Anna, Your comment about "Dame Anne Mansell" of Stradey, raises interesting possibilities. The last of the Mansell line of Stradey, Mary Anne Mansell, left the property to Thomas Lewis, Solicitor of Llandeilo, who I trace back to Danygraig, Ffoswion and Clunadda Llanllawddog, (I descend from the Lewis's of Clunadda) and have wondered whether there was a family connection. She had married Edward Richard William Shewen, who changed his name to Mansell. There were two properties at Stradey. Stradey Castle as it is now known, and Stradey Mansion. The following Deeds show that both Sir Edward Vaughan Mansel and the Shewins were associated with Stradey. (Nevill Catalogue at NLW). 21. 1752, Oct. 24 1. Sir Edward Mansell of Trimsaran, co. Carm., bart, and Dame Mary, his wife 2. Chauncy Townsend of St Peter Le Poor, esq. LEASE of veins of coal and culm under Heolehene, Lloynhendy, Maeserdaven, Baradus, Parkymonith, Penevan, Tyrymorva, and Dufryn in Llanelly. 22. 1752, Oct. 24 1. Sir Edward Mansell of Trimsaran, bart 2. Chauncy Townsend of St Peter Le Poor, esq. LEASE of veins of coal and culm under Keven, Techon, Berwick, Baccass, Teer y Morva, Maes er daven, and Dufrin in Llanelly. 25. 1762, Aug. 2 1. Sir Edward Vaughan Mansel of Stradey, co. Carm., bart 1. Chauncy Townsend of Austin Fryers, London LEASE of veins of coal and culm in the hamlet of Berwick and p's Llanelly and Pembrey. 705. 1762, Aug. 2 1. Chauncy Townsend of Austin Fryers in the city of London, esq. 2. Daniel Shewen of Stradley, co. Carm., gent. ARTICLES OF AGREEMENT relating to payment for coal worked in Park y Crydd, or Kil y Vieg Vein, and Cwm Vein, p. Llanelly, and in Stradley Vein and Penyfigwn Vein, p's Llanelly and Pembrey. 1,100. [after 1767, July 17] ABSTRACT OF TITLE (1717 - 1767) of Edward William Richard Mansell, esq. ( late E. W. R. Skewen, esq.), and Mary Mansell, his wife, to the Mansell or Strady Estate in co. Carm. Mutilated. 39pp. (This might provide the pedigree for the Stradey Mansell's) Stradey Deeds are at Carmarthen Record Office, but not available, without the consent of David Mansell Lewis. I have been told that he will grant access to serious researchers. Another item on my to-do list, when I retire. ACHWR ======================================== Message Received: Sep 06 2013, 06:28 PM From: "Anna Brueton" <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> To: "Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas" <arthur.turnerthomas@live.com>, dyfed@rootsweb.com, achwr@fsmail.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Sir Edward Vaughan Mansel and his Clandestine  Marriage part 2 I am extremely grateful for all this information. I should perhaps have said that this is not my family; I am merely interested in marriage customs and the like. I note that a 'Dame Anne Mansell' of Strade was buried on 20 January 1763 aged 26 (Dyfed list posting Dec 2012) and wondered whether this might have been Woodford's daughter. This would be consistent with Anne's baptism in 1736, and Edward Vaughan Mansel's marriage to Mary Shewen later in 1763. Not sure why Ann was at Stradey though - Edward's seat was at Trimsaran. Anna ACHWR