Dyfed, Forwarded for Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas who is apparently having problems posting. [ I attempting to clarify whether this is Part 1 of the posting which has 'Part 2 in the Subject line.] -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Sir Edward Vaughan Mansel and his Clandestine Marriage Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 14:23:32 +0000 From: Sir Arthur Edwyn Turner-Thomas <arthur.turnerthomas@live.com> To: daibevan@clara.co.uk <daibevan@clara.co.uk> Dai Ignore the statement regarding Joyce Price was in all probably the wife of Woodford Rice senior. The below deed confirms relationships. 1692-3 1781, July 25-26 1. Thomas Lloyd of Cwmgloyne, co. Pembroke, esq.; 2. Trustees of the will of John Rice late of Carmarthen, esq., decd.; 3. Woodford Rice of Carmarthen, esq. (only brother and devisee of the said John Rice who was eldest son and heir of John Rice late of Coedstrea, esq., decd.) and Joice Rice of Rhydygaia, parish of Llanpimsaint (widow of the said John Rice of Coedstrea and Mother of the said Woodford); 4. Vaughan Horton of Lletterllestry, co. Carmarthen, esq.; 5. James Bowen of Cardigan, gent.; 6. Rev. David Davies Morgan of New North St., Holborn, clerk, and Christiana, his wife (niece and executrix of John Morgan late of Cardigan, esq., decd.); 7. Charles Davies of Fleet St. and Hector Davies of Ludgate Hill, city of London, gentlemen (sons of the said D.D Morgan by Mary, his former wife). LEASE AND RELEASE of the capital messuage called Pentre Mawr and other messuages, etc., in the parish of Llanpimsaint as specified in No. 1653. Consideration: £2,217 (including money due on mortgage, cf. No. 1661). Endorsements: (1) Revocation and new appointment to uses by 6, 1785. (2) Memorandum of a Recovery suffered on the lands, 1781. From: arthur.turnerthomas@live.com To: daibevan@clara.co.uk Subject: [Dyfed] Sir Edward Vaughan Mansel and his Clandestine Marriage Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 12:56:48 +0000 Dai It appears my messages are not getting through to the list so I thought of sending to you direct to post. The persons mentioned in the will of Joyce Price of Llanllawddog SD1784-150 http://hdl.handle.net/10107/890964 may give rise to a different pedigree. Joyce Price was in all probably the wife of Woodford Rice senior SD/1771/34. Joyce Price was an educated and literate woman, as she signed her will. Grandson John Perkins, son of William Perkins of Llangelor Granddaughter Anne Bowen daughter of my daughter Anne Jones Anne Price or Rice of Penboyr daughter of my late son John Price Son Woodford Price of St Peters Daughter Joyce Perkins wife of William Perkins The grant of Administration, 1789 of David Rice of Llanllawddog SD1789-133 http://hdl.handle.net/10107/69141 was administered by his sister Charlotte The grant of Administration, 1789 of Woodford Rice of Llanllawddog SD1789-135 http://hdl.handle.net/10107/637828 was administered by his sister Charlotte The grant of Administration, 1789 of Henry Rice of Llanllawddog SD1789-134 http://hdl.handle.net/10107/546888 was administered by his sister Charlotte Burial records Last name:RiceFirst Name:JohnCounty:CarmarthenshirePlace / Parish:Carmarthen, St PeterAge:Burial Year:1772Burial Month:JunBurial Day:27 Last name:Rice First Name:WoodfordCounty:CarmarthenshirePlace / Parish:Carmarthen, St PeterAge:Burial Year:1771Burial Month:FebBurial Day:11 Last name:PriceFirst Name:JoyceCounty:CarmarthenshirePlace / Parish:LlangelerAge:Burial Year:1784Burial Month:MarBurial Day:22 Last name:RiceFirst Name:WoodfordCounty:CarmarthenshirePlace / Parish:LlanllawddogAge:Burial Year:1787Burial Month:AugBurial Day:10 Baptisms Woodford Rice as father Forenames:AnneSurname:RiceBaptism Year:1736Baptism Month:JulBaptism Day:22Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire Forenames:CharlesSurname:RiceBaptism Year:1745Baptism Month:JanBaptism Day:-Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire Forenames:DavidSurname:RiceBaptism Year:1740Baptism Month:MayBaptism Day:29Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire Forenames:GraceSurname:RiceBaptism Year:1737Baptism Month:AugBaptism Day:15Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire Forenames:HarrySurname:RiceBaptism Year:1748Baptism Month:JulBaptism Day:15Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire Forenames:JohnSurname:RiceBaptism Year:1726Baptism Month:MayBaptism Day:18Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire Forenames:Margaret ElizabethSurname:RiceBaptism Year:1742Baptism Month:JanBaptism Day:09Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire Forenames:MauriceSurname:RiceBaptism Year:1728Baptism Month:JulBaptism Day:08Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire Forenames:MosesSurname:RiceBaptism Year:1735Baptism Month:JunBaptism Day:09Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire Forenames:RichardSurname:RiceBaptism Year:1738Baptism Month:OctBaptism Day:30Place:LlanllawddogCounty:Carmarthenshire