Elizabeth, You quote: "Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church Here Lie the remains of THOMAS DEVONALD late Merchant of this city Who was born Near Haverford West Pembrokeshire South Wales Died the 11th day of October 1793 aged 34 years" You then give: "Name: Thomas Devonald Arrival Year: 1794 Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Source Publication Code: 1224.2 Primary Immigrant: Devonald, Thomas Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention in the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) to 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and Limited Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). Name and mari Source Bibliography: COLDHAM, PETER WILSON. English Estates of American Colonists, American Wills and Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1700-1799. Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1980. 140p. Page: 33" How could Thomas Devonald buried in Philadelphia in October 1793 arrive in the USA in 1794? Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Dec 22 2013, 08:06 PM From: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: "Simon Carter" <s.n.carter@btinternet.com> Cc: "Dyfed" <DYFED-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Help wanted - Thomas Devonald 1794 The record Ancestry has is 1794 and appears to be his death proving he was in the Colony rather than an actual arrival. If you are a brave and determined researcher, familysearch.org has the Philadelphia ship records Do you have this: Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church Here Lie the remains of THOMAS DEVONALD late Merchant of this city Who was born Near Haverford West Pembrokeshire South Wales Died the 11th day of October 1793 aged 34 years Source Information: Ancestry.com. Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2002. Original data: Clark, Edward L. Record of the Inscriptions on the Tablets and Grave-stones in the Burial-Grounds of Christ Church, Philadelphia. Philadelphia, PA, USA: Colines, Printer, 1864 He also gets a mention in English Estates of American Colonists, 1700-1799 Name: Thomas Devonald Arrival Year: 1794 Arrival Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Source Publication Code: 1224.2 Primary Immigrant: Devonald, Thomas Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention in the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) to 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and Limited Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). Name and mari Source Bibliography: COLDHAM, PETER WILSON. English Estates of American Colonists, American Wills and Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1700-1799. Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1980. 140p. Page: 33 Pennsylvania records at https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=23 There is a lot to be seen Pennsylvania, Births and Christenings, 1709-1950 951,480 09 Mar 2012 Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950 2,221,287 08 Sep 2012 Pennsylvania, Eastern District Naturalization Indexes, 1795-1952 231,641 29 Apr 2013 Pennsylvania, Eastern District Petitions for Naturalization, 1795-1931 Browse Images 09 Dec 2011 Pennsylvania, Marriages, 1709-1940 476,245 09 Mar 2012 Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Case Files of Chinese Immigrants, 1900-1923 Browse Images 15 Apr 2011 Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Births, 1860-1906 1,022,168 24 Jun 2012 Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Death Certificates, 1803-1915 2,442,468 28 Jun 2012 Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Marriage Indexes, 1885-1951 1,830,468 02 Mar 2013 Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger List Index Cards, 1883-1948 1,153,207 29 Apr 2013 Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1882 489,494 20 Mar 2013 Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1883-1945 971,459 26 Sep 2013 Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh City Deaths, 1870-1905 164,487 05 Nov 2013 Pennsylvania, Probate Records, 1683-1994 Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Simon Carter <s.n.carter@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone have a World-wide sub to Ancestry and could do a look-up? > > I am trying to find a bit more about Thomas Devonald, a linen draper of > London (but born near Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire) who died in > Philadelphia 11 Oct 1793. His will was proved PCC on 21 Feb 1794 (I have a > copy from TNA - PROB11/1241), but he is buried in Christ Church grave yard, > Philadelphia (I also have the MI). But Ancestry have an Immigration & > Travel entry for a Thomas Devonald to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (I do not > have the date, but I guess it's probably going to be 1792). > This may tell me very little (it might even be the wrong man), but it > would be useful to find out. > > If anyone is looking at this man in their research, I would love to hear > from you. > > Thanks in advance. > > Simon Carter > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

I will work on this more tomorrow Rees is so common as is Price being Welsh in early PA is to be a sardine in a school of Sardines <G> The way I read it, it is more that something about him appeared in 1794, not so much a passenger manifest. I think this explains it Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention in the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) to 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and Limited Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). This URL might give you COD likely Yellow Fever http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clementsmss/umich-wcl-M-1898fis?view=text em you will need to read it but it has this in the index (1799???? what the?) Devonald, Thomas, d. 1793 - 1794 May 25 - 1799 January 17 This will get you a copy of the 1791 Philly directory in transcription but you can hunt the Rees Google found this (odd but maybe useful, after all Christ Church is Episcopal) http://archive.org/stream/earlybaptistsofp00spen/earlybaptistsofp00spen_djvu.txt >From this excellent epistle, the first of the kind extant in this country, has sprung the various styles of circular letters now furnished in our different Associational meetings. All those of the Philadelphia Association would, if gathered together, furnish a valuable, interesting and profitable book. In 1729, for the first time, the names of the messengers (twenty-two in all) to the Association appear. They are as follows : — Jno. David, Ben Stelle, Owen Thomas, Geo. Hugh, Gershom Mott, Joseph Eaton, Jno. Devonald, John Welledge, Wm. Kinnersley, Samuel Osgood, John Clarkson, John Holmes, Jeremiah Kollet, John Bartholomew, John Heart, Robert Chalfant, Elisha Thomas, George Eaton, Dickison Shephard, Jenkin Jones, Ebenezer Smith, Simon Butler. Eliz From greater Downtown Bart, Lancaster Co., PA 45 miles from Philly <G> it is fun to do local work!! Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:53 PM, RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> wrote: > Elizabeth, > > You quote: > > "Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church > Here Lie the remains of > THOMAS DEVONALD > late Merchant of this city > Who was born > Near Haverford West Pembrokeshire South Wales > Died the 11th day of October 1793 > aged 34 years" > > You then give: > > "Name: Thomas Devonald Arrival Year: 1794 Arrival Place: Philadelphia, > Pennsylvania Source Publication Code: 1224.2 Primary Immigrant: > Devonald, > Thomas Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention > in > the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) > to > 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and Limited > Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). Name and mari Source Bibliography: > COLDHAM, > PETER WILSON. English Estates of American Colonists, American Wills and > Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1700-1799. > Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1980. 140p. Page: 33" > > How could Thomas Devonald buried in Philadelphia in October 1793 arrive in > the USA in 1794? > > Rhodri > > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2013, 08:06 PM > From: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: "Simon Carter" <s.n.carter@btinternet.com> > Cc: "Dyfed" <DYFED-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Help wanted - Thomas Devonald 1794 > > The record Ancestry has is 1794 and appears to be his death proving he was > in the Colony rather than an actual arrival. > > If you are a brave and determined researcher, familysearch.org has the > Philadelphia ship records > Do you have this: > > Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church > Here Lie the remains of > THOMAS DEVONALD > late Merchant of this city > Who was born > Near Haverford West Pembrokeshire South Wales > Died the 11th day of October 1793 > aged 34 years > > Source Information: > Ancestry.com. Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church > [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2002. > Original data: Clark, Edward L. Record of the Inscriptions on the Tablets > and Grave-stones in the Burial-Grounds of Christ Church, Philadelphia. > Philadelphia, PA, USA: Colines, Printer, 1864 > > He also gets a mention in English Estates of American Colonists, > 1700-1799 > > Name: Thomas Devonald Arrival Year: 1794 Arrival Place: Philadelphia, > Pennsylvania Source Publication Code: 1224.2 Primary Immigrant: > Devonald, > Thomas Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention > in > the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) > to > 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and Limited > Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). Name and mari Source Bibliography: > COLDHAM, > PETER WILSON. English Estates of American Colonists, American Wills and > Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1700-1799. > Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1980. 140p. Page: 33 > > Pennsylvania records at > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=23 > There is a lot to be seen > Pennsylvania, Births and Christenings, 1709-1950 951,480 09 Mar 2012 > Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950 2,221,287 08 Sep 2012 > Pennsylvania, Eastern District Naturalization Indexes, 1795-1952 > 231,641 29 Apr 2013 > Pennsylvania, Eastern District Petitions for Naturalization, 1795-1931 > Browse Images 09 Dec 2011 > Pennsylvania, Marriages, 1709-1940 476,245 09 Mar 2012 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Case Files of Chinese Immigrants, 1900-1923 > Browse Images 15 Apr 2011 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Births, 1860-1906 1,022,168 24 Jun > 2012 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Death Certificates, 1803-1915 > 2,442,468 28 Jun 2012 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Marriage Indexes, 1885-1951 1,830,468 02 > Mar 2013 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger List Index Cards, 1883-1948 > 1,153,207 29 Apr 2013 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1882 489,494 20 Mar > 2013 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1883-1945 971,459 26 Sep > 2013 > Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh City Deaths, 1870-1905 164,487 05 Nov 2013 > Pennsylvania, Probate Records, 1683-1994 > > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (Anon) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Simon Carter <s.n.carter@btinternet.com > >wrote: > > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a World-wide sub to Ancestry and could do a look-up? > > > > I am trying to find a bit more about Thomas Devonald, a linen draper of > > London (but born near Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire) who died in > > Philadelphia 11 Oct 1793. His will was proved PCC on 21 Feb 1794 (I > have a > > copy from TNA - PROB11/1241), but he is buried in Christ Church grave > yard, > > Philadelphia (I also have the MI). But Ancestry have an Immigration & > > Travel entry for a Thomas Devonald to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (I do > not > > have the date, but I guess it's probably going to be 1792). > > This may tell me very little (it might even be the wrong man), but it > > would be useful to find out. > > > > If anyone is looking at this man in their research, I would love to hear > > from you. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Simon Carter > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list REVISED resources > http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Rhodri >

Dear Elizabeth, Your reply to Simon went straight to my Junk Mail section....luckily I looked at it. I did notice the name of Samuel Price......he was Thomas Devonald's partner in London....presumably London UK, unless there was one in the USA as well. I wonder if he went to the USA on business after Thomas Devonald died. A Baptist John Devonald went to Welsh Tract, Pennsylvania in the early 1700's...his wife was Mary whom nobody has identified pre-marriage...and they established themselves and their family there and their children have been well investigated by their American descendants. The convict John Devonald who was transported to Australia, never to be allowed back into Great Britain, astounded me when I found he and his wife, Sarah, returning as passengers from a visit to America.....I have never found how they left Australian Shores or the reason for their trip. This was in the mid. 1800's. If any of these pop into your research, please advise. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Eliz Hanebury Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 10:36 AM To: rdafis@fsmail.net Cc: Dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Help wanted - Thomas Devonald 1794 I will work on this more tomorrow Rees is so common as is Price being Welsh in early PA is to be a sardine in a school of Sardines <G> The way I read it, it is more that something about him appeared in 1794, not so much a passenger manifest. I think this explains it Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention in the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) to 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and Limited Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). This URL might give you COD likely Yellow Fever http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clementsmss/umich-wcl-M-1898fis?view=text em you will need to read it but it has this in the index (1799???? what the?) Devonald, Thomas, d. 1793 - 1794 May 25 - 1799 January 17 This will get you a copy of the 1791 Philly directory in transcription but you can hunt the Rees Google found this (odd but maybe useful, after all Christ Church is Episcopal) http://archive.org/stream/earlybaptistsofp00spen/earlybaptistsofp00spen_djvu.txt >From this excellent epistle, the first of the kind extant in this country, has sprung the various styles of circular letters now furnished in our different Associational meetings. All those of the Philadelphia Association would, if gathered together, furnish a valuable, interesting and profitable book. In 1729, for the first time, the names of the messengers (twenty-two in all) to the Association appear. They are as follows : — Jno. David, Ben Stelle, Owen Thomas, Geo. Hugh, Gershom Mott, Joseph Eaton, Jno. Devonald, John Welledge, Wm. Kinnersley, Samuel Osgood, John Clarkson, John Holmes, Jeremiah Kollet, John Bartholomew, John Heart, Robert Chalfant, Elisha Thomas, George Eaton, Dickison Shephard, Jenkin Jones, Ebenezer Smith, Simon Butler. Eliz From greater Downtown Bart, Lancaster Co., PA 45 miles from Philly <G> it is fun to do local work!! Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:53 PM, RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> wrote: > Elizabeth, > > You quote: > > "Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church > Here Lie the remains of > THOMAS DEVONALD > late Merchant of this city > Who was born > Near Haverford West Pembrokeshire South Wales > Died the 11th day of October 1793 > aged 34 years" > > You then give: > > "Name: Thomas Devonald Arrival Year: 1794 Arrival Place: Philadelphia, > Pennsylvania Source Publication Code: 1224.2 Primary Immigrant: > Devonald, > Thomas Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention > in > the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) > to > 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and > Limited > Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). Name and mari Source Bibliography: > COLDHAM, > PETER WILSON. English Estates of American Colonists, American Wills and > Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1700-1799. > Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1980. 140p. Page: 33" > > How could Thomas Devonald buried in Philadelphia in October 1793 arrive in > the USA in 1794? > > Rhodri > > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2013, 08:06 PM > From: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: "Simon Carter" <s.n.carter@btinternet.com> > Cc: "Dyfed" <DYFED-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Help wanted - Thomas Devonald 1794 > > The record Ancestry has is 1794 and appears to be his death proving he > was > in the Colony rather than an actual arrival. > > If you are a brave and determined researcher, familysearch.org has the > Philadelphia ship records > Do you have this: > > Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church > Here Lie the remains of > THOMAS DEVONALD > late Merchant of this city > Who was born > Near Haverford West Pembrokeshire South Wales > Died the 11th day of October 1793 > aged 34 years > > Source Information: > Ancestry.com. Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church > [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2002. > Original data: Clark, Edward L. Record of the Inscriptions on the Tablets > and Grave-stones in the Burial-Grounds of Christ Church, Philadelphia. > Philadelphia, PA, USA: Colines, Printer, 1864 > > He also gets a mention in English Estates of American Colonists, > 1700-1799 > > Name: Thomas Devonald Arrival Year: 1794 Arrival Place: Philadelphia, > Pennsylvania Source Publication Code: 1224.2 Primary Immigrant: > Devonald, > Thomas Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention > in > the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) > to > 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and > Limited > Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). Name and mari Source Bibliography: > COLDHAM, > PETER WILSON. English Estates of American Colonists, American Wills and > Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1700-1799. > Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1980. 140p. Page: 33 > > Pennsylvania records at > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=23 > There is a lot to be seen > Pennsylvania, Births and Christenings, 1709-1950 951,480 09 Mar > 2012 > Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950 2,221,287 08 Sep 2012 > Pennsylvania, Eastern District Naturalization Indexes, 1795-1952 > 231,641 29 Apr 2013 > Pennsylvania, Eastern District Petitions for Naturalization, 1795-1931 > Browse Images 09 Dec 2011 > Pennsylvania, Marriages, 1709-1940 476,245 09 Mar 2012 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Case Files of Chinese Immigrants, 1900-1923 > Browse Images 15 Apr 2011 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Births, 1860-1906 1,022,168 24 Jun > 2012 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Death Certificates, 1803-1915 > 2,442,468 28 Jun 2012 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Marriage Indexes, 1885-1951 1,830,468 02 > Mar 2013 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger List Index Cards, 1883-1948 > 1,153,207 29 Apr 2013 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1882 489,494 20 > Mar > 2013 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1883-1945 971,459 26 > Sep > 2013 > Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh City Deaths, 1870-1905 164,487 05 Nov 2013 > Pennsylvania, Probate Records, 1683-1994 > > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (Anon) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Simon Carter <s.n.carter@btinternet.com > >wrote: > > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a World-wide sub to Ancestry and could do a look-up? > > > > I am trying to find a bit more about Thomas Devonald, a linen draper of > > London (but born near Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire) who died in > > Philadelphia 11 Oct 1793. His will was proved PCC on 21 Feb 1794 (I > have a > > copy from TNA - PROB11/1241), but he is buried in Christ Church grave > yard, > > Philadelphia (I also have the MI). But Ancestry have an Immigration & > > Travel entry for a Thomas Devonald to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (I do > not > > have the date, but I guess it's probably going to be 1792). > > This may tell me very little (it might even be the wrong man), but it > > would be useful to find out. > > > > If anyone is looking at this man in their research, I would love to > hear > > from you. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Simon Carter > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list REVISED resources > http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Rhodri > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message