Dear List, This is directed mainly at Mr. Paul Vivash if he is available, but another Lister may have an explanation. I’m just curious! St. George’s Hanover Square seems to be one of the most fashionable wedding venues for the gentry.....at least in fiction late 17-early-1800’s. One of my Devonalds married the daughter of the “Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monmouthshire and one of the curates of St. George’s Hanover Square”. This was shown in a newspaper cutting...it is not as if the rector could pop up the road and do both jobs simultaneously so what I would like to know is if it was a common practice to draw lesser clergy from various parts of the country to assist the incumbent at St. George’s...or were there special reasons for such men to be allocated these curate roles in London. I would have imagined the senior minister at such a major Church would have several curates, in residence, to help him. Did the incumbent attend to births, deaths and marriage...any pomp and circumstance..... and was the curate’s role more administrative? The Nicholas daughters appear to have married in various Counties so it apparently did not entitle him to preside over his children’s weddings at such an exalted location. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Bettye - According to the dictionary of Genealogy: "until the 17th century the term 'curate' was often synonymous with 'incumbent', but latterly it was applied almost exclusively to an assistant parish priest, paid a salary or stipend and removable by the incumbent or bishop. A Perpetual Curate is one in charge of a parish church where the tithes have been impropriated and there is no endowed vicarage." The rector was "the owner of a parish benefice, who was also the recipient, until they were commuted, of the Great Tithes. He was responsible for the upkeep of the chancel of his church as his private portion of the building." Hope this helps. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Lance Kirkwood Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:46 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Men of religion Dear List, This is directed mainly at Mr. Paul Vivash if he is available, but another Lister may have an explanation. I’m just curious! St. George’s Hanover Square seems to be one of the most fashionable wedding venues for the gentry.....at least in fiction late 17-early-1800’s. One of my Devonalds married the daughter of the “Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monmouthshire and one of the curates of St. George’s Hanover Square”. This was shown in a newspaper cutting...it is not as if the rector could pop up the road and do both jobs simultaneously so what I would like to know is if it was a common practice to draw lesser clergy from various parts of the country to assist the incumbent at St. George’s...or were there special reasons for such men to be allocated these curate roles in London. I would have imagined the senior minister at such a major Church would have several curates, in residence, to help him. Did the incumbent attend to births, deaths and marriage...any pomp and circumstance..... and was the curate’s role more administrative? The Nicholas daughters appear to have married in various Counties so it apparently did not entitle him to preside over his children’s weddings at such an exalted location. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Lynne, Thank you for your reply......I was hoping someone would know if parish clergymen were called upon to go to London to assist on special occasions and if and why certain people were chosen for such a task. It surprised me that a Welshman would be called for such a duty......he must have been fluent in English, I imagine...or had some special skill. I have another record where this man received 30l annual salary and had to maintain a wife and family of 6 children. ...another rector is recorded as having 6 children and only received 18l. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 5:08 AM To: Lance Kirkwood ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Men of religion Bettye - According to the dictionary of Genealogy: "until the 17th century the term 'curate' was often synonymous with 'incumbent', but latterly it was applied almost exclusively to an assistant parish priest, paid a salary or stipend and removable by the incumbent or bishop. A Perpetual Curate is one in charge of a parish church where the tithes have been impropriated and there is no endowed vicarage." The rector was "the owner of a parish benefice, who was also the recipient, until they were commuted, of the Great Tithes. He was responsible for the upkeep of the chancel of his church as his private portion of the building." Hope this helps. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Lance Kirkwood Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:46 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Men of religion Dear List, This is directed mainly at Mr. Paul Vivash if he is available, but another Lister may have an explanation. I’m just curious! St. George’s Hanover Square seems to be one of the most fashionable wedding venues for the gentry.....at least in fiction late 17-early-1800’s. One of my Devonalds married the daughter of the “Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monmouthshire and one of the curates of St. George’s Hanover Square”. This was shown in a newspaper cutting...it is not as if the rector could pop up the road and do both jobs simultaneously so what I would like to know is if it was a common practice to draw lesser clergy from various parts of the country to assist the incumbent at St. George’s...or were there special reasons for such men to be allocated these curate roles in London. I would have imagined the senior minister at such a major Church would have several curates, in residence, to help him. Did the incumbent attend to births, deaths and marriage...any pomp and circumstance..... and was the curate’s role more administrative? The Nicholas daughters appear to have married in various Counties so it apparently did not entitle him to preside over his children’s weddings at such an exalted location. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message