Bettye, Forgive me, but I could not resist copying my reply with a curtailed version of your message to the Dyfed List, as it admirably demonstrates the danger of assuming that the "Gospel" according to Francis is "The Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth." The Grondre associated with the Colby's is in the Parish of Bletherston. See: http://hdl.handle.net/10107/492545 Nothing to do with the part of Cilymaenllwyd Parish known as Grondre. Francis's spawn have yet again made a mockery of their fathers research, to give him the benefit of the doubt. The James Lewis with a Memorial Window at Tenby is probably the James Lewis of Grondre, Cilymaenllwyd who made his will on the 1st April 1824 proved 1825. See: http://hdl.handle.net/10107/12497 Nothing to do with Grondre, Bletherston. When will you realise Bettye that Francis was a Cataloguer not a Historian or Genealogist except for those families he connected to himself. He simply collected references, and his sprogs have seen an opportunity to profit by publishing his notes, without checking facts. Please don't assume anything is correct without checking. Grondre has always confused me. It is variously described as being part of either Cilymaenllwyd or Egremont, which are both Carmarthenshire Parishes, but Grondre is in Pembrokeshire and also described as being part of Llandissilio. The explanation might lie in the fact that all these parishes were served by the same incumbent. Egremont and Cilymaenllwyd are in the Hundred of Derllys Carmarthenshire, and not in Dungleddy as stated by Caroline Jones. If they can't get that much right, how much credence can you give any of the other "facts" quoted on the authority of Francis Jones Herald of Wales Extraordinary (Incompetent). Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Feb 17 2014, 04:42 AM From: "Lance Kirkwood" To: "Simon Carter" Cc: "Rhodri Dafis" Subject: Isaiah Devonald and the Morgans....of Grondre Dear Simon, Looking for something else I stumbled on Grondre, Grondre in Caroline Charles Jones extended version of the Major’s Historic Pembs. Homes book. It read: This was the home of the Colby family in the latter half of the 17th. century, marked on Colby’s Map 1831 just southeast of Vaynor Farm. John Colby of Grondre in 1695 succeeded Richard Colby who paid tax on one heath in 1670 showing it was not a commodious house at that time. Also living at Grondre was cousin, Lawrence Colby, Will proved 11 April 1700. The house belonged in 1786 to Rowland Edwardes and was tenanted by James Lewis whose memorial window in St. Anne’s chapel, St, Mary’s Tenby is inscribed ‘In memory of James Lewis of Grondre, died 6 December, 1824’. By 1843 Frances Morgan was owner-occupier farming 210 acres. Lewis tells us that ‘Grondre, a hamlet in that part of Killymaenllwyd parish which is in the Hundred of Dungleddy, three miles northeast of Narberth, forms an inconsiderable and detached portion of the parish, all the rest situated in Hundred of Derllys, Carms. Ref, Spence-Colby Deeds, Lewis TDW 1834. Regards Bettye K. Rhodri