Anna Please accept apologies, I am returning to genealogical sojourns after several months off, being busy on more pressing projects, and just beginning to warm the grey matter. You have to research the pedigree, the Mansels were at Stradney Castle from about 1649, so this is a confirmation if Anne is buried at Stradney, her marriage disputes have been buried with her. I am pleased you raised this subject because we can complete the pedigree and refute the entry in the Complete Baronetage and other official records, which omit Anne and dismiss her marriage. The following is background information which will be entered in the pedigree. Unfortunately the baptisms are not recorded with dates of birth, I would agree and state if the baptism is the year of birth that Anne 1736 might be too young to have married Edward Vaughan Mansel. But there may have been cause to create this position and subsequent legal actions, such as a promissory marriage agreement. Having taken a quick perusal of the documents available the wife of Woodford Rice is named as Catherine in an Administration document dated 1771 SD1771-34 http://hdl.handle.net/10107/408751 An unmarried nephew Woodford Rice is named in his Administration document dated 1789 his sister Charlotte is administrator. John Rice of Carmarthen died with will 1732 with children named John, David, Mary, Evan, Elizabeth, Lettice. There is no mention of Woodford. Yet the following deed found within the MORGAN RICHARDSON (2) collection provides sufficient information to substantiate pedigree 1692-3 1781, July 25-26 1. Thomas Lloyd of Cwmgloyne, co. Pembroke, esq.; 2. Trustees of the will of John Rice late of Carmarthen, esq., decd.; 3. Woodford Rice of Carmarthen, esq. (only brother and devisee of the said John Rice who was eldest son and heir of John Rice late of Coedstrea, esq., decd.) and Joice Rice of Rhydygaia, parish of Llanpimsaint (widow of the said John Rice of Coedstrea and Mother of the said Woodford); 4. Vaughan Horton of Lletterllestry, co. Carmarthen, esq.; 5. James Bowen of Cardigan, gent.; 6. Rev. David Davies Morgan of New North St., Holborn, clerk, and Christiana, his wife (niece and executrix of John Morgan late of Cardigan, esq., decd.); 7. Charles Davies of Fleet St. and Hector Davies of Ludgate Hill, city of London, gentlemen (sons of the said D.D Morgan by Mary, his former wife). LEASE AND RELEASE of the capital messuage called Pentre Mawr and other messuages, etc., in the parish of Llanpimsaint as specified in No. 1653. Consideration: £2,217 (including money due on mortgage, cf. No. 1661). Endorsements: (1) Revocation and new appointment to uses by 6, 1785. (2) Memorandum of a Recovery suffered on the lands, 1781. John Rice is named in the following deeds 1722, 1. Richard David of the parish of Abergwilly, co. Carms., gent., and David Davies of the same place, gent., his son and heir; 2. Thomas Bowen of the parish of Newchurch, co. Carms., and William Robert of the parish of Llantharog, co. Carms., gent.; 3. John Rice of Llanllowthog, co. Carms., gent.; 4. Evan Bowen of the same parish, gent. SETTLEMENT made before the marriage of the said David Davies and Ann Bowen of the parish of Abergwilly, spinster, daughter of the said Evan Bowen, in consideration of one hundred and twenty pounds as marriage-portion, touching the capital messuage and lands called Tyr ycha yn Rheynis and Keven Trefynys in the parishes of Abergwilly and Lanpymsaint; a parcel of land in the parish of Lanpymsaint called Kirrig Mawr and Kirrig bychan; a messuage and lands called Perllan Dewill alias Henllan Dewill with a close called Park Morvydd verch Ievan Phelip in the parish of Abergwilly. Draft. Incomplete. All the best. Sir Arthur > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:28:24 +0100 > To: arthur.turnerthomas@live.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com; achwr@fsmail.net > From: bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Sir Edward Vaughan Mansel and his Clandestine Marriage part 2 > > I am extremely grateful for all this information. I should perhaps > have said that this is not my family; I am merely interested in > marriage customs and the like. > > I note that a 'Dame Anne Mansell' of Strade was buried on 20 January > 1763 aged 26 (Dyfed list posting Dec 2012) and wondered whether this > might have been Woodford's daughter. This would be consistent with > Anne's baptism in 1736, and Edward Vaughan Mansel's marriage to Mary > Shewen later in 1763. Not sure why Ann was at Stradey though - > Edward's seat was at Trimsaran. > > Anna > >