Dear Anne [second try] You may not believe this... when I heard of Annie's death I went through the emails I had had from her, to see when the last one was before August 2012. This I found was one dated June 2012.  And in it is the answer to the question that you asked both the list and myself about the connections/relationship of "your"  John Jones of various places in Cardiganshire, and the Williams family of Pantysieri/Strata Florida/etc. Hope it is useful for you. You wrote to me off list thus...Many thanks for your reply to me.   Did you say in a previous email  that you were studying the tree of William Williams and his brother Nathaniel? if so do you happen to know if they had sisters? This is a long shot  but  am wondering if my ancestor  John Jones Coedmawr Llanddewi Brefi (gent) is the  son of a Williams  girl( if she exists!)   It is because John Jones had a brother Nathaniel Jones and also John Jones Coedmawr was related to Jones family of Bryn Helem LB. I have found this out recently. There was a James Jones in Brynhelem tree, and James Jones who signed will of William williams could also be related . My Jones of Coedmawr and his descendants  were Calvinistic Methodists. end of your message. And this is what Annie wrote to me just over a year ago. (My interest is in Nathaniel Williams, Abbey Farm, and his brother William] email is datedJune 1st 2012 Hi:  I mentioned last night that Nathaniel Williams hit a bell or something. My cousin who lives near Newcastle Emlyn is always sending me bit and pieces of history.  Her late mother was the family genealogist.  Here is what she sent me on Nathaniel Williams of Mynachlog Fawr, Pont, son of David Williams of Dolgoch. Nathaniel had a daughter named Gwen who married Rhys Davies of Pantyclwydau, who was a brother of William Davies of Hafdre. John Williams of Dolgoch, Llanddewi Brefi, had son David Williams of Dolgoch, High Sheriff of Cardiganshire in 1725, who in turn had a son named Nathaniel Williams of Mynachlog fawr, Pont.  It mentions the dau again and says that her son, John Davies changed his name to Jones.  He inherited Hafdre rom his Uncle William.  John Jones moved to nanfllwyddied in 1824.  He had lots of son who eventually populated the area and moved to the bigger farms around. One son was Thomas Jones, Hafdre and Bronrhelem.  He married Ann of Landre, Cwrtycadro and had 9 children including a dau Ann Jones.  Ann Jones married David Evans  of Panuwch and Llwyncadfor stud Farm, Brongest, who was the son of a schoolmaster in Llangeitho who was the son of a Doctor from Llandegley near Llandrindod. Hope this helps you. Annie Hope this helps... it looks as though your John Jones started life as John Davies Jen ________________________________ From: ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> To: "DYFED@rootsweb.com" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 17:27 Subject: [Dyfed] Annie Lloyd Hi List,     Annie helped me greatly with my Ceredigion tree.  She was extremely knowledgeable, which was really something considering she had been born in US. She used to rap me over the knuckles but I did not really mind!.       Yvonne Evans ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message