Hello Annette The only James Lloyd of about the right age in the Milford area in the 1851 census (DFHS fiche) was aged 1, born Robeston West and living with his father (?) William Lloyd aged 34 (born Walton West) in St Ishmaels (Schedule 33, folio 180. Page 8). Robeston West parish is about 3 miles north west of Milford and St Ishmaels parish is 4 miles west of Milford. There are two possible candidates on FreeBMD - one born in September quarter 1849 and another in December quarter 1849 (Haverfordwest District) In the 1841 census for the Milford area there is a William Lloyd aged 25 (- 29) living in Herbrandston parish (3 miles west of Milford and butting on to both St Ishmaels and Robeston West). He appears to be living with a Mary aged 20 (-24). Didn't he have to give the name of his father on his marriage certificate? Gerry Lewis On 04/02/2014 02:15, "Annette McLean" <dandamclean@ubernet.co.nz> wrote: >I am looking for the birth and parents of James LLoyd (maybe James Henry >LLOYD) > >He came to NZ about 1860 I think. First trace in NZ was his marriage to >Matilda Davidson on the 19th Nov 1879 in Auckland. Occupation, Mariner. >He gave his age as 28 and had resided in NZ or Auckland 19 years, which >makes his birth date about 1850/51. > >On the birth registration of his first child, James Henry LLOYD in Sep >1880 he says he is 30 yrs. old, from MILFORD, Wales. He was the >informant and James Henry LLOYD was how his name was recorded. >He did the same on the death registrations for James Henry in 1882 but >both were signed with his mark, X. > >On the birth of his second child, Harriett Matilda LLOYD in June 1882 he >is 32 but comes from Newport Wales, but this information was given by his >wife. Harriett died in 1882. > >Their third child Rachel Harriett was born 1883 in Auckland. > >My grandmother, Annie Elizabeth, was born in 1885 in Auckland. > >Just to confuse things a bit more, on the birth registration of his 5th >and last child, Matilda, in 1892, his place of birth was given as >Londonderry, Ireland. This time no informant was named and I am guessing >that it may have been his wife. She came from Ireland. > >James was a mariner until the late 1880¹s when he joined Village >Homestead Settlement in the Hokianga in the north of NZ. They had a small >farm and he also worked on the roads and dug gum. > >James died 1918 in Rawene, Hokianga. > >So, form the dates I have he was born about 1850/51, in either MILFORD or >NEWPORT (but HE gave MILFORD as his place of birth) Left Wales about >1860 aged about 9, so probably came out with his parents?? > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Annette > >================================ >Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >[Dec2012] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Hullo Gerry Thanks for your reply In 1879 in NZ they did not name the parents on a marriage certificate nor on the Intensions to Marry. On the marriage certificate it has where and when they married, their names, if they were over 21 their age was written as "full', their occupation, their condition (if single or married) and the minister. It looks if one person had written out the whole document, (the Minister) even where the couple should have signed it, and had also added the witnesses names and address. The witness were a Master Mariner and the owner of the dwelling were they where married. Maybe they had no other family in NZ. The Intension of marriage at least gave their age and how long they had been in the town or country. Hello Annette The only James Lloyd of about the right age in the Milford area in the 1851 census (DFHS fiche) was aged 1, born Robeston West Yes I found that one. Also found a James LLOYD age 1, born St Ipells Harroldston, son of Thomas (a farm labourer) and Mary (Address: Black Hill Parish: St Issells Haroldston Registration District: St Issells Haroldston, Pembrokeshire) ref: HO107/2478/~F11 There are two possible candidates on FreeBMD - one born in September quarter 1849 and another in December quarter 1849 (Haverfordwest District) In the Civil Registrations for Haverfordwest, 1849 there were 2 and 1 in 1852. There was also a John James and a William James registered in 1851 In the 1841 census for the Milford area there is a William Lloyd aged 25 (- 29) living in Herbrandston parish (3 miles west of Milford and butting on to both St Ishmaels and Robeston West). He appears to be living with a Mary aged 20 (-24). On the 1841 census I found a William, carpenter, living with a David (labourer) and Ann LLOYD both age 55 at Stoney Slade but darn if I can find the one you found. This has been a hard family to trace. My grandmother died when my Mum was about 12. (We think that she had gone with her mother when her parents separated) Her Aunty Rachel stayed on the land with her dad and never married. Her father apparently never approved of the man she was keen on so he went back to England. Later in my Mums life she and Aunt Rachel use to exchange Xmas letters. A number of years ago we made a trip to the Hokianga to see where the family had lived, in a place called Waiotemarama Gorge. We met a lady in her mid 80's and she told us what she could remember about the family. She also rang her older sister who said the "Jimmy was a grumpy little man and Matilda left him" (that was his wife). All local records were lost in a fire at Rawene, were the local District Council was situated. I have never found a hint of James’s parents or if they came to NZ. He may have come out as crew when he was just a boy of 9 or 10. Maybe one day I will trip over some more information about him Confused smile Annette