg Davies > ? > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message